Thread: Final Bulk??? Input puhhhleeeze?
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01-19-2006, 12:20 PM #1
Final Bulk??? Input puhhhleeeze?
6'1....185 and about 9% bf. Low dose HRT for the end of the month (200mg test cyp) then adding eq, sus, and dbol for 10 weeks.
training will be 5x week, cardio MAX OF 2, probably on the weekends.
Diet is as follows: any help would be greatly appreciated.
7am -
1 C Egg Whites
1/3 Cup oat bran, 1/3 cup rolled oats -
1 cup of skim milk
1 whole banana instead
2 tbsp of natty peanut butter
930
half a small tub of dry curd cottage cheese - 225 grams
10 shelled peanuts 10 almonds
green tea
1/2 pb sandwhich on ww
noon
7oz chicken and lean beef
7oz yam
half of a large salad
1/2 pb sandwhich on whole wheat
300
1/2 cup oats
1 scoop whey
coffee - skim
500
TRAIN
PW shake on training days.....Dext/whey
730
1 cup egg whites
2 pieces of ww bread
900
CASEIN SHAKE WITH ALMONDS, CC, PEANUTS
or Muscle milk shae if I dont feel like eating taking to bed!
thanks bros
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01-19-2006, 02:17 PM #2
I would make the pre workout meal at about 4. Other than that, whats the macro breakdown, total cals?
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01-19-2006, 02:51 PM #3
truthfully, never counted a cal in my life....figured I adjust as we went........foods look decent?
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01-19-2006, 03:10 PM #4
Yeah for sure.
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01-23-2006, 11:51 AM #5
I'm bloatedddddddd........turning back....its cut time.
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01-23-2006, 01:27 PM #6
There seems to be alot of pb sandwiches! I would add some proper sources of protein pre-workout.
I would drop the skimmed milk and pb from meal one too. Maybe brown rice in your PPWO meal instead of bread?
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01-23-2006, 02:15 PM #7
WHy? WHole organic wheat bread..............comprable to rice, if not better.
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01-23-2006, 02:41 PM #8Originally Posted by Kurz
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01-23-2006, 02:47 PM #9
and I appreciate that.....good info....I will switch it up, maybe white rice to PW....
you're no fan of pb sandwhichs eh? I'm up to 3 a day on top of my meals.....next is the 5 cases of detour bars i have.....!!!
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01-23-2006, 03:15 PM #10Originally Posted by Kurz
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01-23-2006, 05:20 PM #11
yep..careful with those pb sandwiches! I like brown rice ppwo..but wheats good enough I suppose.
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01-23-2006, 07:35 PM #12
pb and banana....tomorrow maybe ill have 4~
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01-24-2006, 08:49 AM #13
Whelp..3 weeks in, up 4lbs on a good day, but my abs are starting to fade....getting stronger, but depressed about the stomach.
Why would 4lbs make me lose definition?
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01-24-2006, 09:02 AM #14
6'2, 166 and I am worried about abs............what a wuss eh? Someone please beat me.......I shouldnt even consider turning back till I'm 200lbs, right?
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01-24-2006, 09:20 AM #15Originally Posted by Kurz
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01-24-2006, 10:16 AM #16Originally Posted by tretch187
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01-24-2006, 12:01 PM #17
why such a shocker?
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01-24-2006, 12:57 PM #18
look a lot bigger in ur avatar. Id hit up 200lbs yup.
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01-24-2006, 01:01 PM #19
i was a little shocked myself...you look a lil bigger in your avatar.
Anyway I have been reading your posts for a while and you've never been shy about eating it up, bulking right, etc. I think that is great! Of course you will lose your abs somewhere along the way, you are gaining a lot of weight. muscle and fat. Unless you want to bulk for a year and not lose your abs, I think you're on the right track. Besides, once you DO begin your cut, the weight will come off quite a bit easier. You will be both mentally and physically ready to cut at that point. Enjoy the bulk!
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01-24-2006, 01:07 PM #20
when you start adding in that gear wouldn't you want a lil more food ??? allthat test is gonna make you hungry and horny !!!!!!!
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01-24-2006, 01:24 PM #21
haha! great avatar steve0...as always
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01-25-2006, 09:07 AM #22
In my avat. I was close to 220....lol.............4 years ago. Cut hard (and wrong) lost strength size and an appetite restricting cals and carbs to get a six pack and train for a tri.
Now I am paying for it.....scared to lose the abs. Gear? I'm 168 as of yesterday at 6'2, and on 200mg a week of test enth due to low natty test.
I dont think I should hit a cycle until I'm at least 190, agreed?
Cut cardio down to 1-2x a week MAX, instead of 7 times a week..........
What does one do? Slam the cals? like I said, havent cheated in years, no fast food, ni pizza.....prob. 3 beers in 3 years........I can coach others but fail when applying it to myself........matter of fact, I think I've eaten the same meals for 3 years straight.
