Can't do AM cardio anymore...

***Giantz11*** · 01-18-2006, 02:43 PM

Agreed

**Massacre** · 01-18-2006, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by Giantz11

You can do cardio after your workout. The whole "too catabolic thing" is way way overblown. You are not that catabolic after a workout, you naturally have a large spike of GH which will counter any rise in serum cortisol. And if you take the proper pre workout steps you should even further reduce the chances of you being very catabolic. Post workout is very similar to AM. Blood sugar is low, epinephrine and norepinephrine levels are raised which means you have a large amount of FFA's circulating in the blood stream. A perfect time to utilize cardio to oxidize them. Do no more than 30 min and get your shake in soon after that. The only time I would advise against doing so is when doing larger muscle groups such as legs and back.

Would my PWO shake still be the same? Whey+Dex?

***Giantz11*** · 01-18-2006, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by Massacre

Would my PWO shake still be the same? Whey+Dex?

Exactly the same, just take it down right after cardio.

**Massacre** · 01-18-2006, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by Giantz11

Exactly the same, just take it down right after cardio.

I got another Q for you. I'm running slin. I'm supposed to shoot it right after my training so how would that work if I was doing cardio after?

**Kurz** · 01-18-2006, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by Massacre

I got another Q for you. I'm running slin. I'm supposed to shoot it right after my training so how would that work if I was doing cardio after?

cmon man..........delts!!!

***Giantz11*** · 01-18-2006, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by Massacre

I got another Q for you. I'm running slin. I'm supposed to shoot it right after my training so how would that work if I was doing cardio after?

Shoot it when you're done w/ your shake.

**Massacre** · 01-18-2006, 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by Kurz

cmon man..........delts!!!

Huh? I think you misread the question. I know where to shoot. LOL

Originally Posted by Giantz11

Shoot it when you're done w/ your shake.

With my shake after cardio correct?

**spound** · 01-18-2006, 11:48 PM

Originally Posted by Massacre

With my shake after cardio correct?

Yea man, this would be the time to do it, though I remember nark saying when he was cutting fo rhis last show that he shot his slin before his cario (he did his cardio for that show right after lifting, I believe). So if you decide to do that, you may want to talk to/get soem advice form him. Good luck brutha

Just my 2 cents: If this is your first show I woudlnt use slin while cutting for your contest prep. Just MHO

**bigsd67** · 01-19-2006, 07:31 AM

Originally Posted by Massacre

Huh? I think you misread the question. I know where to shoot. LOL

bro he was asking what you do to train your delts.

**Massacre** · 01-19-2006, 08:54 AM

Originally Posted by bigsd67

bro he was asking what you do to train your delts.

Oh, sorry. PM ME and I'll give you my routine bro.

***Giantz11*** · 01-19-2006, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by Massacre

Huh? I think you misread the question. I know where to shoot. LOL

With my shake after cardio correct?

Exactly.

**Massacre** · 01-19-2006, 08:57 AM

Awesome, Thanks.

**tretch187** · 01-24-2006, 09:03 AM

Originally Posted by Giantz11

The only time I would advise against doing so is when doing larger muscle groups such as legs and back.

Sorry to rez this thread... but I figured a couple people may be curious about this....

Why no after the larger muscle groups? I can see it kind of overloading the legs a little bit, but I am sure thats not the actual reason.... Curious to know the info

***Giantz11*** · 01-24-2006, 10:02 AM

Because larger muscle groups such as the legs and back need to be recovered as quickly as possible due to the large amoun of damage that has been inflicted.

**Panzerfaust** · 01-24-2006, 10:34 AM

Interesting article...i have actually dropped my usual 5g Glutamine before AM cardio since last week.

I might try doing some low intensity post workout cardio..say 30 minutes tops and see what that does for me.

Question is, should i do this post workout cardio if i am also doing AM cardio? Might try it and see what is best? Both or just PM cardio? We shall see....

**tretch187** · 01-24-2006, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by Giantz11

Because larger muscle groups such as the legs and back need to be recovered as quickly as possible due to the large amoun of damage that has been inflicted.

thanks for the assist/info bro.

**Massacre** · 01-24-2006, 11:08 AM

I've been doing cardio after training for about a week. No complaints. I actually beleive it's less time consuming.

I did although do cardio after back/bi yesterday . I won't be doing cardio after legs though.

***Giantz11*** · 01-24-2006, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by muriloninja

Interesting article...i have actually dropped my usual 5g Glutamine before AM cardio since last week.

I might try doing some low intensity post workout cardio..say 30 minutes tops and see what that does for me.

Question is, should i do this post workout cardio if i am also doing AM cardio? Might try it and see what is best? Both or just PM cardio? We shall see....

I would not do double sessions, that could be catabolic for sure.

**Kurz** · 01-24-2006, 12:16 PM

What types (aside from you MASS) of cardio are you folks doing in the pm? Slow incline walks?

**novastepp** · 01-24-2006, 01:51 PM

Giantz, why no double sessions? if my diet is in check and i do 45 mins in the am, i shouldn't do 30 mins of very-low intensity after my workout? we're talking 55% of my HR. no good...why?

**Myka** · 01-24-2006, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by Kurz

What types (aside from you MASS) of cardio are you folks doing in the pm? Slow incline walks?

3.5% incline
4.0 mph

Im going to start running now but that has nothing to do with bodybuilding...

**Kurz** · 01-24-2006, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by NewKid

3.5% incline
4.0 mph

Im going to start running now but that has nothing to do with bodybuilding...

this rough? stats?

***Giantz11*** · 01-24-2006, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by novastepp

Giantz, why no double sessions? if my diet is in check and i do 45 mins in the am, i shouldn't do 30 mins of very-low intensity after my workout? we're talking 55% of my HR. no good...why?

Because there is only so much fat you will lose in a given week. If you push that, you risk muscle loss.

**Massacre** · 01-24-2006, 03:19 PM

Amen Giantz.

**novastepp** · 01-24-2006, 04:06 PM

Thanks guys...

**Panzerfaust** · 01-27-2006, 08:45 AM

Originally Posted by Giantz11

I would not do double sessions, that could be catabolic for sure.

I agree but thought i would ask as i am not afraid or to lazy to do both..i will finish this week out tommorow with AM only and then next week start 30 minutes of cardio after lifting except for Leg days i will do AM.

There is no way in hell i could do cardio after legs...i barely walked out of the gym on Wed let alone do cardio.

Anxious to see what the results will be, probably good since i have never done it before and it will be a shock to my system.

***Giantz11*** · 01-27-2006, 09:05 AM

Originally Posted by muriloninja

I agree but thought i would ask as i am not afraid or to lazy to do both..i will finish this week out tommorow with AM only and then next week start 30 minutes of cardio after lifting except for Leg days i will do AM.

There is no way in hell i could do cardio after legs...i barely walked out of the gym on Wed let alone do cardio.

Anxious to see what the results will be, probably good since i have never done it before and it will be a shock to my system.

To be quite honest, like I said above there is only so much fat you can/will lose in a given time frame, you push that you then are talking about muscle loss. Cutting is far more about diet than it is about 2 a day sessions.

**Panzerfaust** · 01-28-2006, 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by Giantz11

To be quite honest, like I said above there is only so much fat you can/will lose in a given time frame, you push that you then are talking about muscle loss. Cutting is far more about diet than it is about 2 a day sessions.

I will only do PM cardio this coming week and AM cardio on the day i will do Legs. Also this will allow me to get a little more rest in the morning and that will be good. Will post what my thought on it are.