Info on Diet & Nutrition.

[strong_web]

Wrote this up in word, so hopefully you can view it well, sorry its long. Got it all from looking around and grabbing from books.

Nutrition and Diet!

Muscle growth: Training , body need sufficient amount of energy and raw material to get full benefit from your workout, and by doing so this provide a role of nutrition.

Nutrition - Your body need these to keep lean, Good nutrition can also concerned with protein, vitamin, mineral, and there are others. Nutrition can not only get you stronger but can also help your immune system ( Less risk of a cold).
- Enhance Workout recovery
- Good for your skin

BodyBuilder Requirement!

They require simultaneously maximum muscle mass and minimum body fat.

Competition bodybuilder must, get down to about 8 to 11 percent body fat for men and for women 7 to 9.

The basic Nutrients:

Protein: Amino acid, provides the building block for muscle tissue. Also components of all organs, and is involved in the structure of skin, bones, and tendons.

Carbohydrate: Fuel for energy, is composed of a variety of less complex or more complex sugar and starch molecules.

Fats: (oils), The nutrient that contains the most densely packed energy stores.

Water is also an essential nutrient. It constitutes 72% of muscle and most bodybuilders drink liters of it a day

Protein: Body needs this to build, repair, and maintain muscle tissue. Protein is made up of carbon, hydrogen. And oxygen, and one more element none of the other nutrients have - nitrogen.
- Complete protein, They provide all the amino acids necessary to produce usable protein.( Milk, eggs, meat, fish and various veggies*soy bean*.

Our bodys don’t use the full amount of protein given when seen. For example 10gram of protein, our body intake 7 - 8.5grams.

Whey, a milk derivative, which is a refined product, has even more net protein than eggs.

But eggs are a very good source of quality Protein.

Carbohydrates: Source of energy. All carbohydrate are sugar, molecules containing carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen synthesized by plant through the process of photosynthesis (using energy by sun) or by animals through the process of glycogen synthesis.
Sugar doesn’t mean table sugar.

Monosaccharides:
Glucose (blood sugar)
Fructose (fruit sugar)
Galactic (a kind of milk sugar)

Oligosaccharides:
Sucrose (table sugar)
Lactose(milk sugar)
Maltose (malt sugar)

Polysaccharides
Plant polysaccharides (starch and cellulose)
Animal polysaccharides (glycogen)

Glycogen - allow you to do heavy lifting.
Muscle Sizes - Body stores glycogen and water in the individual muscle cells.
Carbohydrates - in the body have a - protein-sparing effect, keeping the body from burning up excessive protein for energy
The carbohydrate glucose - Fuel the brain, can effect mood and mental ability

Dietary fats: Energy-dense of the three macronutrients.
Three basic functions:
- They provide the major source of stored energy(body fat)
- they serve to cushion and proteet the major organ
-they act as an insulator, preserving body heat and protecting against excessive cold

Extras - A pound of fat has 4000cal as opposed to 1800 calories stored in a pound or protein or carbs.
Don’t get out of breath, the body uses fats and carb for energy on about a 50-50 basis, the longer of steady exercise, the higher the percentage of fat used. The body will use 80% of its energy from fat after workout.

The experts recommend that about to-thirds of your fat intake be polyunsaturated fats.

Fat sources:
Saturated fat:

Beef, Lamb, Pork, Chicken, Shellfish, Egg yolk, Cream, Milk, Cheese, Butter, Chocolate, Lard, Vegetable Shortening.

Unsaturated Fat:

Avocados, Cashews, Olives(oil), Peanut/peanut butter.

Polyunsaturated fat:

Almonds, Cottonseed oil, Margarine (usually), pecans, sunflower oil, corn oil, fish, mayonnaise, safflower oil, soybean oil, walnuts.

WATER:
Body is made up with 40-60 percent of water! You may recall muscle compose of 72% by weight. Were fat take 20-25% water. If you workout your body needs atless eight 12-ounce glasses per day..

You need pure water, so from coffee, juice and soft drink aren’t a source.

Vitamins: Ingest with our food, Vitamins do not supply water. Two basic categories from vitamin is water-soluble and fat-soluble.

