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    Miserable on tren and test!!

    Almost done my 10 week cycle of tren ace and sus (400). I accidentally called it sus 250 in an earlier thread. Anyway I can't wait to end this cycle. The sus has me so miserable! I've been in more fights in the last ten weeks then I've been in the last ten years. I've never had such great workouts but if I were to stay on it much longer I'm pretty sure I'd be getting divorced. The only three things I think about are sex, the gym and punching people in the face!

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    That's ridiculous. You need to get a handle on yourself, and get it together. Shifting the blame to your cycle and AAS use means you are absolving yourself of all responsibility - and that is absolutely rediculous.

    If you plan on using any AAS, make sure to keep a level head at all times and be aware of yourself and all of your actions. YOU are responsible for your actions, not some oil in a vial. And most of all: maintain proper discipline and self control when necessary. If you can't be responsible, you need to get off the juice ASAP and stay away from it for good. AAS might have the propensity to increase aggression but it certainly does not impair your judgement! This isn't alcohol or PCP here. Ultimately, if you end up doing something that happens to land you in a world of shit, the blame is on YOU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atomini
    That's ridiculous. You need to get a handle on yourself, and get it together. Shifting the blame to your cycle and AAS use means you are absolving yourself of all responsibility - and that is absolutely rediculous.

    If you plan on using any AAS, make sure to keep a level head at all times and be aware of yourself and all of your actions. YOU are responsible for your actions, not some oil in a vial. And most of all: maintain proper discipline and self control when necessary. If you can't be responsible, you need to get off the juice ASAP and stay away from it for good. AAS might have the propensity to increase aggression but it certainly does not impair your judgement! This isn't alcohol or PCP here. Ultimately, if you end up doing something that happens to land you in a world of shit, the blame is on YOU.
    Understood, I've just never experienced such anger. I find that I'm so angry, I grind my jaw constantly. Btw the fights I've been in were while I was drinking. I might stick with test e next time, I don't get angry at all with it. The sus just makes me feel like a lunatic!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1wheelr1 View Post
    Understood, I've just never experienced such anger. I find that I'm so angry, I grind my jaw constantly. Btw the fights I've been in were while I was drinking. I might stick with test e next time, I don't get angry at all with it. The sus just makes me feel like a lunatic!
    Well there you go, you just answered your own questions.

    I don't understand why people use selective observation with this stuff. Someone goes out drinking, gets into a fight and then they think "gee it must have been the steroids i'm taking". It couldn't in a million years have been the excessive alcohol consumption, could it? Same line of stupid reasoning religious people use: "I had a headache... I took a tylenol, and then I prayed to God to cure my headache. An hour later, my headache was gone! Praise God!". Nevermind that tylenol!

    I really don't believe anabolic steroids can just create a rage-driven person out of nowhere when they start to cycle. Most people I know who claim to have serious anger issues while on cycle, were ALL hot heads to some varying degree before they started using. If you have a big problem controlling your anger and impulsive temper, then you shouldn't be using AAS. Like I said before already, if you do a cycle and you insist it caused you to do stupid things that ruined your life and landed you in jail, or got you divorced or something, you're still responsible.

    Trenbolone doesn't punch people in the face or beat your wife - YOU do, when you absolve yourself of proper discipline and self control (i'm just using this as an example, not saying this is you).

    Btw this thread shouldn't be in the UGL labs section, it should be in the AAS Q & A forum.

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    Why is this in the UGl section? Either way, I guess the juice can push your anger a bit. But, when I did my test only cycle I never really felt more pissed off or anything. I haven't seen any other posts of people flipping out when on Tren either. But, it does hit people differently.

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    You see, what I think is this: most of these cases of people claiming to suddenly develop uncontrollable rage-driven behavior while on cycle are all placebos. I believe they are all placebos created from the constant re-assertions of things like 'roid-rage', 'increased aggression', etc. that are expounded by the media and many anabolic steroid resources.

    When you tell people something enough over and over, eventually they will start to really believe it (ultimately subconsciously even) whether or not it is a lie or an exaggeration. Therefore, when some people jump on a cycle, in the deep back of their minds, that whole reinforcement of the idea of 'roid-rage', 'aggression', and 'anger' is there. They subconsciously (or even consciously) worry about it. As they start to use AAS, inevitably the aggression and anger manifests itself - not because of the AAS, but because essentially these people have subconsciouly convinced themselves (or have been convinced) that they're going to experience aggression, etc.

