Article: no carbs pwo

**americanoak** · 02-20-2010, 01:07 PM

Here is an article that explains why having carbs post workout isnt a must.
What do you guys think?

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/ditc...kout_carbs.htm

It did a study that had 3 diff groups. Each group ingested same protein pwo, but diff carbs.

Group 1: no carbs,
Group 2: .15 kg/body weight
Group 3: .6 kg/body weight

It says the study shows no difference in protein synthasis and that ingesting carbs pwo can actually be counter productive:

Growth hormone levels are elevated after resistance training. It's well known that as insulin levels increase in the body, growth hormone decreases. A large spike in insulin will occur with the ingestion of high GI post-workout carbs. Therefore, it would seem that carb intake after resistance training may be counter-productive.

Also, its input on fat burning:

Obviously if you are taking time to refill your muscle glycogen stores with carbohydrate after a workout, you are reducing the amount of fatty acids your body will use to provide the energy it needs.

In order to keep fat-oxidation (using fat for energy, whether from body-fat or food) at maximum levels, it would make sense to leave the carbs out of your post-workout shake. In doing so you encourage the body to tap into it's stored fat.

Anyone agree?

**xtinaunasty** · 02-20-2010, 01:11 PM

i have been doing cyclic ketogenic diet [ The Cyclic Ketogenic Diet..... ] for 2 weeks and have lost 5 lbs (im assuming mostly fat becuase my second row of abs is now showing)...so yeah, i agree

**americanoak** · 02-20-2010, 01:14 PM

grats on the diet, im planning on doing that diet towards the beginning of may

**TOP** · 02-20-2010, 01:22 PM

Possibly a new take on post workout nutrition

Another

**xtinaunasty** · 02-20-2010, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by americanoak

grats on the diet, im planning on doing that diet towards the beginning of may

thanks...its hard at first, but totally worth it

**americanoak** · 02-20-2010, 01:47 PM

seems like i will be changing my pwo meal a bit

**americanoak** · 02-20-2010, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by xtinaunasty

thanks...its hard at first, but totally worth it

np, yea im rly looking foward to it. Already read a book on it, Bodypus. I have pretty much all the info. Just want to start it closer to the summer so i dont have to do it for a few months straight

**xtinaunasty** · 02-20-2010, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by americanoak

np, yea im rly looking foward to it. Already read a book on it, Bodypus. I have pretty much all the info. Just want to start it closer to the summer so i dont have to do it for a few months straight

yeah it isnt the healthiest diet ever...i dont think i would want to do it more than three months

**americanoak** · 02-21-2010, 09:56 AM

Hah, yea i'de prolly have to agree with not the healthiest diet, but I am doing it just to get rid of a last couple lbs of bf closer towards the summer. Prolly will only run it for 4 to 6 weeks.

**Phate** · 02-21-2010, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by xtinaunasty

i have been doing cyclic ketogenic diet [ The Cyclic Ketogenic Diet..... ] for 2 weeks and have lost 5 lbs (im assuming mostly fat becuase my second row of abs is now showing)...so yeah, i agree

how are you running it?

**Damienm05** · 02-21-2010, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by xtinaunasty

yeah it isnt the healthiest diet ever...i dont think i would want to do it more than three months

It's never gonna be as balanced as a lot of diet options but I've never understood how people derive their high fat intake from bacon and such. Easy enough to get 70% cals from fat without changing healthy eating habits.

**americanoak** · 02-21-2010, 11:47 AM

i guess it works even if they do eat bacon, even though it isnt good for you, so why not. Im sure if they did it with healthier food sources, (like not bacon) that they would prolly lose even more body fat.

**_CrossroadS_** · 02-21-2010, 01:20 PM

On the original topic, no i don't eat carbs immediately after my workout. and when i eat my next meal, it's complex carbs, just like with every other meal. Noticed no difference in muscle building between this and when i did it "the old way" with big nasty PWO shakes...

**americanoak** · 02-21-2010, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by _CrossroadS_

On the original topic, no i don't eat carbs immediately after my workout. and when i eat my next meal, it's complex carbs, just like with every other meal. Noticed no difference in muscle building between this and when i did it "the old way" with big nasty PWO shakes...

just what i was looking for, thanks.
Looks like mass sugar pwo isn't the way to go any more

**xtinaunasty** · 02-21-2010, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by Phate

how are you running it?

what do you mean? i do 65% fat 30% protein and 5% carbs

**MuscleScience** · 02-21-2010, 08:22 PM

I have been saying this for awhile now.

**_CrossroadS_** · 02-21-2010, 08:25 PM

Yes, I haven't been around for a year or so, and it had been beaten to death then...

We "work out" in our daily lives, with random activities...should we stop and shove sugar and protein powder down our gullets...it just never made sense to me.

**americanoak** · 02-21-2010, 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by _CrossroadS_

Yes, I haven't been around for a year or so, and it had been beaten to death then...

We "work out" in our daily lives, with random activities...should we stop and shove sugar and protein powder down our gullets...it just never made sense to me.

lol very true. I think ill like not having to crap carm in. Mostly because i feel lke shi* for eating them, (even though they taste great

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**xtinaunasty** · 02-21-2010, 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by Damienm05

It's never gonna be as balanced as a lot of diet options but I've never understood how people derive their high fat intake from bacon and such. Easy enough to get 70% cals from fat without changing healthy eating habits.

i eat bacon every day. it is the one thing that keeps me sane during the week. but i get most of my other fat from walnuts, avocado, olive oil, and flax. the only thing that makes it not healthy is the inability to eat vegetables and fruit. i can feel it wearing on my body.

**americanoak** · 02-21-2010, 09:49 PM

I am looking foward to eating lots of bacon

only a little longer

**Damienm05** · 02-21-2010, 10:15 PM

Originally Posted by xtinaunasty

i eat bacon every day. it is the one thing that keeps me sane during the week. but i get most of my other fat from walnuts, avocado, olive oil, and flax. the only thing that makes it not healthy is the inability to eat vegetables and fruit. i can feel it wearing on my body.

Yeah, I miss fruit. Especially pre/post workout and with breakfast. Robek's smoothies used to be my morning motivation! I'm not on CKD but sugar is a big no-no in my diet regiment.

But you can definitely eat veggies like a mofo! Provided you're not eating lots of nuts and sauces (all have hidden carbs minus some creamy dressings) - you should have plenty of leeway to do veggies with each meal. Remember, fiber doesn't count towards net carbs. Asparagus, brocolli, spinach can be eaten in all but limitless quantities. While green beans and brussel sprouts can be down 2-3 times per day without exceeding the 20g rule of thumb.