Stopped gaining, I need help getting more calories.

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04-27-2005, 05:10 PM
sooners04

Stopped gaining, I need help getting more calories.

I am 5'10 205 I am "ON" and have been for 9 weeks of 16. I have put on 12lbs so far but the last two have been 0 lbs gained. A typical pro/fat meal is min 50g pro closer to 60 and 25g of fat and 600 cals. I am worried about uping the cals since I would have to up the pro or fat and then I might go over my alloted pro and fat for the meal then everything goes to fat. Unless its safe to say that my body can handle more since I have put on weight. I eat 8 meals a day. Diet has been checked over and over in this forum so I am pretty confident its in check. Any ideas?
04-27-2005, 06:15 PM
dr.shred

I assume you are trying to bulk then, I would def increase the cals. Obv. you will have to increase the fat intake to compensate for the increase of calories. Adding something like another tbsp. of flax or some type other "good" fat will make up for the increase of calories. Add more quantity to your meals. What are percentages right now of protein/fat/carbs?
04-27-2005, 06:19 PM
sooners04

420g of pro/115 g fat/275g carbs don't know what percentages that come out to.
04-27-2005, 06:35 PM
dr.shred

whats the total cal and I will tell you.
04-27-2005, 06:40 PM
sooners04

Totaly cals approximately 4750
04-27-2005, 06:42 PM
ReX357

Quote:

Originally Posted by dr.shred

whats the total cal and I will tell you.

Why do you need the number of cals? :scratch:

Pro / Carb / Fat
420g / 275g /115g
51 % / 33% / 14%

No?
04-27-2005, 07:12 PM
niXon)(

you can always drink a shake with flax/PB when you wake up at night.

other then that up the quantity of your meals to compensate (sp) for needed calories.
04-27-2005, 07:14 PM
dr.shred

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReX357

Why do you need the number of cals? :scratch:

Pro / Carb / Fat
420g / 275g /115g
51 % / 33% / 14%

No?

no not right.

35% protein
23% carbs
22% fat....

theres your problem. Not enough protein, not nearly enough carbs, fat is ok.
04-27-2005, 08:06 PM
taiboxa

Quote:

Originally Posted by dr.shred

no not right.

35% protein
23% carbs
22% fat....

theres your problem. Not enough protein, not nearly enough carbs, fat is ok.

amen i personally like 50%+ protein but thats just me
04-27-2005, 09:13 PM
ReX357

Quote:

Originally Posted by dr.shred

no not right.

35% protein
23% carbs
22% fat....

theres your problem. Not enough protein, not nearly enough carbs, fat is ok.

If you add these percentage together you get 80%. What is the other 20%?

Also, could you tell me how you determined these percentages? (The equation)
04-28-2005, 01:35 PM
dr.shred

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReX357

If you add these percentage together you get 80%. What is the other 20%?

Also, could you tell me how you determined these percentages? (The equation)

bro, you need to get ur s*it straight. adding them together means nothing.

fat= total x 9/total cal
carbs=total x 4/total cal
pro=totalx4/total cal
04-28-2005, 02:02 PM
AandF6969

Quote:

Originally Posted by dr.shred

Not enough protein, not nearly enough carbs, fat is ok.

420g isnt enough protein?

I agree, the carb count is low... you should be getting 100g just from your PWO shake!

When I am bulking and I tell people I'm on a diet, they get confused. Bulking diets for me mean a MINIMUM not a MAXIMUM macronutrient/calorie level for each meal. Anything over my minimum is just icing on the cake. :wg:
04-28-2005, 05:10 PM
sooners04

I do get 100 from my PWO then about another 100 from my PPWO and 75 for breakfast. Where else can I incorporate carbs? I have been thinking another pro/carb as my 2PPWO meal.
04-28-2005, 05:24 PM
dr.shred

i would shoot for a 40%p/40%c/20% fat split.
04-28-2005, 05:52 PM
sooners04

1 more carb meal should get me close then.
04-28-2005, 08:56 PM
ReX357

Quote:

Originally Posted by dr.shred

bro, you need to get ur s*it straight. adding them together means nothing.

fat= total x 9/total cal
carbs=total x 4/total cal
pro=totalx4/total cal

Is there like a name for this equation? (Relation)

Do you have a link where I could read more about that? I didn't know you calculated percentages like that... This means I got a bunch of **** wrong.
04-29-2005, 06:44 AM
dr.shred

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReX357

Is there like a name for this equation? (Relation)

Do you have a link where I could read more about that? I didn't know you calculated percentages like that... This means I got a bunch of **** wrong.

not sure....I learned from a bber I know so I assumed that was the right way to do it.

