Carbs and Cutting 101?

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02-26-2004, 03:11 AM
InsaneInTheMembrane

Carbs and Cutting 101?

OK, I've read up and **researched** tons of threads and articles on nutrition....and u must agree, there are many conflicting opinions when it come to carbs and dieting. However, I was able to "distill" , what i like to call, "basic rules for cutting"...Please correct me if there is any factual arror

1. After AM Cardio on an empty stomach, consume brekfast with hi protein, hi fat and moderate to low carbs using slow releasing carbs like oats.

2. Very low carbs (in the form ov greens/veggies) for the remainder meals except pre workout post workout

3. Consume quick acting carbs in preworkout meal for energy during training.

4. Consume quick acting carbs in postworkout meal for replenishment

5. Carb intake, depending on size and metabolism, should roughly be between 50-150 grams (approx 0.5g per lb) and the breakfast, pre and postworkout meals should comprise 75 - 80% of total carb intake.

OK, am i off base with these general rules? I welcome all criticisms and affirmations.

cheers
02-26-2004, 06:52 AM
bigsd67

some suggestions in caps...

Quote:

Originally Posted by PecDec

OK, I've read up and **researched** tons of threads and articles on nutrition....and u must agree, there are many conflicting opinions when it come to carbs and dieting. However, I was able to "distill" , what i like to call, "basic rules for cutting"...Please correct me if there is any factual arror

1. After AM Cardio on an empty stomach, consume brekfast with hi protein, hi fat and moderate to low carbs using slow releasing carbs like oats.

2. Very low carbs (in the form ov greens/veggies) for the remainder meals except pre workout post workout

3. Consume quick acting carbs in preworkout meal for energy during training.
THIS I DONT AGREE WITH....I EAT PROTEIN FAT MEALS BEFORE TRAINING AND HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH ENERGY...I'D USE THIS MEAL FOR MY SECOND POST WORKOUT MEAL TO CONTINUE FEEDING MUSCLES....I EAT CHICKEN AND POTATOES, OR YAMS OR OATS OR BROWN RICE IN MY SECOND POSTWORKOUT MEAL
4. Consume quick acting carbs in postworkout meal for replenishment
DEXTROSE IS TOP CHOICE...CARBS LIKE SUCROSE (TABLE SUGAR) AND FRUCTOSE (FRUIT) RESTORE LIVER GLYCOGEN...DEXTROSE/MALTODEXTRIN MIX WILL RESTORE MUSCLE GLYCOGEN
5. Carb intake, depending on size and metabolism, should roughly be between 50-150 grams (approx 0.5g per lb) and the breakfast, pre and postworkout meals should comprise 75 - 80% of total carb intake.
I TAKE IN 130 GRAMS TOTAL...I SAY GO WITH .8G PER KG OF LEAN MASS OF CARBS FOR PWO AND THEN .4G PER KG OF LBM OF CARBS IN THE SECOND MEAL AFTER YOUR PWO SHAKE...I ONLY CONSUME LOW GI CARBS FOR BREAKFAST WHEN I DONT DO CARDIO IN THE AM...AND ONCE AGAIN I DONT AGREE WITH CARBS PRE WORKOUT....NOT NECCESSARY IN MY OPINION....THE SECOND POST WORKOUT MEAL CARBS ARE MORE IMPORTANT TO RETORE GLYCOGEN.

OK, am i off base with these general rules? I welcome all criticisms and affirmations.

cheers
02-26-2004, 10:19 AM
AbsolutelyLethal

I follow the same thing Bigsd does...Protein and fat pre-workout, .8 carbs for PWO shake and .4 carbs for PPWO meal, for me thats roughly like 58 and like 29 carbs respectively. No carbs in the morning if I'm doing cardio in the morning...

No problem with energy...Pop a bronkaid(ephedrine) 20-30 minutes before workouts and Im pumped. Cardio in itself pumps me up, energizes me when Im done, but with the bronkaid the effect is magnified...Im still sweating like an hour later while sitting in class....HAAH This is despite drinking like 2-3 pints of water after the cardio...
02-26-2004, 10:35 AM
daman1

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigsd67

some suggestions in caps...

I belive you can take some quick digesting carbs pre-workout. I have done both pro/fat and pro/carb meals preworkout with good success.
02-26-2004, 11:13 AM
Valmont

The difference between good success and great success in you workouts in pre-workout carbs.

Peace
02-26-2004, 11:54 AM
J-F

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valmont

The difference between good success and great success in you workouts in pre-workout carbs.

Peace

Elaborate this one please :scratch:
02-26-2004, 01:40 PM
longhornDr

The cardinal rule of cutting is to never mix fat and carbs, so I would disagree with your #1 there.

I eat protein/fat meals after am cardio while cutting, and only eat carbs postworkout.

Eating a high fat/high protein meal with oatmeal will cause all the fat to be stored.
02-26-2004, 02:58 PM
SwoleCat

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valmont

The difference between good success and great success in you workouts in pre-workout carbs.

Peace

Stated the same idea in another thread, but it's not concise.

What you eat before working out is not responsible for any energy/glycogen levels. Those take many hours on end to build up from the ingestion of carbs.
One small protein/carb meal before a workout is not going to give you any more of a boost than a fat/protein meal. The nutrients simply don't have enough time to be stored and utilized for any type of fuel for that workout.

~SC~
02-26-2004, 10:14 PM
InsaneInTheMembrane

Hey bros,

thanx for the heads up. I think i get it now...esp with the pre-workout meals not necessarily having to be carb based as it has minimum effect on training.
02-27-2004, 10:05 AM
daman1

Quote:

Originally Posted by PecDec

Hey bros,

thanx for the heads up. I think i get it now...esp with the pre-workout meals not necessarily having to be carb based as it has minimum effect on training.

Good deal. Keep us informed on your progress and good luck!