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    New cutting diet - Any good?

    I am gonna start on a new cutting diet, with all the carbs in the first 2 meals.

    Non-training days has lesser calorie intake.

    My stats: 240lbs/110kg - 190cm tall. Wanna cut down to 220lbs/100kg


    Intake:
    2600Kcal at training days
    2000Kcal at non training days

    300g protein - chicken, fish, shakes
    250g carbs - cereal, greens, fruit
    55g fat - fish oil, and nuts(almond, hazelnut, peanut)

    I am concerned about my fat sources... Is it right to get 50% from nuts?

    here is the plan:

    Meal 1: 9am
    40g cereal (kellogs all bran)
    2dl (200g) skimmed milk
    30g protein in 3dl skimmed milk
    Total: (kcals-p/c/f) 408- 47/50/1,5

    Training 10am to 11.30-12pm

    PWO: 12pm
    60g carbs
    60g whey protein in 3dl skimmed milk
    total: 630 - 70/75/5

    Meal 2: 13pm
    350g Apples/oranges/pears
    40g protein in 3dl skimmed milk
    Total: 400- 46/49/1

    Meal 3: 16pm
    200g chicken
    100g green pepper
    150g cucumber
    50g onion
    1 tablespoon fish oil
    Total: 400 - 45/15/17

    Meal 4: 19pm
    200g chicken
    100g green pepper
    150g cucumber
    50g onion
    21g nuts (almonds/hazelnuts/peanuts)
    Total: 400 - 50/17/16

    Meal 5: 22pm
    40g casein in 3dl skimmed milk
    20g walnuts
    Total: 380 - 48/16/14
    Last edited by The Natural; 05-08-2005 at 03:21 PM.

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    are those first two meals pwo and ppwo?

    I think that is way too big of a drop for someone that weighs 240.

    post your whole diet up, times, etc.

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    On non-training days I'll drop the past workout meal, that consists of a carb and protein shake. its about 600kcals

    I'll eat every 3rd hour, the first to consists of 50g carbs and 45g protein

    the last three of 50g protein and 17g fat.

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    Bump!

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    Quote Originally Posted by niXon)(

    post your whole diet up, times, etc.


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    I tlooks like he doesn't have an actual plan, looks more like a halfass guideline.

    I tried that before. It doesn't work out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alphaman
    I tlooks like he doesn't have an actual plan, looks more like a halfass guideline.

    I tried that before. It doesn't work out.
    nonono... its the guidelines for the plan... here is the plan:

    Meal 1: 9am
    40g cereal (kellogs all bran)
    2dl (200g) skimmed milk
    30g protein in 3dl skimmed milk
    Total: (kcals-p/c/f) 408- 47/50/1,5

    Training 10am to 11.30-12pm

    PWO: 12pm
    60g carbs
    60g whey protein in 3dl skimmed milk
    total: 630 - 70/75/5

    Meal 2: 13pm
    350g Apples/oranges/pears
    40g protein in 3dl skimmed milk
    Total: 400- 46/49/1

    Meal 3: 16pm
    200g chicken
    100g green pepper
    150g cucumber
    50g onion
    1 tablespoon fish oil
    Total: 400 - 45/15/17

    Meal 4: 19pm
    200g chicken
    100g green pepper
    150g cucumber
    50g onion
    21g nuts (almonds/hazelnuts/peanuts)
    Total: 400 - 50/17/16

    Meal 5: 22pm
    40g casein in 3dl skimmed milk
    20g walnuts
    Total: 380 - 48/16/14

    This is it!

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    if that sort of diet works for you go for it. i don't think its an actually good diet for a bodybuilder, have lots of milk, too little calories, NO quality carbs, and last 3 meals you're mixing a good deal of carbs and fats.

    anyone else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Natural
    nonono... its the guidelines for the plan... here is the plan:

    Meal 1: 9am
    40g cereal (kellogs all bran)
    2dl (200g) skimmed milk
    30g protein in 3dl skimmed milk
    Total: (kcals-p/c/f) 408- 47/50/1,5

    Training 10am to 11.30-12pm

    PWO: 12pm
    60g carbs
    60g whey protein in 3dl skimmed milk
    total: 630 - 70/75/5

    Meal 2: 13pm
    350g Apples/oranges/pears
    40g protein in 3dl skimmed milk
    Total: 400- 46/49/1

    Meal 3: 16pm
    200g chicken
    100g green pepper
    150g cucumber
    50g onion
    1 tablespoon fish oil
    Total: 400 - 45/15/17

    Meal 4: 19pm
    200g chicken
    100g green pepper
    150g cucumber
    50g onion
    21g nuts (almonds/hazelnuts/peanuts)
    Total: 400 - 50/17/16

    Meal 5: 22pm
    40g casein in 3dl skimmed milk
    20g walnuts
    Total: 380 - 48/16/14

    This is it!

