Dairy and Bloat?

**BrownBomber** · 03-06-2004, 11:51 AM

IS it the sugars (lactose) in dairy that causes one to bloat? Or is it the process of making dairy (if there even is a process) or just dairy that makes you bloat?

The reason I ask is in regards to the new Atkins or Low Carb milk thats out. I owuld love to incorporate it into my diet but wouldn't if it bloats me like Skim milk does.

Thanks
BB

**daman1** · 03-06-2004, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by BrownBomber

IS it the sugars (lactose) in dairy that causes one to bloat? Or is it the process of making dairy (if there even is a process) or just dairy that makes you bloat?

The reason I ask is in regards to the new Atkins or Low Carb milk thats out. I owuld love to incorporate it into my diet but wouldn't if it bloats me like Skim milk does.

Thanks
BB

The sugar aspect is the part I hate about skim milk. But some would suffice it to say state dairy as a whole causes excess bloat. Are you doing the Atkin's dieting?

**johnsomebody** · 03-06-2004, 12:55 PM

I drink a ton of sk milk and I'm totally confused about the sugar issue. The FDA site lists the Glycemic Index of Skim milk as actually below that of brown rice yet people always say to avoid skim milk because of the sugar.

**Kim2884** · 03-06-2004, 01:59 PM

john- you and me both. lactose is not a high-GI sugar, but people still avoid it. I don't have a lot of milk products in my diet, but i don't go out of my way to avoid them either. As for the bloating issue...people say it happens in practice, but I've never noticed it myself, and there isn't any reasoning to explain if and why it happens. I've actually tried to do some research on it, and all I found was one source saying that the fat in dairy products is more likely to be stored sub-cutaneously, which could account for a bloated appearance...but if that's why, then it shouldn't apply to nonfat dairy products. I don't get it either. To each his own.

As for the low-carb milk...i've been using that stuff a lot and i don't see why it would be detrimental even if you believe dairy is detrimental. It has very few carbs and fat and doesn't contain a whole lot of actual milk . It's basically like a milk-flavored protein shake.

**daman1** · 03-06-2004, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by Kim2884

john- you and me both. lactose is not a high-GI sugar, but people still avoid it. I don't have a lot of milk products in my diet, but i don't go out of my way to avoid them either. As for the bloating issue...people say it happens in practice, but I've never noticed it myself, and there isn't any reasoning to explain if and why it happens. I've actually tried to do some research on it, and all I found was one source saying that the fat in dairy products is more likely to be stored sub-cutaneously, which could account for a bloated appearance...but if that's why, then it shouldn't apply to nonfat dairy products. I don't get it either. To each his own.

As for the low-carb milk...i've been using that stuff a lot and i don't see why it would be detrimental even if you believe dairy is detrimental. It has very few carbs and fat and doesn't contain a whole lot of actual milk . It's basically like a milk-flavored protein shake.

1) Dairy lends a smooth look to one while cutting
2) Milk has carbs, ALL the carbs in milk are SUGAR.
3) Humans are the only species to drink the milk of another species.
4) The GI value is listed as such, but you'd know from research that milk illicits a much higher insulin response than the GI suggests it will. Besides, low/high or not, pure sugar just ain't a good idea!

**tatertoos** · 03-06-2004, 03:25 PM

3) Humans are the only species to drink the milk of another species.

D,

I thought all were relevant points but this one

What exactly are you trying to add to this discussion by stating this? If human breast milk was on the shelves I'd drink that, but it's not a perfect world

Humans, also, use insulin made in pig pancreases and bacteria cultures; although, you won't hear many complaints from diabetics about that. (Since it keeps them alive...)

**johnsomebody** · 03-06-2004, 03:44 PM

My understanding is that human breast milk is way higher in carbs than cow's milk so I wouldn't touch the stuff myself.

I don't think it's exactly correcte that sugar is sugar -lactose and galactose, the sugars in milk, are totally different animals than sucrose. Plus aren't all carbs, including brown rice, reduced to sugars when digested? If lactose has a lower GI than brown rice, doesn't that mean its broken down more slowly independent of its original form since the ultimate product is glycogen in either case?

**SwoleCat** · 03-07-2004, 08:34 AM

The reason he stated humans are the only to drink milk of another species, is because it's really not "natural" to do so. The food chain showcases animals eating the flesh of the other animals, yes, but never drinking milk from them. Humans are the only ones to do this, and it's because we have better thinking/reasoning skills, but in all actuality having no milk in your diet/life would not lead to any nutritional gaps whatsoever, and I totally agree.

~SC~

**BrokenBricks** · 03-07-2004, 09:00 AM

Originally Posted by tatertoos

If human breast milk was on the shelves I'd drink that, but it's not a perfect world

GROSS!!

I think our bodies are designed to respond in a certain way to milk. As babies we need to pack oun weight fast like no other time in our lives. A compound in milk may have been given the role of stimulating insulin strongly to keep up with all the growth.

I always found my diet worked better and water weight went down when i cut out milk.

**Kim2884** · 03-07-2004, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by johnsomebody

My understanding is that human breast milk is way higher in carbs than cow's milk so I wouldn't touch the stuff myself.

