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    dex while cutting

    I am really trying to get super strict with my diet like I was preparing for a show. My question is is that I have dex/pro after my first strength lift in morning 40dex/20p and at night after my hypertrophy lift 75dex/35/p, I was wondering if I should cut one out?

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    I'd never do dex/pro twice in one day myself, but that's just me.

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    thanks SC.

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    explain how the split in str/hyper works thats new one on me... and due to nutritional aspects it might be more beneficial to some how consolidate the 2 into a hybrid type of workout... meh just a thought.

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    I'm interested in that too

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    strength in the morning two lifts high sets low reps 3min rest for ex. front squat 7x4 and semi stiff leg deadlift 7x4 3 min rest between sets. 4-5 hours later second lift. Hamstrings/quads/calves 1 min rest rep range 8-15 rest. Each lift takes about 45 min. This routine is awesome for strength. It is the eastern bodybuilding routine. I perform no cardio. Its a 5 day workout day off in between legs and back. For me i get leaner/stronger/bigger with high sets low reps because I am very fast twict. Last year I got 7% from 12 with no cardio and maintained weight of 190 doing Westside Barbell Routine. Almost no hypertrophy.

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    i grow off high rep and i know this all too well
    otherwise i would go all out on this scheme.

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    ya everyone is different. What works for me might not work for you, but thats why I've been doing this new routine so I kinda get the best of both worlds.

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    dr.shred can you plz point me to any site that explains that way of workingout? Sounds interesting.

    For me i get leaner/stronger/bigger with high sets low reps because I am very fast twict. Last year I got 7% from 12 with no cardio and maintained weight of 190 doing Westside Barbell Routine. Almost no hypertrophy.
    Do you mean you grew or did not grew from westside?

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    Quote Originally Posted by johan
    dr.shred can you plz point me to any site that explains that way of workingout? Sounds interesting.



    Do you mean you grew or did not grew from westside?
    dropped bf while staying the same weight so I gained lbm. There is a sample program somewhere on here.

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    is this the thread?

    http://forums.anabolicreview.com/showthread.php?t=62277

    i'm interested as well

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    is a .25 cup brown rice suffiecient for mt pwo2?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klossus
    is this the thread?

    http://forums.anabolicreview.com/showthread.php?t=62277

    i'm interested as well
    no thats not it, here is a typical program which is hard to do in most gyms because of lack of equipment it requires.

    Week 1

    Day 1 (max effort squat day)
    Good Mornings: warm up doing sets of three reps until you feel that you can no longer perform three reps. At this point drop the reps to one and continuing working up to a one rep max.
    Glute Ham Raises: 3 sets of 10 reps. Stress the eccentric, try to get a four count on they way down.
    Reverse Hypers: 3 sets of 8 reps using the small strap
    Pull Down Abs: 5 sets of 10 to 15 reps
    Straight Leg Raises: 5 sets of 15 reps

    Day 2 (max effort bench day)
    Board Press: warm up doing sets of three reps until you feel that you can no longer perform three reps. At this point drop the reps to one and continuing working up to a one rep max.
    Lying Barbell tricep extensions: 6 sets of 10 reps
    Push Downs: 3 sets of 10
    One Arm Press: 3 sets of 15

    Day 3 (dynamic effort squat day)
    Box Squats: 10 sets of 2 reps with 50% of 1RM (45 to 60 sec rest between sets)
    Reverse Hypers: 3 sets of 8 reps using the small strap
    One Leg Squats: 4 sets of 10 with each leg
    Dumbbell Rows: 4 sets of 6 reps
    Barbell Shrugs: 3 sets of 15 reps

    Day 4 (dynamic effort bench day)
    Bench Press: 10 sets of 3 reps with 60% of 1RM; use three different grips; (45 to 60 sec rest between sets)
    Lying Dumbbell Tricep Extensions: 4 sets of 8 reps
    Dumbbell Side Raises: 3 sets of 10 reps
    Bent Over Dumbbell Side Raises: 3 sets of 10 rep


    Week 2

    Day 1 (max effort squat day)
    Good Mornings: warm up doing sets of three reps until you feel that you can no longer perform three reps. At this point drop the reps to one and continuing working up to a one rep max
    Glute Ham Raises: 3 sets of 8 reps. Stress the eccentric, try to get a four count on they way down.
    Reverse Hypers : 3 sets of 8 reps using the small strap
    Pull Down Abs: 5 sets of 10 to 15 reps
    Straight Leg Raises: 3 sets of 20 reps