    Crapola. Too many mistakes to help critique. Mainly not enough whole food protein, you're mixixng carbs and fats, only like 2700 calories, and last but not least 14 (deciliters?) of milk?? Milk has no business in a cutting diet.

    Read the cutting stickies and start over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alphaman
    you're mixixng carbs and fats
    Huh? Actually, I'm not... my protein meals has all the fat with them...

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    Quote Originally Posted by niXon)(
    if that sort of diet works for you go for it. i don't think its an actually good diet for a bodybuilder, have lots of milk, too little calories, NO quality carbs, and last 3 meals you're mixing a good deal of carbs and fats.

    anyone else?
    My last three meals has veggies in it, I thought it was OK with some in the end. And I am actually a semi-vegitarian... so I dont like chicken, but force myself to eat it! Thats why I use so many shakes... my only saviour!

    But... I'll throw in some chickens, and drop the milk. Plus drop the veggies at the 3 last ones aswell...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Natural
    Huh? Actually, I'm not... my protein meals has all the fat with them...

    My bad..... Didn't see that it was skim milk. Good idea dropping the milk, because even though it's fat free, it's basically sugarwater.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Natural
    nonono... its the guidelines for the plan... here is the plan:

    Meal 1: 9am
    40g cereal (kellogs all bran)
    2dl (200g) skimmed milk
    30g protein in 3dl skimmed milk
    Total: (kcals-p/c/f) 408- 47/50/1,5
    DROP THE MILK

    Training 10am to 11.30-12pm

    PWO: 12pm
    60g carbs
    60g whey protein in 3dl skimmed milk
    total: 630 - 70/75/5
    DROP THE MILK

    Meal 2: 13pm
    350g Apples/oranges/pears
    40g protein in 3dl skimmed milk
    Total: 400- 46/49/1
    DROP THE MILK


    Meal 3: 16pm
    200g chicken
    100g green pepper
    150g cucumber
    50g onion
    1 tablespoon fish oil
    Total: 400 - 45/15/17
    OK

    Meal 4: 19pm
    200g chicken
    100g green pepper
    150g cucumber
    50g onion
    21g nuts (almonds/hazelnuts/peanuts)
    Total: 400 - 50/17/16
    OK


    Meal 5: 22pm
    40g casein in 3dl skimmed milk
    20g walnuts
    Total: 380 - 48/16/14
    DROP THE MILK


    This is it!
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    Last edited by bor; 05-09-2005 at 09:48 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bor
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    What about PWO and PPWO?
    You just told him to do a pro/fat meal for PPWO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alphaman
    You just told him to do a pro/fat meal for PPWO.
    Oh duh stupid , I didn't see it said training, I'll edit it

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Natural
    My last three meals has veggies in it, I thought it was OK with some in the end. And I am actually a semi-vegitarian... so I dont like chicken, but force myself to eat it! Thats why I use so many shakes... my only saviour!

    But... I'll throw in some chickens, and drop the milk. Plus drop the veggies at the 3 last ones aswell...

    you thought it was ok to have some in the end, wtf? is that a question? you can put veggies anywhere but pwo and pwo. stil have no qualitly carbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niXon)(
    you thought it was ok to have some in the end, wtf? is that a question? you can put veggies anywhere but pwo and pwo. stil have no qualitly carbs.
    End of the day!!!

    BTW! Quality carbs? What about the veggies, all bran, fruit???
    Isnt that quality?

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    no. fruit =fructose=sugar

    allbran = milk = sugar

    oats=low gi=good

    it is ok to have veggies @ end of day who said it wasn't? just don't have them in ppwo.

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