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    Cycles for the Newbie

    Cycles for the Newbie

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    Here is a person that I feel is ready to run their first cycle. A person that has reached at least the age 21 (IMO 25 is a better age), has their diet and training in check, and has also researched enough about AAS to not have to ask all the "newbie questions. Remember this is your body and these drugs that you're ingesting and injecting have both good and bad side effects.

    Here are some cycles to consider for a first time user of AAS. All cycles should be based off of test. But before jumping into one of these cycles please do your research. Remember with the good comes the bad. The bad being side effects from the use of AAS. I will not go into them here but if you do your homework you will know what sides you may see and how to avoid them.

    I’m a firm believer in starting anti-estrogens 2 weeks prior to the start of the cycle. This will allow more then enough time to get blood levels peaked. Also, I would also suggest running a SERM (Nolvadex ) and AI (arimidex , proviron , femera) together through the cycle.

    These are just a few of the many combinations of compounds that can be used in a first cycle. I feel that D-bol, EQ, and Winny are all very good to add to a first cycle to help things along but they are not necessary. I also feel that a long acting ester test is best for a first or even a second cycle. The reason is because of the amount of injections that are required by SUS, Prop, and Suspension.

    Below is the PCT protocol I use for most cycles. You could add 4 grams of Tribulus into PCT. There are plenty of studies that show the use of Tribulus will help increase LH levels. This is why it’s a good idea to use during the cycle as well.

    Day 1 300mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva / .25mg L-dex
    Day 2 - 30 100mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva / .25mg L-dex
    Day 31 - 37 20mg Nolva / .25mg L-dex

    Cycle 1:
    1 – 10 Enan 500mg/wk
    1 – 12 Nolvadex 10mg ED
    1 – 12 L-dex .25mg ED

    Start PCT 2 weeks after last Enan injection

    Cycle 2:
    1 – 10 Cyp 400mg/wk
    1 – 12 Nolvadex 10mg ED
    1 – 12 L-dex .25mg ED

    Start PCT 18 days after last Cyp injection

    Cycle 3:
    1 – 4 D-bol 40mg ED
    1 – 10 Enan 500mg/wk
    1 – 12 Nolvadex 10mg ED
    1 – 12 L-dex .25mg ED

    Start PCT 2 weeks after last Enan injection

    Cycle 4:
    1 – 4 D-bol 40mg ED
    1 – 10 Cyp 400mg/wk
    1 – 12 Nolvadex 10mg ED
    1 – 12 L-dex .25mg ED

    Start PCT 18 days after last Cyp injection

    Cycle 5:
    1 – 4 Prop 75mg ED
    1 – 10 Enan 500mg/wk
    1 – 12 Nolvadex 10mg ED
    1 – 12 L-dex .25mg ED

    Start PCT 2 weeks after last Enan injection

    Cycle 6:
    1 – 4 Prop 75mg ED
    1 – 10 Cyp 400mg/wk
    1 – 12 Nolvadex 10mg ED
    1 – 12 L-dex .25mg ED

    Start PCT 18 days after last Cyp injection

    Cycle 7:
    1 – 4 Prop 75mg ED
    1 – 10 Enan 500mg/wk
    11 – 12 Prop 75mg ED
    1 – 12 Nolvadex 10mg ED
    1 – 12 L-dex .25mg ED

    Start PCT 3 days after last Prop injection

    Cycle 8:
    1 – 4 Prop 75mg ED
    1 – 10 Cyp 400mg/wk
    11 – 13 Prop 75mg ED
    1 – 12 Nolvadex 10mg ED
    1 – 12 L-dex .25mg ED

    Start PCT 3 days after last Prop injection

    Cycle 9:
    1 – 13 Enan 500mg/wk
    1 – 12 EQ 500mg/wk
    1 – 15 Nolvadex 10mg ED
    1 – 15 L-dex .25mg ED

    Start PCT 2 weeks after last Enan injection

    Cycle 10:
    1 – 12 Cyp 400mg/wk
    1 – 12 EQ 400mg/wk
    1 – 15 Nolvadex 10mg ED
    1 – 15 L-dex .25mg ED

    Start PCT 3 weeks after last Cyp / Enan injection

    Cycle 11:
    1 – 10 Enan 500mg/wk
    7 – 12 Winny 50mg ED
    1 – 15 Nolvadex 10mg ED
    1 – 15 L-dex .25mg ED

    Start PCT 1 day after last Winny injection / dose

    Cycle 12:
    1 – 10 Cyp 400mg/wk
    8 – 13 Winny 50mg ED
    1 – 15 Nolvadex 10mg ED
    1 – 15 L-dex .25mg ED

    Start PCT 1 day after last Winny injection / dose

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    Definately the newest addition to the stickies.

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    As always, fantastic post bro!!!!!

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    Good post brutha. I will save this one.

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    Thanks guys........