    I have NEVER EVER had an issue with anger or rage on-cycle. EVER. I never get any more angry at things than I normally do when off-cycle. And when/if I do get angry, I can easily have the self-discipline to control it or channel it into other pathways. And I am huge trenbolone user. I have a few friends who, prior to cycling, were constantly worried about the 'increased aggression' they claim to consistenly read about when they did their research into AAS. You see people worringly asking about these side effects all the time. Most of the time, its because they are already people with anger control issues prior to using AAS. Other people worry about it so much that they MAKE it a placebo side effect when they cycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atomini

    Well there you go, you just answered your own questions.

    I don't understand why people use selective observation with this stuff. Someone goes out drinking, gets into a fight and then they think "gee it must have been the steroids i'm taking". It couldn't in a million years have been the excessive alcohol consumption, could it? Same line of stupid reasoning religious people use: "I had a headache... I took a tylenol, and then I prayed to God to cure my headache. An hour later, my headache was gone! Praise God!". Nevermind that tylenol!

    I really don't believe anabolic steroids can just create a rage-driven person out of nowhere when they start to cycle. Most people I know who claim to have serious anger issues while on cycle, were ALL hot heads to some varying degree before they started using. If you have a big problem controlling your anger and impulsive temper, then you shouldn't be using AAS. Like I said before already, if you do a cycle and you insist it caused you to do stupid things that ruined your life and landed you in jail, or got you divorced or something, you're still responsible.

    Trenbolone doesn't punch people in the face or beat your wife - YOU do, when you absolve yourself of proper discipline and self control (i'm just using this as an example, not saying this is you).

    Btw this thread shouldn't be in the UGL labs section, it should be in the AAS Q & A forum.
    Your right bro, I'm sorry I've vented on here. I'll get a grip... Btw Ive never hit a woman, that's just not me. You've succeeded in making me feel like an dickhead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by < <Samson> >
    Why is this in the UGl section? Either way, I guess the juice can push your anger a bit. But, when I did my test only cycle I never really felt more pissed off or anything. I haven't seen any other posts of people flipping out when on Tren either. But, it does hit people differently.
    Test e had no effect on my anger but sus 400 has made me miserable to the point I don't even talk to anyone because I have nothing nice to say. I'm not normally an angry person. Anger and lust are the only two emotions I have. No worries only two more weeks of my cycle, then it's back to the normal me.

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    I had no intentions of making you feel like a dickhead. I wanted you to try and shift your realization that its YOU who is ultimately in control of yourself, not some oil in a vial. If/when things get too hot and piss you off, you need to learn to just take a step back, take a breather, and look at the BIG picture before you decide to act on anything. And always think before you act. I understand when we get very angry (whether on AAS or not), we are in the heat of the moment and we tend to act without thinking beforehand. It behooves you to get into the habit of stopping yourself when you realize you're in the heat of the moment, and thinking before you act. And of course, alcohol should be a no-no if you find yourself getting into fights when you drink. Also realize that many times you'll have to swallow your pride. For many people, their ego and pride gets in the way and when in an escalating argument with people, they do everything they can to protect their ego and pride, which then leads to fights and escalated conflict and tension. Sometimes you just have to bite your tongue and say "sorry" to someone and humbly walk the other way, even though you may not like it, or may not want to, (or even knowing that you were in the right and he was in the wrong) because it just isn't worth getting yourself in serious shit over, you know what I mean?

    When you start to look at yourself as the ultimate arbiter of your actions and everything you do, you can find ways of controlling yourself and ultimately improve yourself and everything else you previously saw as big problems. It is when you start to shift the responsibility (basically blaimg) other things (the steroids , someone else, other people, other substances, etc.), that's when you end up in an uncontrollable spiral of problems happening over and over again.

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    Oh, and are you certain of your gear? Sometimes if it is contaminated with other chemicals or hormones that shouldn't even be in there in the first place, it can cause wild emotional highs and lows...