    Day 2 (max effort bench day)
    Board Press: warm up doing sets of three reps until you feel that you can no longer perform three reps. At this point drop the reps to one and continuing working up to a one rep max
    Lying Barbell Tricep Extensions: 6 sets of 10 reps
    Push Downs: 3 sets of 10
    One Arm Press: 3 sets of 15

    Day 3 (dynamic effort squat day)
    Box Squats: 10 sets of 2 reps with 54 % of 1RM; (45 to 60 sec rest between sets)
    Reverse Hypers: 3 sets of 8 reps using the small strap
    One Leg Squats: 4 sets of 10 with each leg
    Dumbbell Rows: 4 sets of 6 reps
    Barbell Shrugs: 3 sets of 15 reps

    Day 4 (dynamic effort bench day)
    Bench Press: 10 sets of 3 reps with 60% of 1RM; use three different grips ; (45 to 60 sec rest between sets)
    Lying Dumbbell Tricep Extensions: 4 sets of 8 reps
    Dumbbell Side Raises: 3 sets of 10 reps
    Bent Over Dumbbell Side Raises: 3 sets of 10 reps


    Week 3

    Day 1 (max effort squat day)
    Good Mornings: warm up doing sets of three reps until you feel that you can no longer perform three reps. At this point drop the reps to one and continuing working up to a one rep max
    Glute Ham Raises: 3 sets of 8 reps using the small strap
    Reverse Hypers : 3 sets of 8 reps using the small strap
    Pull Down Abs: 5 sets of 10 to 15 reps
    Straight Leg Raises: 3 sets of 20 reps

    Day 2 (max effort bench day)
    Board Press: warm up doing sets of three reps until you feel that you can no longer perform three reps. At this point drop the reps to one and continuing working up to a one rep max
    Lying Barbell Tricep Extensions: 6 sets of 10 reps
    Push Downs: 3 sets of 10
    One Arm Press: 3 sets of 15

    Day 3 (dynamic effort squat day)
    Box Squats: 10 sets of 2 reps with 56 % of 1RM ; (45 to 60 sec rest between sets)
    Reverse Hypers: 3 sets of 8 reps using the small strap
    One Leg Squats: 4 sets of 10 with each leg
    Dumbbell Rows: 4 sets of 6 reps
    Barbell Shrugs: 3 sets of 15 reps

    Day 4 (dynamic effort bench day)
    Bench Press: 10 sets of 3 reps with 60% of 1RM; use three different grips ; (45 to 60 sec rest between sets)
    Lying Dumbbell Tricep Extensions: 4 sets of 8 reps
    Dumbbell Side Raises: 3 sets of 10 reps
    Bent Over Dumbbell Side Raises: 3 sets of 10 reps


    Week 4

    Day 1 (max effort squat day)
    Low Box Squat: warm up doing sets of three reps until you feel that you can no longer perform three reps. At this point drop the reps to one and continuing working up to a one rep max
    Glute Ham Raise: 5 sets of 5 reps
    Partial Deadlifts: 3 sets of 20 reps
    Reverse Hypers: 3 sets of 8 reps using the small strap
    Pull Down Abs: 5 sets of 10 to 15 reps

    Day 2 (max effort bench day)
    Floor Press: warm up doing sets of three reps until you feel that you can no longer perform three reps. At this point drop the reps to one and continuing working up to a one rep max
    JM Press: work up to 2 sets of 3 reps
    Incline Dumbbell Press: 2 sets of 10
    Seated dumbbell Cleans: 4 sets of 8
    Straight Leg Raises: 5 sets of 15

    Day3 (dynamic effort squat day)
    Box Squats: 10 sets of 2 reps with 60 % of 1RM ; (45 to 60 sec rest between sets)
    * after your sets of box squats work up to a heavy double. This is not a maximum attempt so do not miss the attempts.
    Reverse Hypers: 5 sets of 8 reps
    Chest supported Rows: 4 sets of 8 reps
    Glute Ham Raise: 3 sets of 6 reps
    Pull Down Abs: 5 sets of 10 reps

    Day 4 (dynamic effort bench day)
    Bench Press: 10 sets of 3 reps with 60% of 1RM; use three different grips ; (45 to 60 sec rest between sets)
    Close Grip Bench Press: work up to 2 sets of 3
    One Arm Dumbbell Extensions: 3 sets of 10
    Front Plate Raises: 3 sets of 10 reps


    Week 5

    Day 1 (max effort squat day)
    Low Box Squat: warm up doing sets of three reps until you feel that you can no longer perform three reps. At this point drop the reps to one and continuing working up to a one rep max
    Glute Ham Raise: 5 sets of 5 reps
    Partial Deadlifts: 3 sets of 20 reps
    Reverse Hypers: 3 sets of 8 reps using the small strap
    Pull Down Abs: 5 sets of 10 to 15 reps

