Cutting Diet--All Critiques/Advice Requested and Welcomed

**jerseykid23** · 02-17-2004, 03:52 PM

First time on a cutting diet, been bulking for two years. Let the first time be the right way.

Meal 1-around 930AM-10
Protein Shake-60g protein, 3 gram carbs

Meal 2-around 1130
Salad with ranch dressing with chicken and tuna bits

Meal 3-around 1-130
two large chicken breasts with bbq sauce

Meal 4-pre workout, around 4
small can of tuna

Meal 5-post workout, around 715 right after workout
two chicken breasts with bbq and white rice and some sort of green vegetable (broccolli, string beans)

Meal 6-around 1130-12 before bed
Optimum Pro Complex protein shake (same in morning)

Cardio 6 times a week, 40mins/day
Weight training 5 times a week, 50 mins/day

I drink only water, upwards of a gallon a day and occassionally skim milk.

Any and all comments are very much appreciated.

**Kim2884** · 02-17-2004, 06:48 PM

BBQ sauce has a good amount of sugar in it, i wouldn't use so much if it if I were you...you definitely need some more fat throughout the day, especially since your carbs are low, and ranch dressing isn't the best place to get it. you need some EFAs and other unsaturated fats from flax oil, nuts, or fatty fish. Post workout, you don't need the green vegetables because the fiber will slow the absorption of protein and carbs into your depleted muscles....you could use some more green vegetables elsewhere, however.

**spywizard** · 02-17-2004, 07:14 PM

yea......... looks. good.... change the white to brown rice...

need to know the stats on the shakes... i don't like to rely on them alot...

you want to cut the sugar... the bbq sauce depends on which one you get... you want one that is >2gr per serving..

and 1 1/2-2 gallons of water.........

**gdwygd** · 02-17-2004, 08:55 PM

I dont use too much BBQ sauce but I will keep that in mind. Sometimes I eat it plain or with ketchup.

Do I need to up my carbs to preserve the mass that I have attained? Maybe some oatmeal in the morning would be a good idea.

I will cut the green veggies at dinner, how about the idea of a potato with sour cream? Maybe add some fruit with the chicken at lunchtime.

I use low fat mayo sometimes with the tuna...

Protein Shake Stats:
260 Calories
3g of fat and carbs
55g of protein

Thanks guys

**jerseykid23** · 02-17-2004, 08:57 PM

That last post was me on my old name. My fault guys.

**spywizard** · 02-17-2004, 09:01 PM

Ketchup is really high in sugar... that is the enemy... even fruit has too many, and carrots.... all bad for this use........

if you cycle using this guidlines... you won't have to worry too much about catobolic effects.......

Originally Posted by gdwygd

I dont use too much BBQ sauce but I will keep that in mind. Sometimes I eat it plain or with ketchup.

Do I need to up my carbs to preserve the mass that I have attained? Maybe some oatmeal in the morning would be a good idea.

I will cut the green veggies at dinner, how about the idea of a potato with sour cream? Maybe add some fruit with the chicken at lunchtime.

I use low fat mayo sometimes with the tuna...

Protein Shake Stats:
260 Calories
3g of fat and carbs
55g of protein

Thanks guys

**bigsd67** · 02-17-2004, 09:05 PM

reply in caps...

Originally Posted by jerseykid23

First time on a cutting diet, been bulking for two years. Let the first time be the right way.

Meal 1-around 930AM-10
Protein Shake-60g protein, 3 gram carbs
THROW IN ONE OR TWO TBS. OF FLAX OIL HERE (EFA'S ARE ESSENTIAL AND IT WILL HELP SLOW THE PROTEIN ABOSRPTION TO GET THE MOST OUT OF THE SHAKE)
Meal 2-around 1130
Salad with ranch dressing with chicken and tuna bits
I WOULD USE HALF RANCH AND HALF OLIVE OIL TO GET SOME HEALTHIER FATS IN THE SALAD, OR YOU CAN THROW IN A HALF SERVING OF WALNUTS FOR SOME HEALTHIER FATS.
Meal 3-around 1-130
two large chicken breasts with bbq sauce
LIKE EVERYONE SAID, LOSE THE BBQ SAUCE OR TRY A SUGAR FREE VERSION. IF YOU MUST USE IT THEN MEASURE OUT A PORTION OR HALF AND SPREAD THINLY OVER THE BREAST.
Meal 4-pre workout, around 4
small can of tuna
ADD SOME FULL FAT MAYO OR OLIVE OIL TO GET SOME FATS IN
Meal 5-post workout, around 715 right after workout
two chicken breasts with bbq and white rice and some sort of green vegetable (broccolli, string beans)
I WOULD EAT THIS FOR MEAL SIX ONE HOUR AFTER YOUR POST WORKOUT MEAL
Meal 6-around 1130-12 before bed
Optimum Pro Complex protein shake (same in morning)
SEE ABOVE....FOR PWO SHAKE GET ABOUT 30G OF PROTEIN AND 60-70G OF HIGH GI CARBS, PREFERABLY DEXTROSE/MALTODEXTRIN MIX

OVERALL YOU NEED TO UP YOUR FAT INTAKE BECAUSE WHEN LOWERING CARBS THIS WILL HELP KEEP THE MUSCLE ON. DEXTROSE/MALTODEXTRIN POST WORKOUT IS KEY TO FEED YOUR MUSCLES AND THEN ONE HOUR LATER THE CHICKEN AND RICE TO CONTINUE THE PROCESS OF RESTORING GLYCOGEN. CHECK OUT THE UNOFFICIAL CUTTING GUIDE ABOVE FOR MORE TIPS. IT WORKS BRO TRUST ME.