    I knew a guy once who got scammed and the vial of test he thought he had was really a vial of cortisol. Needless to say, depression hit him big time, he didn't know what was happening, and he lost ALL of his muscle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atomini
    I had no intentions of making you feel like a dickhead. I wanted you to try and shift your realization that its YOU who is ultimately in control of yourself, not some oil in a vial. If/when things get too hot and piss you off, you need to learn to just take a step back, take a breather, and look at the BIG picture before you decide to act on anything. And always think before you act. I understand when we get very angry (whether on AAS or not), we are in the heat of the moment and we tend to act without thinking beforehand. It behooves you to get into the habit of stopping yourself when you realize you're in the heat of the moment, and thinking before you act. And of course, alcohol should be a no-no if you find yourself getting into fights when you drink. Also realize that many times you'll have to swallow your pride. For many people, their ego and pride gets in the way and when in an escalating argument with people, they do everything they can to protect their ego and pride, which then leads to fights and escalated conflict and tension. Sometimes you just have to bite your tongue and say "sorry" to someone and humbly walk the other way, even though you may not like it, or may not want to, (or even knowing that you were in the right and he was in the wrong) because it just isn't worth getting yourself in serious shit over, you know what I mean?

    When you start to look at yourself as the ultimate arbiter of your actions and everything you do, you can find ways of controlling yourself and ultimately improve yourself and everything else you previously saw as big problems. It is when you start to shift the responsibility (basically blaimg) other things (the steroids, someone else, other people, other substances, etc.), that's when you end up in an uncontrollable spiral of problems happening over and over again.
    I know what you mean. Thanks for your insight. I will in the future try harder to keep a firm grip on the situation instead of being an out of control asshole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atomini
    Oh, and are you certain of your gear? Sometimes if it is contaminated with other chemicals or hormones that shouldn't even be in there in the first place, it can cause wild emotional highs and lows...

    I knew a guy once who got scammed and the vial of test he thought he had was really a vial of cortisol. Needless to say, depression hit him big time, he didn't know what was happening, and he lost ALL of his muscle.
    No it's the real deal I made the tren myself and the sus came in the scrip box unopened.

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    Great advice from Atomini. I've ran into extreme aggression while on Tren . But I've learned to take a step back. It's OK to feel some aggression, I actually enjoy it at the gym. It's certainly not ok to act on it towards others. But, 1wheelr1, you seem like you've taken what Atomini said without aggression, which tells me you will be doing much better going forward, because you want to fix this issue.

    Best of luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1wheelr1 View Post
    Understood, I've just never experienced such anger. I find that I'm so angry, I grind my jaw constantly. Btw the fights I've been in were while I was drinking. I might stick with test e next time, I don't get angry at all with it. The sus just makes me feel like a lunatic!
    sust and test e are no different and will make you feel the same. If anything its the tren . I have no patience on tren. But i dont i do control it
    If people can't tell your on steroids then your doing them wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by gixxerboy1 View Post
    sust and test e are no different and will make you feel the same. If anything its the tren. I have no patience on tren. But i dont i do control it
    ^^^ Exactly, its the tren bro...

    I was a cu*t on tren, could just snap in a second at things that wouldnt have normally got to me.... Ended up in hospital with a cut open hand on my last tren cycle

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    When I first started AAS I thought I was going to have the same "roid rage " but after I got on it I realized it is how you control yourself. I got into one bad argument with my old lady and I thought it was AAS but it was because I drank way too much alcohol. So I made a decision that alcohol was the main problem behind my anger/aggression so now when I am on AAS I don't consume alcohol. It is all how you control and conduct yourself as previously stated on this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite
    Great advice from Atomini. I've ran into extreme aggression while on Tren . But I've learned to take a step back. It's OK to feel some aggression, I actually enjoy it at the gym. It's certainly not ok to act on it towards others. But, 1wheelr1, you seem like you've taken what Atomini said without aggression, which tells me you will be doing much better going forward, because you want to fix this issue.

    Best of luck.
    Indeed bro, btw I've become a huge fan of Dana Linn Bailey since our last conversation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

    sust and test e are no different and will make you feel the same. If anything its the tren. I have no patience on tren. But i dont i do control it
    Well the only difference this time around is the sus, so I figured that had to be what was causing the issue.

