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    Question LBM Gains: Dirty vs Clean Bulking

    Do you think that you put on the same amount of LBM in a dirty bulk as a clean bulk?

    Do you think you put on MORE LBM on a dirty bulk?

    Assume the protein intake in both is abuot the same maybe lil higher in the dirty bulk min of say 400g Pro

    cal range are 6-8k kCals Daily

    only thing that really changes are higher GI Foods, More Sat Fats, lil more calorie value, MORE GREASE!

    Discuss please

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    I no way do I think Dirty equals more LBM. If you are eating the same amount of cals, one dirty one clean. One should put on roughly close to the same LBM. I'd lean toward the clean bulk however since it will be clean, healthier and overall with less bas fats and lower gi carbs you would be in an anabolic state for longer periods of time.

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    Good topic, I've wondered this myself at times. clean bulk vs dirty bulk.....

    I prefer to just know that I'm eating healthy these days.

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    I just dont see why one would rather put on more excess fat than what is necessary.

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    i clean bulked last year 90% of the time and cheated the other 10% about every few weeks....i put on a lot of size and kept my body fat around 12%...if i kept it clean im sure i could have stayed around 10ish, but i liked being free to eat and drink whatever every now and again. I think that clean bulking should be used more often than dirty bulking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chest6
    I just dont see why one would rather put on more excess fat than what is necessary.
    when u need 5k kCals to grow... thats a BITCH TO EAT CLEAN so theres my ripost..

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    Quote Originally Posted by taiboxa
    when u need 5k kCals to grow... thats a BITCH TO EAT CLEAN so theres my ripost..
    true, but I can naturally put down an endless amount of food

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    Once you start a dirty bulk it's tough to stop and go back eating the same old boring foods again. For me I'd rather not tease myself. Better to just eat more of the good foods.

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    Once you start needing like 6 or 7,000 cals/day to further enhance yourself, eating clean can be tough at times. I dont see anything wrong w/ 4 or 5 cheat meals/wk, as long as your burning off alot in the gym and maybe even consider hitting cardio 3 days/wk or something. Also, it helps keep me sane, and it's good to get some of those foods in you crave while you can, b/ come diet time its all business here. As long as I'm floating under 14 or 15%, then I know 10-12 wks is enough time to get diced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stayinstacked
    Once you start needing like 6 or 7,000 cals/day to further enhance yourself, eating clean can be tough at times. I dont see anything wrong w/ 4 or 5 cheat meals/wk, as long as your burning off alot in the gym and maybe even consider hitting cardio 3 days/wk or something. Also, it helps keep me sane, and it's good to get some of those foods in you crave while you can, b/ come diet time its all business here. As long as I'm floating under 14 or 15%, then I know 10-12 wks is enough time to get diced.
    very true. When Im bulking Im going to leave more room for error. I never eat go out to eat w/ the fam anymore and they get pretty upset. Lately its become more of a hassle, today I packed tuna combined w mayo in a ziplock in my pocket and brought a fork and waited 45mins to eat it

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    the way i see it the only way u can gain exactly the same amount of muscle on a clean bulk as a dirtier (not totally dirty) bulk is to be VERY VERY disciplined. even then i dont know if i believe it can happen, this is coming from an ecto. a meso might be able to pull it off. its like that post about your upper body not being able to grow if your lower body is not being worked. your body will naturally try to stay proportional. i cant see my body gaining only muscle as fast as muscle AND fat to support it.

    im 6'3" and about 190 avg. 24 yrold and can burn fat like nobodys business, when i want to. lets say my goal is 210 solid. thats after i cut up a little. just a little, dont want to be too diced. i see myself eating everything in sight, getting to 215-220, dirty, then cutting down to 210 quicker than gaining only muscle to get to 210. does that make sense?

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    well it does depend on the individual. I am an meso/endo and if I dirty bulked without much cardio I would put on fat quickly. Sure, I would add a lot of LBM along the way but id rather not add that fat. All dependent on the person.

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    I'm the same way, I gain a lot if I eat everything in sight, but I will gain fat just as quickly as I will gain muscle, so I end up looking like crap. I'm giving a clean bulk a go for the first time this week, hopefully things will turn out well.

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    Im doin the same thing..I actually started today and I love it

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    just dont count cals........cont your protein, all else fair game! Quite easy and makes cutting 100x easier!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurz
    just dont count cals........cont your protein, all else fair game! Quite easy and makes cutting 100x easier!
    amen.. thats how i take it

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    Quote Originally Posted by taiboxa
    amen.. thats how i take it
    stats?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurz
    stats?
    i dunno right now.. bout 282.. (dropped 6lbs of water) @ 5'10.5!

