Thread: strength & calorie defecit
06-19-2005, 02:11 PM #1
strength & calorie defecit
This seems like such an idiotic question, but...
Do you need to eat more calories to gain strength like you would if you were trying to get mass-- in other words, can you continue to make good strength gains while cutting?
Last edited by eyernvxxn; 06-19-2005 at 04:00 PM.
06-19-2005, 08:48 PM #2
that ussually doesnt happen so no.
06-19-2005, 08:51 PM #3
06-20-2005, 10:28 AM #4Originally Posted by eyernvxxn
I.E: im cutting rite now......have approx a 200 calorie deficit , do E cardio in the morning , and weights in the evening (make sure to have 3 meals between cardio and weights to preserve strength)
and im gaining strength , not losing it or keeping it
-eat enough protein
-dont get ur calories too low
-have enough carbs atkins now!!
-have 3 meals between cardio and weights
-sleep 8-9 hrs
-drink lotsa water
06-22-2005, 07:39 PM #5
I can also usually gain at least a little on a calorie defecit, basically I'm just whittling the diet down-- where I can gain at the most muscle while concentrating most on losing fat. And also for the future strength gaining only phrase I want to get more exact with the diet than I have been in the past...ohhh yeah, I got out the scale the other day Also while I was reading the bulking sticky I was thinking "theres no way I can eat that much food without getting FAT, do I really need to?"
what do you consider enough carbs, anyway?
btw I got rid of the Atkins thing, lol. I was starting to feel too shitty. Now I wonder how I ever did it...
Last edited by eyernvxxn; 06-22-2005 at 07:52 PM.
06-22-2005, 09:33 PM #6
theoretically your body only needs maybe 100cals above maintanence level to gain msucle, it's finding that very fine line between putting muscle on and keeping the fat gain to a minimum thats the hard part. but sticking to a very very very clean diet but slightly being in a positive caloric intake i htink would be your best bet.
06-23-2005, 03:37 AM #7Originally Posted by icewind
06-23-2005, 04:33 PM #8
BUMP FOR ICEwind....
06-23-2005, 04:39 PM #9
I think he means that if you are in a calorie deficit, and are losing weight and strength, _then_ you add steroids , you'll start gaining back some of that strength. The pros are on all the time, so when they cut the calories, they lose size and strength also.
To the original poster, whenever I start eating substantially less, I get noticeably weaker.
06-23-2005, 04:42 PM #10Originally Posted by clockworks
i just want him to explain a few point like why he hopes she is not using steroids..e.tc...
06-23-2005, 05:38 PM #11
I usualy gain strenght easily while cutting even on very low kcal. But Im juicing offcourse.
06-24-2005, 05:46 AM #12
Again...if you cut your calories...you will loose strength. These is simply no way you will lift the same amount of weight while dieting.
If you think otherwise, you haven't been in this business for long enough. No offense.
In the future stick to your knowledge bout M3's
06-24-2005, 06:10 AM #13
Typically, no. Getting stronger normally goes hand-in-hand with gaining more muscle, which isn't going to happen on a caloric deficit. However, I think there's an exception. I think you can get stronger simply by making the existing muscle fibers more efficient. I'm sure your existing level of conditioning would dictate the level of feasible improvement...
06-24-2005, 07:14 AM #14
i think u hit the bull's eye there co2boi...
Im not by any means huge or nething im bout 190 i lean out at 180 , 176..but my lifts are big.....and people say why arent u bigger ur lifting alot more than bigger guys.....so i guess thats it.....muscle &nerve effeciency....
06-24-2005, 07:34 AM #15
look at the lower weightclasses in olympic weight lifting. strong as hell but realy not that built
06-24-2005, 10:07 AM #16
I'm cutting right now... no drugs...low-calories...low-carbs...but adequate fats.
I'm stronger than i've ever been prior...even at this lighter bodyweight.
So i'd have to disagree... Strength gains can be made while on restricted calories.
The main factors in retaining my strength (and making gains), i'd have to say are:
1. adequate fat intake.
2. consistency: constantly attempting heavy weights even when you don't feel like
3. mental conditioning: positive reinforcement: I imagine each rep of each set prior to attempting the weight...I read about the technique and have been using it with success.
4. not overdoing cardio...just doing enough to get the results i want
06-24-2005, 10:11 AM #17
Those that've followed my career would know i'm not bullshitting.
For example. At the beginning of my contest prep this year...by deadlift max was 405...at a bodyweight of 198
This week i pulled 475 and i'm currently 189 lbs.
06-24-2005, 10:16 AM #18Originally Posted by Narkissos
Wtf man this is wut im doing exactly........
06-24-2005, 10:17 AM #19Originally Posted by Narkissos
06-24-2005, 10:20 AM #20
Currently 22...23 in september.
This is my 6th year competing in bodybuilding.
06-24-2005, 10:23 AM #21
yeah i saw ur pics u look gr8.....
i only had one local....strength when i was bout 16 hopefully i wanna do some more
18 natural deadlift is only 330 kinda low but its getting higher
where are you gonna be competing? do u ever do powerlifing comp?
06-24-2005, 10:42 AM #22Originally Posted by Narkissos
06-24-2005, 11:55 AM #23Originally Posted by IronFreakX
I'll be doing Nationals in my home country (Barbados) in August...and then hopefully Regionals in Aruba in October.
I never attempted powerlifting cus one of my major lifts sucks...my bench-press namely
My max squat and deads are both over 400...and my hang clean is over 200... but my max bench isn't worth jack.
Sorry to hijack the post btw
06-24-2005, 12:02 PM #24Originally Posted by johan
What exercises do you incorporate?
I'm doing hang cleans, clean & press, power cleans, deadlifts (i do these ye*****ound now).
I'm also modifying some movements to increase core strength:
Barbell press-behind-neck: starting position... hang-clean to overhead position
Legs: Front squat: starting with the bar in the dead lift position...power cleaned to shoulders...and then to a front squat.
I find these exercises/modifications have really upped my core strength..my musculature...and subsequently positively impacted my pet lifts (barbell squat/deadlift etc.)
again...sorry for hijacking this thread
06-24-2005, 12:04 PM #25
I ususaly follow westside powerlifting and do alot of wierd exercises. goodmornings, box squats, a wide variety of dealifts
for upper body I do these as heavy exercises close grip, decline, inclinde bench, floor press, reverse grip bench, dips and alot of others.
if your not familair with westside read a bit about it its fascinating stuff and very informative. When I started to read about it my whole idea of workouts was thrown out the window.
06-24-2005, 12:06 PM #26
btw interesting exercise variations. I would try them if I didnt have so bad form in cleans. No one to coach them to me either.
I used to do clean and press alot a couple of years ago though. Never got more then 100kg(220ibs)but they did wonders for my explositivity and shoulders.
06-24-2005, 04:23 PM #27Originally Posted by IronFreakX
06-25-2005, 02:12 AM #28
Yup saving it all in a big barrel for you................ a 1 person bukkae that im sure ull enjoy...than myabe u can drink the rest
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