Water soluble: are not stored in body, are flushed out of urine. These would be:
B1 - pork, hole grain, dried beans and peas, sunflower seed, nut
b2,- Live and other meat organ, poultry, brewers yeast, fish, dried pea, beans, nuts, sunflower seed, cheese, egg, yogurt, milk, whole grains, green leafy veggie, nori seaweed
B3- pretty much the same as b2, but veal
B5- Nuts, bean seeds, dark green leafy veggie, poultry, dried fruit, milk, royal jelly from(honeybees)
B6- Sunflower seed, beans, poultry, liver, eggs, nuts, green veggie, bananas, dried fruit
B12- Animal protein foods,(fish, meat, shellfish, poultry, milk, yogurt, eggs
Biotin - Egg yolk, liver, sardines, whole soy flour
Folate- Dark leafy veggie, nuts, beans, whole grains, fruit/juice, liver, egg yolk
vit C - Citrus fruit, berries, melon, dark green veggie, cauliflower, tomatoes, green and red pepper, cabbage, potatoes
vit A- Liver, deep yellow, orange, dark green veggie and fruit also, carrot, broccoli, spinach, sweet potatoes, cheese, milk, fortified margarine.

Fat-soluble vitamins: Stored in fatty tissues, these are - Vit A- already explain
Vit D - fortified and full-fat dairy products, tuna, salmon, cod and liver
Vit E- veggie oil, nuts, seeds, fish, wheat germ, whole grain, dark leafy greens
Vit K- dark leafy greens , cabbage, polar bear liver

MINERALS

Calcium: The primary mineral in bones and teeth is also needed for normal muscle contraction and relaxation, nerve functioning, and blood clotting. The dietary sources are milk and milk products, oysters, small fish, tofu, greens, and legumes.

Phosphorus: This mineral makes up about 1% of your body weight. It is needed for bone and tooth strength, and it plays an important role in the body's utilization of carbohydrates and fats and in the synthesis of protein and in the maintenance and repair of cells and tissues. The dietary sources are dairy products and meat.

Magnesium: This is required for nerve and heart function, bone strength, and to maintain a healthy immune system. The dietary sources are halibut, nuts, spinach, cereal, oatmeal, potato, peanut butter, and yogurt.

Sodium: This is critical for nerve impulse transmission and helps to maintain cells' normal fluid balance. The guidelines for sodium consumption are to consume less than 2,300 mg (approximately 1 tsp of salt) of sodium per day and to choose and prepare foods with little salt. At the same time, consume potassium-rich foods, such as fruits and vegetables.

Potassium: This is essential for the body's growth and maintenance and the contraction of muscles. It's also necessary to maintain a normal fluid balance between the cells and body fluids. Dietary sources are potato with the skin, prunes, raisins, lima beans, orange juice, tomato juice, acorn squash, bananas, spinach, and sunflower seeds.

Chloride: Chloride is a part of the hydrochloric acid in the stomach that is necessary for proper digestion. The dietary sources are salt and processed foods.

Sulfur: This is the only mineral that aids in drug detoxification. The dietary sources are all protein-containing foods. The primary functions and sources of the trace minerals are

Iodine: This mineral is a component of thyroid hormones. The dietary sources are iodized salt, seafood, and dairy products.

Iron: Iron deficiency is considered the number-one nutritional disorder in the world. It is needed to make hemoglobin, which is used to carry oxygen in the blood. When oxygen can't get to the cells, the symptoms will be fatigue, poor work performance, and decreased immunity. The dietary sources are liver, oysters, beef, turkey, chicken, and tuna.

Zinc: This mineral is involved in normal growth and development, it's needed for a healthy immune system, it helps maintain your sense of taste and smell, and it is needed for wound healing. The dietary sources are seafood, meat, poultry, and whole grains.

Fluoride: Pick up your toothpaste and you will see that it contains fluoride. The reason for this is because it increases resistance of tooth enamel to dental caries. Water is also fluoridated for this reason.

Chromium: This mineral enhances the action of insulin . It also appears to be involved in carbohydrate, protein, and fat metabolism. Dietary sources are meat, unrefined grains, broccoli, garlic, and basil.

Copper: Copper aids in forming hemoglobin, which is needed to carry oxygen to the cells. It is also involved in protein metabolism and hormone synthesis. The dietary sources are liver, cocoa, beans, nuts, whole grains, and dried fruits.