-SHRED
04-29-2005, 09:01 AM
Ironman5151

sooner: I'm pretty much in the same boat as you too. Was interesting to read your post. Guess I'm going to up my calories and protein as well....
04-29-2005, 10:40 AM
SplinterCell

Quote:

Originally Posted by dr.shred

bro, you need to get ur s*it straight. adding them together means nothing.

fat= total x 9/total cal
carbs=total x 4/total cal
pro=totalx4/total cal

Are you sure? There does seem to be a missing %20 percentage. A percent is a ratio of a number to 100 so Rexx was correct in inferring wat was wrong.
04-29-2005, 02:19 PM
dr.shred

I am 100% positive its right. I will find out tonight what the whole logic behind it is and where it comes from.
04-29-2005, 02:56 PM
ReX357

I think the logic behind your equations is flawed dr. I'm backing up my claim with this:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/south9.htm

Read the part:

Macronutrient Cycle
As Percentage Of Daily Caloric Intake

Reverse the equations and I'm right... Sorry.
04-29-2005, 07:44 PM
dr.shred

where do you see this because I don't. Bro post some pics and we'll see how right you are.
04-29-2005, 07:55 PM
dr.shred

o d*nm nevermind I saw the pics I'd say your diet looks like its flawed.
04-30-2005, 01:07 AM
ReX357

Quote:

Originally Posted by dr.shred

o d*nm nevermind I saw the pics I'd say your diet looks like its flawed.

What does it have to do with anything? I have been training for 8 months. You should see me when I started. I'm only trying to discuss about the logic behind the equation you use. You don't need to flame me. I posted a link with the title you should search for in the document. Under that title, there's a table with macronutrients daily percentages. In their chart, 100% is divided between the proteins, the carbs and the fats every day. Which leads me to the conclusion that the percentages you use are flawed compared to this table since they don't totalize 100%. This is what I think. Instead of asking about my physique, you should rather prove me wrong with an explanation.

Peace
04-30-2005, 01:14 AM
AandF6969

Quote:

Originally Posted by dr.shred

o d*nm nevermind I saw the pics I'd say your diet looks like its flawed.

Not cool man.
04-30-2005, 02:28 AM
sooners04

So have we determined who is right with MY percentages. Shred those percentages are based on my total calories right? So if 80% of my calories come from fat/pro/carbs. There is still 20% of my calories not accounted for.
04-30-2005, 02:38 AM
AandF6969

Quote:

Originally Posted by sooners04

420g of pro/115 g fat/275g carbs don't know what percentages that come out to.

420gX4=1680 Calories from protein

275gX4=1100 Calories from carbohydrates

115gX9=1035 Calories from fats

1680+1100+1035=3815 total calories

1680/3815=44% from protein
1100/3815=29% from carbohydrates
1035/3815=27% from fats

is it really that hard guys?
04-30-2005, 02:55 AM
sooners04

Okay, that makes sense, although I thought my cals would be higher. So back to my original question. How do I bump the cals without going over my limits on pro/fat/carbs and just wasting them to fat. I am going to try substituting a pro/fat meal after my PPWO with a pro/carb. So I have three pro/carbs in a row, PWO,PPWO and PPPWO.
04-30-2005, 03:08 AM
AandF6969

You should post up your entire daily diet with times and stuff like that so we can get a clearer picture.
04-30-2005, 03:16 AM
sooners04

I'll find it, its been posted a few times.
04-30-2005, 03:20 AM
sooners04

Here it is.
1:30pm
2 scoops whey
1 cup oatmeal

3:30pm PWO
2 scoops whey
1/2 cup dextrose

5:00pm PPWO
8oz chicken breast
1 cup brown rice

7:30pm-Only on work days since this is my only option.
3 scoops whey
2tbsp flax

10:00pm
2 93% FF hamburgers
1 can green beans
1 tbsp mayo/mustard
1 tbsp ranch
1/2 cup 1% cottage cheese

1:00am
Large can of Ham or can of chicken 50g pro either way
1 Tbsp mayo
1tbsp ranch
Mustard

3:00am
8oz chicken breast
2 turkey sausages
2 tbsp natty PB

6:00am BEDTIME
3 scoops whey
2 tbsp flax

On non-work days I will eat a big top sirloin steak with green beans and melted mozzarella cheese on the beans and bacos.
04-30-2005, 06:21 AM
dr.shred

Quote:

Originally Posted by AandF6969

420gX4=1680 Calories from protein

275gX4=1100 Calories from carbohydrates

115gX9=1035 Calories from fats

1680+1100+1035=3815 total calories

1680/3815=44% from protein
1100/3815=29% from carbohydrates
1035/3815=27% from fats

is it really that hard guys?

thats the formula I was thaught although I divided by the total calories sooners gave me.
04-30-2005, 06:34 AM
dr.shred

if he had given me the right number of calories in the first place that wasn't off by 1000 then the numbers would of came out right.
04-30-2005, 04:58 PM
sooners04

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReX357

Why do you need the number of cals? :scratch:

Pro / Carb / Fat
420g / 275g /115g
51 % / 33% / 14%

No?

So you really didn't need the number of cals.
04-30-2005, 05:28 PM
taiboxa

Quote:

Originally Posted by sooners04

So you really didn't need the number of cals.

yeah u do because fats are 9 cal per gram thus they are 2.1x greater per gram
05-01-2005, 04:43 AM
sooners04

Screw it, I am confused now. I will just add more protein to my diet and a pro/carb PPPWO.
05-01-2005, 09:35 AM
dr.shred

bro seriously pump up the carbs and you will gain. I had the same problem.
05-01-2005, 04:51 PM
sooners04

Will do thanks bro.

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