    Day 2 (max effort bench day)
    Floor Press: warm up doing sets of three reps until you feel that you can no longer perform three reps. At this point drop the reps to one and continuing working up to a one rep max
    JM Press: work up to 2 sets of 3 reps
    Incline Dumbbell Press: 2 sets of 10
    Seated Dumbbell Cleans: 4 sets of 8
    Straight Leg Raises: 5 sets of 15

    Day 3 (dynamic effort squat day)
    Box Squats: 10 sets of 2 reps with 50% of 1RM ; (45 to 60 sec rest between sets)
    Reverse Hypers: 5 sets of 8 reps
    Chest supported Rows: 4 sets of 8 reps
    Glute Ham Raise: 3 sets of 6 reps
    Pull Down Abs: 5 sets of 10 reps

    Day 4 (dynamic effort bench day)
    Bench Press: 10 sets of 3 reps with 60% of 1RM; use three different grips ; (45 to 60 sec rest between sets)
    * after your sets of box squats work up to a heavy single. This is not a maximum attempt so do not miss the attempts.
    Close Grip Bench Press: work up to 2 sets of 3
    One Arm Dumbbell Extensions: 3 sets of 10
    Front Plate Raises: 3 sets of 10 reps



    Week 6


    Day 1 (max effort squat day)
    Low Box Squat: warm up doing sets of three reps until you feel that you can no longer perform three reps. At this point drop the reps to one and continuing working up to a one rep max
    Glute Ham Raise: 5 sets of 5 reps
    Partial Deadlifts: 3 sets of 20 reps
    Reverse Hypers: 3 sets of 8 reps using the small strap
    Pull Down Abs: 5 sets of 10 to 15 reps

    Day 2 (max effort bench day)
    Floor Press: warm up doing sets of three reps until you feel that you can no longer perform three reps. At this point drop the reps to one and continuing working up to a one rep max
    JM Press: work up to 2 sets of 3 reps
    Incline Dumbbell Press: 2 sets of 10
    Seated dumbbell Cleans: 4 sets of 8
    Straight Leg Raises: 5 sets of 15

    Day 3 (dynamic effort squat day)
    Box Squats: 10 sets of 2 reps with 52 % of 1RM ; (45 to 60 sec rest between sets)
    Reverse Hypers: 5 sets of 8 reps
    Chest supported Rows: 4 sets of 8 reps
    Glute Ham Raise: 3 sets of 6 reps
    Pull Down Abs: 5 sets of 10 reps

    Day 4 (dynamic effort bench day)
    Bench Press: 10 sets of 3 reps with 60% of 1RM; use three different grips ; (45 to 60 sec rest between sets)
    Close Grip Bench Press: work up to 2 sets of 3
    One Arm Dumbbell Extensions: 3 sets of 10
    Front Plate Raises: 3 sets of 10 reps


    Week 7

    Day 1 (max effort squat day)
    Good Morning Squats: warm up doing sets of three reps until you feel that you can no longer perform three reps. At this point drop the reps to one and continuing working up to a one rep max
    Glute Ham Raise: 5 sets of 5 reps
    Lunges: 4 sets of 10 reps (each leg)
    Reverse Hypers: 3 sets of 8 reps using the small strap
    Pull Down Abs: 5 sets of 10 to 15 reps

    Day 2 (max effort bench day)
    Ball Press: 3 sets of 20 reps (avg. rest period = 5 min)
    Seated dumbbell Shoulder Press: 5 sets 10 reps
    Incline Barbell Tricep Extensions: 5 sets 6 reps
    face Pulls: 5 sets 15 reps

    Day 3 (dynamic effort squat day)
    Box Squats: 10 sets of 2 reps with 54 % of 1RM ; (45 to 60 sec rest between sets)
    * after your sets of box squats work up to a heavy double. This is not a maximum attempt so do not miss the attempts.
    Reverse Hypers: 4 sets 8 reps
    Pull Downs: 3 sets 8 reps
    Glute Ham Raise: 4 sets 15 reps

    Day 4 (dynamic effort bench day)
    Bench Press: 10 sets of 3 reps with 60% of 1RM; use three different grips ; (45 to 60 sec rest between sets)
    * after your sets of box squats work up to a heavy single. This is not a maximum attempt so do not miss the attempts.
    Dumbbell Tricep Extensions: 4 sets of 6 reps
    Reverse Grip Push Downs: 3 sets of 15 reps
    Front - Side - Rear Delt Combo Raise: 2 sets of 60 reps (20 each raise)
    Pull Down Abs: 5 sets 10 reps






