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06-16-2005, 12:06 PM #1
Shakes vs ''Proper'' food - any proof ?
Does anyone have any proof or an explanation / theory of why protein from shakes isn't as ''good'' (effective etc.) as ''proper'' food?
What if you eat some proper food (eg bran / fibre) with your shake - will that improve its' nutritional value?
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06-16-2005, 12:11 PM #2
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06-16-2005, 12:40 PM #3
Why do you assume shakes is not as good.
If considering amino acid profile whey shakes are far superior to meat and other protein soruces. The thing that would be the limiting factor if relying on shakes is other macro and micronutritients. fat, carbs, Minerals, vitamins, traceelements ect.
If the need for those is fulfilled in other ways and the rest of the diet is shakes Im betting it would mean better gains then a diet with "proper" food.
This is just my personal oppinion though.
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06-16-2005, 12:54 PM #4
Johan is right, my father has colon cancer and the doctor got him drinking whey protein shakes and flax oil, Whey is getting lots of attention right now and lots of research is being done for health.
I add stopped relying on supplements fro diet and well being but after all that research and medical studies i am back full time on whey protein and eggs and soy.
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06-16-2005, 01:04 PM #5Why do you assume shakes is not as good.
thanks for the great input iron freak - but it'd be nice to see what the bros on this board think rather than some sh!tty google sales pitch for joe bloggs shake..:-)
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06-16-2005, 01:23 PM #6Originally Posted by Duke of Earl
You said u wanted proof or an explanation / theory of why protein from shakes isn't as ''good'' (effective etc.) as ''proper'' food?
no1 here will provide u with that unless u expect them to search the entire net for u , which they probably wont , again all the responses (i mean no offense to the bros that u replied and u know that...) are not proven they didnt provide ne studies or links with their replies which is wut u asked for
use ur brain , if u have one. .......
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06-16-2005, 01:50 PM #7no1 here will provide u with that unless u expect them to search the entire net for u , which they probably wont , again all the responses
Have you ever tried doing a google on ''protein shake'' etc - you just get a pile of advertising crap.....hence me sayingsome sh!tty google sales pitch for joe bloggs shakeuse ur brain , if u have oneLast edited by Duke of Earl; 06-16-2005 at 01:55 PM.
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06-16-2005, 01:54 PM #8
I will bump upp a thread for you where I was asking kind of the same thing
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06-16-2005, 01:56 PM #9
here is the link
Another wierd idea(shake based diet)
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06-16-2005, 02:00 PM #10Originally Posted by Duke of Earl
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06-16-2005, 02:03 PM #11
how long have / did you try this for? results?
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06-16-2005, 02:04 PM #12
to nitpic he acctualy asked about a proof OR explanation/theory. My answere=theory
No need to be so harsh bro it was just a simple question from him
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06-16-2005, 02:06 PM #13Originally Posted by Duke of Earl
When I do Il make a post about results.
Dont forget veggies though bro. Make sure to eat fruits and veggies and you might want to supplement with creatine since that is found in meat mostly.
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06-16-2005, 02:13 PM #14Member
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The best proof you can get is the advice of people who have experienced the effects of both ways through trial and error. In my personal experience, my metabolism is cranked up WAY more by whole foods than shakes. Your digestive system has to work harder to process whole foods than liquid. You burn more calories, plus this process has a thermic effect on your body.
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06-16-2005, 02:15 PM #15I was just asking for people on this board for their opinions / any info they might havenope thats not wut u asked for......check ur 1st postDoes anyone have any proof or an explanation / theory of why protein from shakes isn't as ''good'' (effective etc.) as ''proper'' food?
and you're calling me a liar based on what evidence ?
anyhow I'm off to do a google search for ''asshole''.......oh wait - no need
now who's
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06-16-2005, 02:18 PM #16Originally Posted by yannick32
eh bro, you MAY wanna stay away from soy, as far as I know it produces or converts to or stimulates estrogen in men.
I heard that ... ANYONE?
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06-16-2005, 02:19 PM #17In my personal experience, my metabolism is cranked up WAY more by whole foods than shakes. Your digestive system has to work harder to process whole foods than liquid. You burn more calories, plus this process has a thermic effect on your body.
I figure that if you eat some fibre with the shake (eg bran, psyllium husk etc) then the body would still have to do a fair amount of work in moving / digesting the food mass ?
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06-16-2005, 02:19 PM #18Originally Posted by alphaman
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06-16-2005, 02:23 PM #19eh bro, you MAY wanna stay away from soy, as far as I know it produces or converts to or stimulates estrogen in men.
It also go both ways. Reliving the body of the stress of always digesting harsh foods can have positive health effects. Not to mention todays meat ect has so much s*it in it that going the shake way for a while would allow the body to "detox" a bit.Last edited by Duke of Earl; 06-16-2005 at 02:26 PM.
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06-16-2005, 02:26 PM #20Originally Posted by Duke of Earl
the phytoestrogens in soy has alot of health benifits. Might not be the optimal for bodybuilding(its shown to lower test and dht a bit). But imo its still a good choise if not ONLY thinking about fatloss. Its great for cholesterol, filled with fibers, plenty of good fats ect.
But when it comes to soy Im about the only one that thinks its good on this board lol I havent personaly noticed any bloat from it and I eat 1/4 to 1/2 pound a day of soybeans(dry weight).
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06-16-2005, 02:26 PM #21Member
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Originally Posted by johan
I hear you, but aren't we talking fat loss here? I noticed a huge difference for me. I've got quite a disgusting and embarrasing story to back up my theory as well. But I won't impose it on you. Let me know if you want to hear it.