Metabolic Rate:

• BMR stands for Basal Metabolic Rate, and is synonymous with Basal Energy Expenditure or BEE. BMR measurements are typically taken in a darkened room upon waking after 8 hours of sleep; 12 hours of fasting to ensure that the digestive system is inactive; and with the subject resting in a reclining position.

• RMR stands for Resting Metabolic Rate, and is synonymous with Resting Energy Expenditure or REE. RMR measurements are typically taken under less restricted conditions than BMR, and do not require that the subject spend the night sleeping” in the test facility prior to testing.

Somebody that weights 150lb should burn up 2100cal a day, 250lb should burn up to 3500cal a day.

False Energy:

Adrenaline, Alcohol, Alkalis, Amphetamines, Caffeine, Cocaine, Coramine, Lecithin, Metrazol, Noradrenaline, Sulfa drugs.

Nutritional Minmums: Average diet, 1g per kilo (2.2pounds) of body weight,

IMPORTANCE OF GLYCOGEN”
Carb stored in liver and in muscle to be used as fuel. Also can fill up them muscles.

Ketosis
The ketogenic diet is a high-fat, adequate-protein, low-carbohydrate diet that in medicine is used primarily to treat difficult-to-control (refractory) epilepsy in children. The diet mimics aspects of starvation by forcing the body to burn fats rather than carbohydrates. Normally, the carbohydrates contained in food are converted into glucose, which is then transported around the body and is particularly important in fuelling brain function. However, if there is very little carbohydrate in the diet, the liver converts fat into fatty acids and ketone bodies. The ketone bodies pass into the brain and replace glucose as an energy source. An elevated level of ketone bodies in the blood, a state known as ketosis, leads to a reduction in the frequency of epileptic seizures.[1]

The original therapeutic diet for pediatric epilepsy provides just enough protein for body growth and repair, and sufficient calories[Note 1] to maintain the correct weight for age and height. This classic ketogenic diet contains a 4:1 ratio by weight of fat to combined protein and carbohydrate. This is achieved by excluding high-carbohydrate foods such as starchy fruits and vegetables, bread, pasta, grains and sugar, while increasing the consumption of foods high in fat such as cream and butter

And that’s my hard work done, hope this helps you out!

[FireGuy]

wrote this up in word, so hopefully you can view it well, sorry its long. Got it all from looking around and grabbing from books.

nutrition and diet!

muscle growth: Training , body need sufficient amount of energy and raw material to get full benefit from your workout, and by doing so this provide a role of nutrition.

Nutrition - your body need these to keep lean, good nutrition can also concerned with protein, vitamin, mineral, and there are others. Nutrition can not only get you stronger but can also help your immune system ( less risk of a cold).
- enhance workout recovery
- good for your skin

bodybuilder requirement!

They require simultaneously maximum muscle mass and minimum body fat.

competition bodybuilder must, get down to about 8 to 11 percent body fat for men and for women 7 to 9.
hmmmm, so I can hit the stage at 10%!!. Also, women compete at a lower bodyfat than men??

the basic nutrients:

Protein: Amino acid, provides the building block for muscle tissue. Also components of all organs, and is involved in the structure of skin, bones, and tendons.

Carbohydrate: Fuel for energy, is composed of a variety of less complex or more complex sugar and starch molecules.

Fats: (oils), the nutrient that contains the most densely packed energy stores.

Water is also an essential nutrient. It constitutes 72% of muscle and most bodybuilders drink liters of it a day

protein: Body needs this to build, repair, and maintain muscle tissue. Protein is made up of carbon, hydrogen. And oxygen, and one more element none of the other nutrients have - nitrogen.
- complete protein, they provide all the amino acids necessary to produce usable protein.( milk, eggs, meat, fish and various veggies*soy bean*.veggies and soy are complete proteins??

our bodys don’t use the full amount of protein given when seen. For example 10gram of protein, our body intake 7 - 8.5grams.
is this dependant upon other factors say like quality of protein maybe?

whey, a milk derivative, which is a refined product, has even more net protein than eggs.
is there more than one type of whey protein? If so which one are you making the comparison with?
but eggs are a very good source of quality protein.