    Week 8

    Day 1 (max effort squat day)
    Good Morning Squats: warm up doing sets of three reps until you feel that you can no longer perform three reps. At this point drop the reps to one and continuing working up to a one rep max
    Glute Ham Raise: 5 sets of 5 reps
    Lunges: 4 sets of 10 reps (each leg)
    Reverse Hypers: 3 sets of 8 reps using the small strap
    Pull Down Abs: 5 sets of 10 to 15 reps


    Day 2 (max effort bench day)
    Ball Press: 3 sets of 20 reps (avg. rest period = 5 min)
    Seated dumbbell Shoulder Press: 5 sets 10 reps
    Incline Barbell Tricep Extensions: 5 sets 6 reps
    face Pulls: 5 sets 15 reps

    Day 3 (dynamic effort squat day)
    Box Squats: 10 sets of 2 reps with 62 % of 1RM ; (45 to 60 sec rest between sets)
    Reverse Hypers: 4 sets 8 reps
    Pull Downs: 3 sets 8 reps
    Glute Ham Raise: 4 sets 15 reps


    Day 4 (dynamic effort bench day)
    Bench Press: 10 sets of 3 reps with 60% of 1RM; use three different grips ; (45 to 60 sec rest between sets)
    Dumbbell Tricep Extensions: 4 sets of 6 reps
    Reverse Grip Push Downs: 3 sets of 15 reps
    Front - Side - Rear Delt Combo Raise: 2 sets of 60 reps (20 each raise)
    Pull Down Abs: 5 sets 10 reps



    Week 9

    Day 1 (max day) near end of week
    Box Squat: work up to a 1 rep max
    Bench Press: work up to a 1 rep max

    * These maxes will be used as the 1RM for the next eight week cycle

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    Thanks a lot shred, great stuff

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klossus
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    Thanks a lot shred, great stuff
    no problem bro.

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    Many of those exercises can be replaced. I did that exact 9 week program(this is the 9 week sample program from elitefitnessystems right?) as my first run with westside and got good results even though I replaced alot of exercises

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    Quote Originally Posted by johan
    Many of those exercises can be replaced. I did that exact 9 week program(this is the 9 week sample program from elitefitnessystems right?) as my first run with westside and got good results even though I replaced alot of exercises
    yes that is true, however, you would gotten better gains using the exact program (I have down both and there is a noticeable difference not doing glute ham raises and revers hypers)

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    Quote Originally Posted by dr.shred
    yes that is true, however, you would gotten better gains using the exact program (I have down both and there is a noticeable difference not doing glute ham raises and revers hypers)

    Did you ever try glute hams without a glute ham bench? With just a guy holding down your ankles??
    Or pullthroughs instead of reverse hypers?

    Unfortunaly I have never had a glute ham bench or reverse hyper aviable I wonder how much more I would have gained with those 2 pieces of equipment

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    Yes I have tried both. Having someone hold your ankles does not work well and you cannot use weight. I would bet your gains would be substantially greater with those two pieces of equipment.

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    I have never even heard of a gym in sweden with a reverse hyper. Westside isnt big here either.
    I guess I need to think of some way to rig upp my own gluteham.

    Do you train like a powerlifter most of the time??

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    Quote Originally Posted by johan
    I have never even heard of a gym in sweden with a reverse hyper. Westside isnt big here either.
    I guess I need to think of some way to rig upp my own gluteham.

    Do you train like a powerlifter most of the time??
    Pretty Much. I've tried just about everything you can think and training for strength seems to get me leaner, stronger, and bigger than anything else.

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    Same with me. Only bodybuilding routine I feel can compere with westside is doggcrapp. Not to mention its damn fun to be strong and explosive lol.

    Right now Im experimenting with combining the 2 ways of workingout

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    Quote Originally Posted by johan
    Same with me. Only bodybuilding routine I feel can compere with westside is doggcrapp. Not to mention its damn fun to be strong and explosive lol.

    Right now Im experimenting with combining the 2 ways of workingout
    yes, that is what I am doing now. Doing strength training high sets low reps long rest in the 1st lifting session and more hypertrophy in the second. Each session is roughly 45 min and totally kills me each day.

    I have heard of dogg crap, but never actually seen one. Do you have one you could post?

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    Its to complex to just post a routine its a whole way of thinking.
    Il try to find a good link that describes it. A pretty long read but well worth it.

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    here it is

    Lets stir things up

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    thanks bro.

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