I don't think it's exactly correcte that sugar is sugar -lactose and galactose, the sugars in milk, are totally different animals than sucrose. Plus aren't all carbs, including brown rice, reduced to sugars when digested? If lactose has a lower GI than brown rice, doesn't that mean its broken down more slowly independent of its original form since the ultimate product is glycogen in either case?

These are my thoughts, too...all carbs contain sugars. In fact, 1/2 cup of oats contains more glucose molecules than a cup of skim milk does. But we're not going to avoid oats because of the sugars in it....milk's sugar is slow-digesting by nature, and it also has lactic acid to further contribute to its low GI value, the same as oats have fiber to slow its digestion. Oh well, i'm tired of the dairy debate. Everyone should just try both ways and see which works best for them. I've never noticed a difference myself, but some people undoubtedly have. I know people's bodies handle lactose very differently, so maybe this is just something to be judged on an individual basis.

**will86** · 03-07-2004, 02:58 PM

I used to chug milk like nothing back when i was a little boy and i grew like no other, but i completely stopped drinking milk last year and i haven't grown since. I'm 17 years old and 5'11 now and my brother who is a year older than me is 6'2. Is it a coincidence that i stopped growing due to lack of milk or did my growth plates just close already?

**bigsd67** · 03-07-2004, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by daman1

4) The GI value is listed as such, but you'd know from research that milk illicits a much higher insulin response than the GI suggests it will. Besides, low/high or not, pure sugar just ain't a good idea!

On another note, according to the articles on insulin index and all that happy stuff, beef illicits a higher insulin response than a lot of high GI carbs. just something to ponder...personally i dont eat much dairy anyway except a slice of cheese every fews days or a half cup of the low carb milk. so far i dont seem bloated and i look decent.

**SwoleCat** · 03-07-2004, 08:06 PM

It's a coincidene Will, for Lord's sake you are 17............men can grow until about age 25........milk ain't got sh*t to do w/your lack of progress, your indecisiveness is what it holding you back.

~SC~

**Kim2884** · 03-07-2004, 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by SwoleCat

It's a coincidene Will, for Lord's sake you are 17............men can grow until about age 25........milk ain't got sh*t to do w/your lack of progress, your indecisiveness is what it holding you back.

~SC~

**SwoleCat** · 03-07-2004, 10:42 PM

Honestly, I didn't say that to clown on him, nor down him in any way. However, what strikes me in the head like a stray brick, is how out of all the different posts I view from him, and stages of confusion in the questions that he asks that I see, how drinking milk could possibly be the lone culprit in the lack of process.

I'd say it's every other reason BUT milk if anything. Again, not being condescending, but don't go grab a quart of milk thinkin' "yeah, now I'm gonna get big again!!!" cuz that ain't how it works.

Glad u laughed though,

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~SC~

**Elliot** · 03-07-2004, 11:02 PM

Originally Posted by SwoleCat

It's a coincidene Will, for Lord's sake you are 17............men can grow until about age 25........milk ain't got sh*t to do w/your lack of progress, your indecisiveness is what it holding you back.

~SC~

SWOLE THIS HAD TO BE SAID THANK YOU VERY MUCH

**bigsd67** · 03-08-2004, 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by SwoleCat

Honestly, I didn't say that to clown on him, nor down him in any way. However, what strikes me in the head like a stray brick, is how out of all the different posts I view from him, and stages of confusion in the questions that he asks that I see, how drinking milk could possibly be the lone culprit in the lack of process.

I'd say it's every other reason BUT milk if anything. Again, not being condescending, but don't go grab a quart of milk thinkin' "yeah, now I'm gonna get big again!!!" cuz that ain't how it works.

Glad u laughed though,

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~SC~

confusion will definitely kill your goals...last year i wanted to bulk and i decided stupidly to run a cycle with it (too young for all you newbies that wanna cycle) well it was a good one because i gained about 30lbs. unfortunately i did gain fat, although not an incredible amount i didnt like it. i was 11% to start and probably got up to 13 or 14% so i went right into a strict cutting diet in a severe caloric deficit. i ended up losing most of what i gained because i didnt ease into the cutter in fear that i was too fat. so there ya go a perfect example of how being confused about goals can mess up your gains. now im happy where im at and dont think ill do any type of bulking til my BF is low enough to where i wont look like a fat @ss when bulking.

**will86** · 03-08-2004, 12:37 PM

Hey swole, how does my indecisiveness have anything to do with me growing in height?

**SwoleCat** · 03-08-2004, 12:50 PM

You missed the point, and that was that milk has nothing to do with you growing in height, growth plates closing, etc. You just grow faster at times than others, hence "growth spurts".

My mention of indecisiveness is in regards to your posts here and growth of your physique, as one minute you are cutting, then bulking, then not sure, then getting frustrated, etc. From all of your posts, I sense you don't stick to a plan of attack long enough to see it through, and that is why I posted the "indecisiveness". I was thinking of "growing" as not just height, but also physique development.

Glad to clear that up for you.

~SC~