Carbohydrates: Source of energy. All carbohydrate are sugar, molecules containing carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen synthesized by plant through the process of photosynthesis (using energy by sun) or by animals through the process of glycogen synthesis.
Sugar doesn’t mean table sugar.

Monosaccharides:
Glucose (blood sugar)
fructose (fruit sugar)
galactic (a kind of milk sugar)

oligosaccharides:
Sucrose (table sugar)
lactose(milk sugar)
maltose (malt sugar)

polysaccharides
plant polysaccharides (starch and cellulose)
animal polysaccharides (glycogen)

glycogen - allow you to do heavy lifting.
Muscle sizes - body stores glycogen and water in the individual muscle cells.
Carbohydrates - in the body have a - protein-sparing effect, keeping the body from burning up excessive protein for energy
the carbohydrate glucose - fuel the brain, can effect mood and mental ability

dietary fats: Energy-dense of the three macronutrients.
Three basic functions:
- they provide the major source of stored energy(body fat)
- they serve to cushion and proteet the major organ
-they act as an insulator, preserving body heat and protecting against excessive cold

extras - a pound of fat has 4000cal it went up 500 cals?as opposed to 1800 calories stored in a pound or protein or carbs.
Don’t get out of breath, the body uses fats and carb for energy on about a 50-50 basis, the longer of steady exercise, the higher the percentage of fat used.and all this time i thought exertion levels, glycogen levels and the presence of insuling were determining factors. the body will use 80% of its energy from fat after workout.i never knew this to be a fact that applied to anyone or everyone

the experts recommend that about to-thirds of your fat intake be polyunsaturated fats.

Fat sources:
Saturated fat:

Beef, lamb, pork, chicken, shellfish, egg yolk, cream, milk, cheese, butter, chocolate, lard, vegetable shortening.

Unsaturated fat:

Avocados, cashews, olives(oil), peanut/peanut butter.

Polyunsaturated fat:

Almonds, cottonseed oil, margarine (usually), pecans, sunflower oil, corn oil, fish, mayonnaise, safflower oil, soybean oil, walnuts.

Water:
Body is made up with 40-60 percent of water! You may recall muscle compose of 72% by weight. Were fat take 20-25% water. If you workout your body needs atless eight 12-ounce glasses per day..

You need pure water, so from coffee, juice and soft drink aren’t a source.

Vitamins: Ingest with our food, vitamins do not supply water. Two basic categories from vitamin is water-soluble and fat-soluble.

Water soluble: Are not stored in body, are flushed out of urine. These would be:
B1 - pork, hole grain, dried beans and peas, sunflower seed, nut
b2,- live and other meat organ, poultry, brewers yeast, fish, dried pea, beans, nuts, sunflower seed, cheese, egg, yogurt, milk, whole grains, green leafy veggie, nori seaweed
b3- pretty much the same as b2, but veal
b5- nuts, bean seeds, dark green leafy veggie, poultry, dried fruit, milk, royal jelly from(honeybees)
b6- sunflower seed, beans, poultry, liver, eggs, nuts, green veggie, bananas, dried fruit
b12- animal protein foods,(fish, meat, shellfish, poultry, milk, yogurt, eggs
biotin - egg yolk, liver, sardines, whole soy flour
folate- dark leafy veggie, nuts, beans, whole grains, fruit/juice, liver, egg yolk
vit c - citrus fruit, berries, melon, dark green veggie, cauliflower, tomatoes, green and red pepper, cabbage, potatoes
vit a- liver, deep yellow, orange, dark green veggie and fruit also, carrot, broccoli, spinach, sweet potatoes, cheese, milk, fortified margarine.

Fat-soluble vitamins: Stored in fatty tissues, these are - vit a- already explain
vit d - fortified and full-fat dairy products, tuna, salmon, cod and liver
vit e- veggie oil, nuts, seeds, fish, wheat germ, whole grain, dark leafy greens
vit k- dark leafy greens , cabbage, polar bear liver

minerals

calcium: The primary mineral in bones and teeth is also needed for normal muscle contraction and relaxation, nerve functioning, and blood clotting. The dietary sources are milk and milk products, oysters, small fish, tofu, greens, and legumes.