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    I am two weeks in to my first Tren a 100 eod and sust 125 eod and I have had no sides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coolhand5599 View Post
    I am two weeks in to my first Tren a 100 eod and sust 125 eod and I have had no sides.
    Not to hijack, but what brand you using? 2 weeks on Tren A and I'm tan, Sweating with an all day pump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    Not to hijack, but what brand you using? 2 weeks on Tren A and I'm tan, Sweating with an all day pump.
    i would have sides in 2 weeks also
    If people can't tell your on steroids then your doing them wrong

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    Yup, i'm at the beginning of 3rd week with tren at 200mg EOD and i've got all the typical insomnia, sweating, etc.

    In regards to what gix said earlier about the testosterone , I was going to mention the same thing. Test is test, and if sustanon is causing a specific problem, then test E is going to do the same thing. No difference between the two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gixxerboy1 View Post
    sust and test e are no different and will make you feel the same. If anything its the tren. I have no patience on tren. But i dont i do control it
    Exactly right..And alchohol is making it worse! So stop tren and quit drinking it you can't get a grip on things because you never know when you will puch the wrong person and catch a bullet, etc.

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    I believe one of the biggest misconceptions of AAS is that it will turn u into something( lunatic, a-hole..etc) IMO AAS only amplifies what you are. OH and I would lay off the alcohol, give your liver a break, also its not a good mix in high doses.

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    Tren is the culprit and your test is probably just giving it the extra push.
    What is your dosage this cycle vs last cycle when you ran tren?
    Reason I ask is I've noticed tren sides are highly dependent on doses.
    High tren high test = high sides
    High tren low test = mild sides
    Mild tren high test = high sides
    Mild tren low test = no sides

    You're also using sust and I'm assuming you're using it incorrectly (dosing 2x week) which could be affecting your test levels.
    Sust should be dosed EOD or ED, otherwise it's a worthless ass compound. IMO Go fast or go slow just don't mix it all up and hope for the best like most do with sust
    Of course this is just my personal experience.
    The agitation certainly isn't a placebo effect.
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    BTW I don't agree with Atomini on the placebo thing. I had a buddy running tren and he did about zero research on it. We were waiting to get subs at a deli and the lady told him to speak up because he was kind of mumbling his order and he nearly jumped over the counter to choke the chick.
    Is he an asshole, yes of course. Even off cycle he's a dick but not usually so aggressive. When we walked outside he was all red in the face and I asked him wtf his deal was and he said "Bro I don't know, I've just been so ****ing pissed off lately for no reason, I feel like I want to rip everyones face off just for looking sideways at me" so I asked him what he was running and he said tren. Apparently he had no idea tren could cause aggressive sides. I've seen a few guys do this, others get zero sides. I have a buddy who can run marathons on tren, not me though. **** that. Everyone experiences sides differently.
    Me personally on high doses of tren I definitely feel the aggression but I don't let it control me, I acknowledge it and realize it's a side effect not an actual outside influence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    Not to hijack, but what brand you using? 2 weeks on Tren A and I'm tan, Sweating with an all day pump.
    It's from Euro-Quality Laboratories. It says 250mg blend 100 A and 150 E

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    Quote Originally Posted by ironbeck View Post
    I believe one of the biggest misconceptions of AAS is that it will turn u into something( lunatic, a-hole..etc) IMO AAS only amplifies what you are. OH and I would lay off the alcohol, give your liver a break, also its not a good mix in high doses.
    I agree, I have never had Roid rage . Only lack of sleep rage . Just found out I have sleep apnea, tomorrow I get soe stupid air machine I have to wear a mask at night

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    Yea I'm supposed to wear one as well, but instead I use a pure sleep mouht piece, it helps a lot just keeps falling out in the middle of the night.

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    i experience roid rage when i find out my gear is fake .. argh!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ironbeck View Post
    Yea I'm supposed to wear one as well, but instead I use a pure sleep mouht piece, it helps a lot just keeps falling out in the middle of the night.
    Pure sleep does work. I have used it but I find it uncomfortable. And it makes my lips chap real bad

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    Should have known or at least learned after the first drunk fight. Get your shit together man.

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