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    Quote Originally Posted by taiboxa
    i dunno right now.. bout 282.. (dropped 6lbs of water) @ 5'10.5!
    bf%%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurz
    bf%%
    i got it done a week or so ago w/ both calipers and a waist/weight/height thingy and it was around 15%

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    DAMn....big ass boy and a decent bf.....what does your diet look like?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurz
    DAMn....big ass boy and a decent bf.....what does your diet look like?
    i have one big cheat meal EOD usually fast food lots of beef and chikn..

    mostly i live off eggs and oats for breakfast w/ whey shake

    lots of lactose free milk like 3 cups a day .. which is ALOT in my book LOL

    i eat da SHYT outta Whole Wheat Pasta and Chikn kuz its really good carbs and HELL OFA LOT BETTA than gay ass RICE ><

    oh yeah tons of porkchops w/ brown rice and pacante sauce

    i spend about 250+$ on food a week i need a SAMS CARD..

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    assuming you gain the same LBM. how much more fat do you think will be put on with the dirty bulk? when i bulk i seam to gain almost the same amount of fat clean or dirty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taiboxa
    i have one big cheat meal EOD usually fast food lots of beef and chikn..

    mostly i live off eggs and oats for breakfast w/ whey shake

    lots of lactose free milk like 3 cups a day .. which is ALOT in my book LOL

    i eat da SHYT outta Whole Wheat Pasta and Chikn kuz its really good carbs and HELL OFA LOT BETTA than gay ass RICE ><

    oh yeah tons of porkchops w/ brown rice and pacante sauce

    i spend about 250+$ on food a week i need a SAMS CARD..
    just made a shyt load of whole wheat pasta yesterday with chikn. i'll change up my sauces prob ed or eod. can't stand eating the same thing ed.

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    not this 2 cup serving, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by taiboxa
    when u need 5k kCals to grow... thats a BITCH TO EAT CLEAN so theres my ripost..
    Yea, thats me. True ectomorph, my body burns close to 3,500 calories a day with little physical stress on it. You can calculate your metabolic rate here.

    http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/berardi41.htm

    I am forced to load up on all sorts of food in order to grow. Feel free to flame but here is a sample days diet for me.

    meal 1
    2 egg
    weight gain shake with L-glutamine added
    multivitamin

    meal 2
    2 peanut butter sandwiches
    or
    2 tuna sandwhiches
    creatine

    meal 3
    3 lean hotdogs

    meal 4
    weight gain shake
    creatine

    meal x
    only sometimes, whatever I find in the fridge.

    meal 5
    meatloaf, veggies

    meal 6
    weight gain shake with L-glutamine added

    As you can see plenty of protein, carbs and fat, roughly 5,000+ calories a day. I dont have the time to eat a strict clean diet. My training routine is a split 3 nights in the gym with plenty of rest. Gained 11 lbs in 4 weeks so far

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    *puts on flame resistant suit.*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurz
    not this 2 cup serving, right?
    aye .. like 24oz's if ur talking about the milk.. im not sure wut u talking about but HEY

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    Quote Originally Posted by wonderboy10
    Yea, thats me. True ectomorph, my body burns close to 3,500 calories a day with little physical stress on it. You can calculate your metabolic rate here.

    http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/berardi41.htm

    I am forced to load up on all sorts of food in order to grow. Feel free to flame but here is a sample days diet for me.

    meal 1
    2 egg
    weight gain shake with L-glutamine added
    multivitamin

    meal 2
    2 peanut butter sandwiches
    or
    2 tuna sandwhiches
    creatine

    meal 3
    3 lean hotdogs

    meal 4
    weight gain shake
    creatine

    meal x
    only sometimes, whatever I find in the fridge.

    meal 5
    meatloaf, veggies

    meal 6
    weight gain shake with L-glutamine added

    As you can see plenty of protein, carbs and fat, roughly 5,000+ calories a day. I dont have the time to eat a strict clean diet. My training routine is a split 3 nights in the gym with plenty of rest. Gained 11 lbs in 4 weeks so far
    No offense bro but you need some help there i mean if its working THATS GREAT but IMO it needs some serious alterations.
    anyways GOOD LUCK

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    Quote Originally Posted by wonderboy10
    Yea, thats me. True ectomorph, my body burns close to 3,500 calories a day with little physical stress on it. You can calculate your metabolic rate here.

    http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/berardi41.htm

    I am forced to load up on all sorts of food in order to grow. Feel free to flame but here is a sample days diet for me.

    meal 1
    2 egg
    weight gain shake with L-glutamine added
    multivitamin

    meal 2
    2 peanut butter sandwiches
    or
    2 tuna sandwhiches
    creatine

    meal 3
    3 lean hotdogs

    meal 4
    weight gain shake
    creatine

    meal x
    only sometimes, whatever I find in the fridge.

    meal 5
    meatloaf, veggies

    meal 6
    weight gain shake with L-glutamine added

    As you can see plenty of protein, carbs and fat, roughly 5,000+ calories a day. I dont have the time to eat a strict clean diet. My training routine is a split 3 nights in the gym with plenty of rest. Gained 11 lbs in 4 weeks so far
    all sorts of food to grow is fine..make sure its 5000 good cals that come from good food..not all weight gainer/pb sandwich crap

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