Phosphorus: This mineral makes up about 1% of your body weight. It is needed for bone and tooth strength, and it plays an important role in the body's utilization of carbohydrates and fats and in the synthesis of protein and in the maintenance and repair of cells and tissues. The dietary sources are dairy products and meat.

Magnesium: This is required for nerve and heart function, bone strength, and to maintain a healthy immune system. The dietary sources are halibut, nuts, spinach, cereal, oatmeal, potato, peanut butter, and yogurt.

Sodium: This is critical for nerve impulse transmission and helps to maintain cells' normal fluid balance. The guidelines for sodium consumption are to consume less than 2,300 mg (approximately 1 tsp of salt) of sodium per day and to choose and prepare foods with little salt. At the same time, consume potassium-rich foods, such as fruits and vegetables.

Potassium: This is essential for the body's growth and maintenance and the contraction of muscles. It's also necessary to maintain a normal fluid balance between the cells and body fluids. Dietary sources are potato with the skin, prunes, raisins, lima beans, orange juice, tomato juice, acorn squash, bananas, spinach, and sunflower seeds.

Chloride: Chloride is a part of the hydrochloric acid in the stomach that is necessary for proper digestion. The dietary sources are salt and processed foods.

Sulfur: This is the only mineral that aids in drug detoxification. The dietary sources are all protein-containing foods. The primary functions and sources of the trace minerals are

iodine: This mineral is a component of thyroid hormones. The dietary sources are iodized salt, seafood, and dairy products.

Iron: Iron deficiency is considered the number-one nutritional disorder in the world. It is needed to make hemoglobin, which is used to carry oxygen in the blood. When oxygen can't get to the cells, the symptoms will be fatigue, poor work performance, and decreased immunity. The dietary sources are liver, oysters, beef, turkey, chicken, and tuna.

Zinc: This mineral is involved in normal growth and development, it's needed for a healthy immune system, it helps maintain your sense of taste and smell, and it is needed for wound healing. The dietary sources are seafood, meat, poultry, and whole grains.

Fluoride: Pick up your toothpaste and you will see that it contains fluoride. The reason for this is because it increases resistance of tooth enamel to dental caries. Water is also fluoridated for this reason.

Chromium: This mineral enhances the action of insulin . It also appears to be involved in carbohydrate, protein, and fat metabolism. Dietary sources are meat, unrefined grains, broccoli, garlic, and basil.

Copper: Copper aids in forming hemoglobin, which is needed to carry oxygen to the cells. It is also involved in protein metabolism and hormone synthesis. The dietary sources are liver, cocoa, beans, nuts, whole grains, and dried fruits.

Metabolic rate:

• bmr stands for basal metabolic rate, and is synonymous with basal energy expenditure or bee. Bmr measurements are typically taken in a darkened room upon waking after 8 hours of sleep; 12 hours of fasting to ensure that the digestive system is inactive; and with the subject resting in a reclining position.

• rmr stands for resting metabolic rate, and is synonymous with resting energy expenditure or ree. Rmr measurements are typically taken under less restricted conditions than bmr, and do not require that the subject spend the night sleeping” in the test facility prior to testing.

somebody that weights 150lb should burn up 2100cal a day, 250lb should burn up to 3500cal a day. does a person lbm (lean body mass) have anything to do with this equation or can we simply go off of a persons weight? I am thinking we may want to take into consideration the persons activity level as well but i may be way off base.

false energy:

Adrenaline, alcohol, alkalis, amphetamines, caffeine, cocaine, coramine, lecithin, metrazol, noradrenaline, sulfa drugs.

Nutritional minmums: Average diet, 1g per kilo (2.2pounds) of body weight,

importance of glycogen”
carb stored in liver and in muscle to be used as fuel. Also can fill up them muscles.