TODAY
3/4 CUP OATS
1 CUP EGG WHITES
SOME BERRIES
1/2 SCOOP WHEY AND COFFEE
HALF TUB DRY CURD
20-30 PEANUTS AND ALMONDS.......
2 MEALS DOWN.
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01-25-2006, 10:25 AM #23
in bold bro
Originally Posted by Kurz
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01-25-2006, 10:39 AM #24Originally Posted by xtinaunasty
i always try to keep it real
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01-25-2006, 10:44 AM #25Originally Posted by taiboxa
To add milk, which is ok, but i get enough dairy......
and to take 2 hours before my meal and training....which I do, but it's 1/2 cup of oats....it's about 40g max of carbs, i'm sure it's digested within an hour bro......
coming from a diet of 8,000 (which is an extreme IMHO), I do appreciate the help, but you gotta come harder than that!
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01-25-2006, 12:53 PM #26Originally Posted by Kurz
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01-26-2006, 06:43 AM #27Originally Posted by Kurz
dairy is not the point .. its the caesin protein im concerned about.. its very very beneficial and yes its noted that you take caesin protein pre bed as well but i was trying to suggest a simple p/c supplement that had a different break down time other than that of speedy ass eggwhites that you could add to that meal.. its looks TINY.
sure if i get time today i kan throw down all the food u plan to eat get a nutrtional break down for ya then find out what we need to add and where...
btw im not a big fan of salads when bulking they make you feel more full than you really are
probably be better off w/ some spiniche or green beans
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01-26-2006, 06:46 AM #28
oh and btw theres not much to critique as long as its working for you.. EVERYONE IS DIF.. now if its not working then yeah we need to break it down and find out WHY its not and HOW to fix it. other than that if ur growing as fast as you think you should be then PIMP !
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01-26-2006, 06:57 AM #29
Whelp I've done this diet for 3 weeks now, no cheat meals, nothing in substitute, just what it states. Off/cardio days I switch the last 3pm of oats to tuna. Scale has move 2-3lbs and I just feel more bloated. Think my cals are too low?
7am -
1 C Egg Whites
1/4 cup steel cut, 1/3 rolled dry measure -
1 cup of skim milk (low carb)
2 strawberries, 10 blueberries, 10 raszberries
930
half a small tub of dry curd cottage cheese - 225 grams
10 shelled peanuts 10 almonds
green tea
noon
7oz chicken and lean beef
7oz yam
half of a large salad
300
1/2 cup oats
1 scoop whey
coffee - skim
500
TRAIN
No shake
730
1 cup egg whites
2 pieces of ww bread
900
CASEIN SHAKE WITH ALMONDS, CC, PEANUTS
or Muscle milk shae if I dont feel like eating taking to bed!
thanks bros
someone said toss in 2-3 pb sandwhichs a day, good idea?
should I have a PW shake and then have oats and egg whites right before bed instead of my fats/protein shake?
I'm in bed by 9pm, training ends at 6:30pm....so I have time for two meals MAX!
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01-26-2006, 09:14 AM #30
bro the bloat is from the carbs .. u store 4grams of water per 1gram of glycogen plus your body is trying to maintain equilibrium in its osmotic pressure. usually from dextrose/milk/ and some breads/oats.
pb is a good fat not much for protein though... not fond of putting it on bread.. better put w/ whey to slow down the whey absorbtion
WHY no SHAKE?! especially when bulking.. LIFTING will induce a catabolic effect on the body best shunt that w/ some speedy carbs and very bio.av. protein i.e. whey or cooked eggwhites.
1hr after your pwo shake eat oats and whites.. thats perfect ppwo IMO and for better results throw in 2 glasses of milk for some casein and faster carbs this will help bring a lil ballance to ur last meal of the day and give ur body something to gnaw on while it rests.
brb tan time
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01-26-2006, 09:17 AM #31
WHY no pb sandwhich on TOP of my meals???? good extra cals, no? fat gain? I also have 5 cases of FREE Detour bars..should I use?
Training at 630pm - shake
meal at 730 of carbs and protein
and then a muscle milk shake at 9pm.....too many cals in a short period?
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01-26-2006, 09:53 AM #32Originally Posted by Kurz
that is alot of cals in a short time so u have 2 options.. make ur meal at 730 fairly large so that u can goto bed an hour later and be fine or eat a tiny meal right before bed of fat/pro..
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01-26-2006, 10:32 AM #33
So its prob better to have a meal post workout then a shake before bed.
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01-26-2006, 11:13 AM #34Originally Posted by Kurz
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01-26-2006, 11:24 AM #35
see my confusion!
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01-26-2006, 01:31 PM #36Originally Posted by Kurz
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01-26-2006, 08:05 PM #37Originally Posted by taiboxa
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