Cardio 6 times a week, 40mins/day
Weight training 5 times a week, 50 mins/day

I drink only water, upwards of a gallon a day and occassionally skim milk.
I SUGGEST 1.5 TO 2 GALLONS TO LOSE ANY WATER GAINED FROM SODIUM AND DONT INGEST MILK SO OFTEN..IT'S PURE SUGAR, IF YOU LIKE DAIRY GIVE HOOD LOW CARB MILK A TRY VERY GOOD AND ONLY 3 CARBS PER SERVING.
Any and all comments are very much appreciated.

**daman1** · 02-17-2004, 09:06 PM

RESPONDING IN CAPS.

Originally Posted by jerseykid23

First time on a cutting diet, been bulking for two years. Let the first time be the right way.

WHAT TIMES ARE YOU DOING CARDIO? IF FIRST THING IN THE A.M. THEN SCRAP THE CARBS AND HAVE A PROTEIN/FAT MEAL P.W.

Meal 1-around 930AM-10
Protein Shake-60g protein, 3 gram carbs

THROW IN SOME SLOW BURNING PROTEIN SUCH AS CASEINATE. ALSO, THROW IN A CUP OF OATMEAL, PLAIN.

Meal 2-around 1130
Salad with ranch dressing with chicken and tuna bits

SCARP THE RANCH DRESSING AND THROW IN SOME EFA'S

Meal 3-around 1-130
two large chicken breasts with bbq sauce

KICK BBQ SAUCE AND THROW IN SOME FATS.

Meal 4-pre workout, around 4
small can of tuna

THROW IN SOME FAST DIGESTING CARBS.

Meal 5-post workout, around 715 right after workout
two chicken breasts with bbq and white rice and some sort of green vegetable (broccolli, string beans)

YOU NEED SOME QUICK DIGESTING CARBS AND PROTEINS P.W. USE THIS MEAL ABOUT AN HOUR AFTER WORKOUT AND THROW OUT BBQ SAUCE AND SWITCH WHITE RICE TO BROWN.

Meal 6-around 1130-12 before bed
Optimum Pro Complex protein shake (same in morning)

MIX IN SOME EFA'S HERE POSSIBLY IF YOU DIDN'T EARLIER. ALSO, USE A SLOW DIGESTING PROTEIN BEFORE BED.

Cardio 6 times a week, 40mins/day
Weight training 5 times a week, 50 mins/day

I drink only water, upwards of a gallon a day and occassionally skim milk.

AND AS SPYWIZARD SAID, UP WATER INTAKE TO AT LEAST 1 1/2 GALLONS A DAY. I WOULD ALSO ADVISE AGAINST THE USE OF SKIM MILK.

Any and all comments are very much appreciated.

**bigsd67** · 02-17-2004, 09:07 PM

i beat ya to it daman...

**daman1** · 02-17-2004, 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by bigsd67

i beat ya to it daman...

**** you

**DNoMac** · 02-17-2004, 11:12 PM

DAMAN-why no skin milk?

**Elliot** · 02-17-2004, 11:18 PM

milk = sugar

**bigsd67** · 02-18-2004, 06:23 AM

agreed elliot...milk has 13 grams of pure sugar per serving..though it's supposedly low GI so is pasta, so you can always go by that...like i said bro give a shot to HOOD Low Carb Milk....it has 12 grams of protein from whey, 3g carbs cuz it's sweetened with splenda and they have a fat free, 2%, full fat, and 2% chocolate version....the chocolate is soooo good.....4.5g fat per 8oz. serving and only 3 carbs....outstanding way to have a treat now and then.

**jerseykid23** · 02-18-2004, 12:25 PM

Thanks to everyone for the input.

Bottom line: Up fats and carbs to preserve mass. Stay away from ketchup, too much bbq, milk and

DaMan: cardio is directly after my workouts.

My last question... since most of you recommended pushing my dinner back so it's not right after my workout, would 3 shakes a day hurt? One in the morning with the EFAs, one after I work out with enough carbs, and then a slow absorbing shake at night before bed? I'm not a huge fan of shakes, I try to limit their use.

**daman1** · 02-18-2004, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by jerseykid23

Thanks
My last question... since most of you recommended pushing my dinner back so it's not right after my workout, would 3 shakes a day hurt? One in the morning with the EFAs, one after I work out with enough carbs, and then a slow absorbing shake at night before bed? I'm not a huge fan of shakes, I try to limit their use.

Not at all. Your right on track! Good luck with your ventures bro!