Ketosis
the ketogenic diet is a high-fat, adequate-protein, low-carbohydrate diet that in medicine is used primarily to treat difficult-to-control (refractory) epilepsy in children. The diet mimics aspects of starvation by forcing the body to burn fats rather than carbohydrates. Normally, the carbohydrates contained in food are converted into glucose, which is then transported around the body and is particularly important in fuelling brain function. However, if there is very little carbohydrate in the diet, the liver converts fat into fatty acids and ketone bodies. The ketone bodies pass into the brain and replace glucose as an energy source. An elevated level of ketone bodies in the blood, a state known as ketosis, leads to a reduction in the frequency of epileptic seizures.[1]

the original therapeutic diet for pediatric epilepsy provides just enough protein for body growth and repair, and sufficient calories[note 1] to maintain the correct weight for age and height. This classic ketogenic diet contains a 4:1 ratio by weight of fat to combined protein and carbohydrate. This is achieved by excluding high-carbohydrate foods such as starchy fruits and vegetables, bread, pasta, grains and sugar, while increasing the consumption of foods high in fat such as cream and butter

and that’s my hard work done, hope this helps you out!

sticky!!!!!!!!!!!!

[strong_web]

Thanks for adding in your input!
Bodyfat % - For men 8-10, Yeah you could hit the stage at that, but my research that I was reading from was Arnold words, so now of day it more then likly different.

Veggie soy beans, texturized vegetable protein, protein in vegetarian food. So correct me if I am wrong something like taco bells meat.

10gram of protein, our body intake 7 - 8.5grams - you have a point, then again its back to what I have looked up.

Whey part - An egg contains only 12% protein by weight. Due to its specific balance of amino acids present in that protein, 94% of it can be used by our body. In contrast, 42 percent of soybean flour is protein, but the makeup of that protein is such that your body is able to use only 61% of it. There is a big difference between how much protein a food contains and how much of that protein we can actually use to build muscle.

calories- I am sure this was a guide line for the basic person.

the body uses fats and carb for energy : When you exercise.

Burning calories, This is base on a normal person activity level, Sleeping 72?, sitting 72-84, walking (3.5mph) 336-420and so on.

But thanks for taking the time to review my Post, I only did this cause I am always using others info and though since I was trying to learn, I should type up what I got and give it to other.

[FireGuy]

Thanks for adding in your input!
Bodyfat % - For men 8-10, Yeah you could hit the stage at that, but my research that I was reading from was Arnold words, so now of day it more then likly different.
Sweet, I will shoot for 8% and be on the low end just in case.

Veggie soy beans, texturized vegetable protein, protein in vegetarian food. So correct me if I am wrong something like taco bells meat.
Taco Time runs circles around Taco Bell in my opinion but they are a bit more expensive. I am sure the complete protein profile in the vegetable proteins is pretty comparable between the two though.

10gram of protein, our body intake 7 - 8.5grams - you have a point, then again its back to what I have looked up.
Sounds easy enough, if I feel my body needs 300 grams I will just take in 400 grams x utilization factor of .75 and be right at 300 usable

Whey part - An egg contains only 12% protein by weight. Due to its specific balance of amino acids present in that protein, 94% of it can be used by our body. In contrast, 42 percent of soybean flour is protein, but the makeup of that protein is such that your body is able to use only 61% of it. There is a big difference between how much protein a food contains and how much of that protein we can actually use to build muscle. So that 7-8.5 grams you mentioned earlier as being absorbed might be different depending upon whether we are eating eggs or soybean flour then?

calories- I am sure this was a guide line for the basic person.

the body uses fats and carb for energy : When you exercise.What if there are no carbs present like in that Keto diet you referred to earlier? We just burn all fat?

Burning calories, This is base on a normal person activity level, Sleeping 72?, sitting 72-84, walking (3.5mph) 336-420and so on.

But thanks for taking the time to review my Post, I only did this cause I am always using others info and though since I was trying to learn, I should type up what I got and give it to other.

Thanks again.

[strong_web]

Keto diet- From what I picked up on, if you are eating enough protein and fats, you should only been burning fat, and get low energy. But for a guide line, your urine may change colour this mean you are lacking glycogen. and you should increase your carbs.

[gbrice75]

Lmao, FG you're killing me!!!

[FireGuy]

What??

[FireGuy]

Keto diet- From what I picked up on, if you are eating enough protein and fats, you should only been burning fat, and get low energy. But for a guide line, your urine may change colour this mean you are lacking glycogen. and you should increase your carbs.

I thought the whole idea behind this keto idea was to make yourself low on glycogen?

[strong_web]

I thought the whole idea behind this keto idea was to make yourself low on glycogen?