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06-16-2005, 02:27 PM #22
I am semi fat as it is though so any possible bloat would not be noticed as easily on my body. I wish someone ultra ripped would give soy a try for 2-3 weeks and tell us what happens.
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06-16-2005, 02:30 PM #23Originally Posted by alphaman
Im not sure about metabolism. Protein is the macronutritient with the highest thermic effect(1/4 of the kcal in protein is burnt). Fat has almost zero thermic effect and carbs not much at all. When they calculated that I dont know if it made any difference from what source each nutritient came from.
But basing a diet on shakes would make it a bit easiet to keep protein very high and the other things very low. Offcourse cheap whey contains quite a bit of fat and carbs. Anywhere from 5-11%
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06-16-2005, 02:31 PM #24I've got quite a disgusting and embarrasing story to back up my theory as well. But I won't impose it on you. Let me know if you want to hear it.
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06-16-2005, 02:33 PM #25But basing a diet on shakes would make it a bit easiet to keep protein very high and the other things very low. Offcourse cheap whey contains quite a bit of fat and carbs. Anywhere from 5-11%
I suppose where I'm going with this is I'm sick of constantly preparing food - if I could sustitute a portion of my meals with a shake type meal thats easy to prepare (eg whey, oats & water in a shaker) then it would make getting my daily protein intake alot easier. ( & prolly cheaper too )Last edited by Duke of Earl; 06-16-2005 at 02:36 PM.
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06-16-2005, 02:36 PM #26
yeah. or well whole eggs is pretty cheap but to much fat. The cheapest tuna is also pretty cheap.
Only food soruce I can think of that is cheaper then semi low quality whey is soybeans. Its ridicilously cheap.
Having a diet consisting of eggs, soybeans, shakes and tuna would be a nice blend of cheap protein and still protein from a wide varity of sources while still getting everything that shakes alone is missing
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06-16-2005, 02:38 PM #27Originally Posted by IronFreakX
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06-16-2005, 02:38 PM #28The cheapest tuna is also pretty cheap.
I think I'm gonna try whey / oats for breakfast, then
whey + casein + bran during the day, then
casein + egg whites (ie slow release & no carbs) before bed
( along with a good multi vit & one or two ''proper'' meals a day )
I'll let you know how it goes ( or how long I last ! )
ps. no offence meant ironfreak - just playing
PeaceLast edited by Duke of Earl; 06-16-2005 at 02:46 PM.
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06-16-2005, 02:42 PM #29Originally Posted by Duke of Earl
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06-16-2005, 02:42 PM #30
here is a nice trick I have found. Mix the tuna down into ground beef before frying/coocking it. If you use maby 1/4-1/3 betwen beef and tuna you wont notice the tuna flavor.
Or when making a tuna sallad use alot of vinegar it kinds of neutralises the tuna taste
the last option is the famous tuna shake. I mix the tuna with cola light or any light lemonade with a strong taste, run it through a blender and chug it down. Takes a few seconds to down it and doesnt taste tuna at all
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06-16-2005, 02:43 PM #31Originally Posted by johan
thanks for the great input iron freak - but it'd be nice to see what the bros on this board think rather than some sh!tty google sales pitch for joe bloggs shake..:-)
no need for that crap
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06-16-2005, 02:44 PM #32Originally Posted by icewind
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06-16-2005, 02:45 PM #33
he didnt refer to you with the "shitty google sales pitc for joe bloggs shake" thing. He meant that the only thing he could find when doing a google serch was stuff like that so just a missunderstanding.
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06-16-2005, 02:47 PM #34
Anyway the flaming in this thread stops now. I might not be a mod but when a mod stumbles on this thread it might get locked and someone might get warned/temp banned if it continues. So no more shit!
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06-16-2005, 02:47 PM #35
Personally, i try to keep shakes to a minimum. Breakfast and PWO.... but with my protein powder its hard to resist as it's so yummy!
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06-16-2005, 02:47 PM #36so just a missunderstanding.
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06-16-2005, 02:48 PM #37but with my protein powder its hard to resist as it's so yummy!
Anyhow ironfreak - now were buddies again - whats your thoughts on the matter ?Last edited by Duke of Earl; 06-16-2005 at 02:54 PM.
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06-16-2005, 02:50 PM #38Member
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Okay- When I was on a diet that consisted of 4 whey/casien shakes a day (this happened twice), I was out drinking w/ my buddies from hs and we had our reg 2am Taco Bell pillaging.(I always get the same thing) These were friday nights, and I had to be at work on sat @ 9am. I'm a wus when it comes to hangovers, so I went to throw up in the morning on both these occasions, and I threw up just about everything that I had eaten at Taco Bell, just about totally undigested.
Then, I was on a diet that consisted of only one PWO shake/ day and two other seperate occasions, that the same events took place and there was nothing but dry heaves, nothing to puke up!
All of the conditions were the same. Same drinks (Bacardi and Diet Coke), same food, same times of consumption, same time of attempted regurgitation,same day of the week, same training/cardio, the only factors that were different were the time of year, and my diet. My fat reduction was also considerably more during the whole food diet. I think I just about slowed my metabolism to a halt w/ all those shakes.
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06-16-2005, 02:54 PM #39Member
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Originally Posted by johan
I gotta give it to ya, Johan! You come up with some ............interesting ways to eat things!
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06-16-2005, 02:54 PM #40
that sounds odd. Maby the lack of real food for a period made the body produce less digestive enzymes and that might explain why the food didnt get digested at all...Or maby general lack of fibers when doing lots of shakes.
Where you cutting?
It has happened to me when cutting on lots of shakes and not so much food that after cheat days I havent been able to digest the crap food properly. Once even making me puke.
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