This info I am grabbing, isn't off my head, you guys would know the best, but with gbrice saying you are killing him, sound like your f*ckin with my head, All I am trying to do is learn and help others understand.

[gbrice75]

Sorry strong, I'm sure he's not. I was referring to how dense he was being... and I was drunk to boot. Just ignore me! =P

[strong_web]

Sorry strong, I'm sure he's not. I was referring to how dense he was being... and I was drunk to boot. Just ignore me! =P

Know hurt feelings. Just a rookie trying to help myself and others.

[FireGuy]

Know hurt feelings. Just a rookie trying to help myself and others.

I am sorry, I was messing with you at first and it went a bit further than I thought it would. Again, my apologies. You obviously have very good intentions and had I known that from the beginning I would not have choosen to respond how I did.

My honest thoughts. You obviously meant well and put quite a bit of time writing what you did. It is also evident you wrote it and didnt do a copy and paste which is also commendable. Unfortunately a great deal of what you wrote was false and there were way too many absolutes as far as the statements you made. Glad to see you are spending time reading and learning. That is how we all should start out. Once again, sorry for the way I conducted myself in my previous comments.

[strong_web]

How are we rookie going to get anything from people like this, I can put something in and hear bullsh*T. I think as for experts you should be understanding, not trying to play games though the computer. Its hard to learn when you get messed around with.

But not to worrie cause other have gave me good info, but think I am off to a new member board like bodybuilder, this server has to much bull!

[jimmyinkedup]

How are we rookie going to get anything from people like this, I can put something in and hear bullsh*T. I think as for experts you should be understanding, not trying to play games though the computer. Its hard to learn when you get messed around with.

But not to worrie cause other have gave me good info, but think I am off to a new member board like bodybuilder, this server has to much bull!

Do whatever you wish , go wherever you wish. I will say thius, I have been to every board on the net - if you are looking to- as you put it- "get something" you will not find a better resource on the net than this board. Whether it be diet , workout , steroids , any bodybuilding topic this board is by far the best - real , unbiased accurate experience based info. Do not be thin skinned - see this for what it was. People apologized. Look you cant just research the net and compile random info and think it is 100% accurate. Not everything you read is true or translates to real world results. That is what this site offers - knowledge along with real world experince that is invaluable. I would research but use this board as a soundboatrd for what you find. You can compare what you read with real world experince of those that live this lifestyle. That along with your own experience will give you ACCURATE information. Also realize there are few concrete "truths" when it comes to some topics and how people respond.
I wish you all the best - do what you want but know this - the board has been and will be fine without you. It would be great to have a knowledge hungry, new member like yourself , you could learn and share alot here , but the board will be fine either way.

[SlimmerMe]

I understand how you feel Strong Web. I do. And we do need members like you. So please hang around and continue to make us all continue to think. Do not go anywhere else please. I enjoyed reading your post. And to put out something like you did will encourage a rebuttal. That is why this forum exist. Many opinions. Many. Some opinions you might like. Some not.

You just cannot take it personally. Gotta get some thicker skin. There is a lot of testosterone around here. A LOT. So much so there is a lack of nurturing estrogen. LOL!

STAY! I bet if you do you will end up love being here as well as a well respected member too. WE CERTAINLY ALL KNOW WHO YOU ARE NOW!!!

HEY! Who knows....you might end up writing the best stickie of the year. Ya just never know. And then who will get the last laugh?

AND THIS WAS POST 5,000 just so ya know!!! YIPPY!

[strong_web]

Well I never take anything to the heart, especially over a computer!

And I have been to other forum and this one was the best for info and all, and for the use of roids. But when you try to learn and get bull, its hard to trust if the guy behide the computer is telling you the right info.

Just going to put this post of my behide me and move on! Thanks

[SlimmerMe]

Well I never take anything to the heart, especially over a computer!

And I have been to other forum and this one was the best for info and all, and for the use of roids. But when you try to learn and get bull, its hard to trust if the guy behide the computer is telling you the right info.

Just going to put this post of my behide me and move on! Thanks

GOOD IDEA! I have had to do the same sometimes. Kinda an initiation I suppose.

[Damienm05]

Well, my day is made. @Fireguy