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    Fantastic post...

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    great job...as always....sure sticky s**t.....it should be around long time ago....

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    Bump for mukkler

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    good post, oughta stop alota same old newbie posts

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    Great Stuff

    Coming from a newbie, this really helps.

    BTW...what if I tried....?

    Just kidding!
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    ..And I like how the PCT time is listed for each cycle depending upon the ester length..
    this goes on the old hard drive

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    Awesome post brutha...just one question. I didnt understand why the first cycle you have 500mg of eth and then only 400mg of cyp for the second cycle. I figured they are enough alike that it should be the other way around? could you please explain this

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    great post, hope some will read this before posting for cycle advice. You can get any better than that info right there!

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    The only thing that I can add is that maybe the enenthate would be better suited at 400mg, and the cypionate at 500 due to the esterweights.

    Great post!

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    The mudman has done it again. Awesomeness bro. That should help out a lot of confused newcomers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImmmtheIceman
    Awesome post brutha...just one question. I didnt understand why the first cycle you have 500mg of eth and then only 400mg of cyp for the second cycle. I figured they are enough alike that it should be the other way around? could you please explain this
    Thanks......

    I did this because most Cyp will come dosed at 200mg per ml and Enan is 250mg per ml. I just feel this would make it easier to dose for someone new to AAS.

    Also, IMO 400mg is the minimum I would use with test.

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    Great post man.

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    Good to know, makes more sense now. What about using cyp for the first cycle at 400mg of cyp then for the second cycle going 500mg of eth, or do you think this wouldnt make much of a difference?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImmmtheIceman
    Good to know, makes more sense now. What about using cyp for the first cycle at 400mg of cyp then for the second cycle going 500mg of eth, or do you think this wouldnt make much of a difference?
    I feel it makes not much of a difference if any....... If someone feels they want to run 500mg of Cyp then that's fine because what I put here is for reference and can be changed a bit to suit your goals and needs. But 400 to 500mg of test is the norm for a first cycle.




    Thanks everyone!

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    good post Mud, bump!!!

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    Great post...bump

    One question Mud, what's the purpose of running the A-Dex and Nolva 1 week longer than the Clomid. I have a vague memory, and can't seem to find anything on it now...LOL
    Last edited by styles-money; 08-30-2004 at 08:56 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by styles-money
    Great post...bump

    One question Mud, what's the purpose of running the A-Dex and Nolva 1 week longer than the Clomid. I have a vague memory, and can't seem to find anything on it now...LOL
    I do it just in case of a rebound effects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NaturalBuff
    good post, oughta stop alota same old newbie posts
    if only that were true...they're like the plague

    great post bro!

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    Quote Originally Posted by yooo
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    thanks

    This looks like my cycle:

    Cycle 11:
    1 – 10 Enan 500mg/wk
    7 – 12 Winny 50mg ED
    1 – 15 Nolvadex 10mg ED
    1 – 15 L-dex .25mg ED

    But I dont understand..

    What will i do first week?? Should i start with enanthate at the same time as nolva + ldex ? Or do you mean that this is how i dot it:

    Week 1,2: Nolva 10mg ED, L-dex .25mg ED
    Week 3 - 8: Nolva 10mg ED, L-dex .25 ED, 500mg Enanthate.
    Week 9 - 12: Nolva 10mg ED, L-dex .25 ED, 500mg Enanthate, 50mg winstrol
    Week 13 - 14: Nolva 10mg ED, L-dex .25 ED, 50mg winstrol
    Week 15 - 17: Nolva 10mg ED, L-dex .25 ED

    Week 18: PCT:
    Day 1 300mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva / .25mg L-dex
    Day 2 - 30 100mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva / .25mg L-dex
    Day 31 - 37 20mg Nolva / .25mg L-dex

    Yeah.. im sorry.. im a slow learner

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    Quote Originally Posted by mukkler
    thanks

    This looks like my cycle:

    Cycle 11:
    1 – 10 Enan 500mg/wk
    7 – 12 Winny 50mg ED
    1 – 15 Nolvadex 10mg ED
    1 – 15 L-dex .25mg ED

    But I dont understand..

    What will i do first week?? Should i start with enanthate at the same time as nolva + ldex ? Or do you mean that this is how i dot it:

    Week 1,2: Nolva 10mg ED, L-dex .25mg ED
    Week 3 - 8: Nolva 10mg ED, L-dex .25 ED, 500mg Enanthate.
    Week 9 - 12: Nolva 10mg ED, L-dex .25 ED, 500mg Enanthate, 50mg winstrol
    Week 13 - 14: Nolva 10mg ED, L-dex .25 ED, 50mg winstrol
    Week 15 - 17: Nolva 10mg ED, L-dex .25 ED

    Week 18: PCT:
    Day 1 300mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva / .25mg L-dex
    Day 2 - 30 100mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva / .25mg L-dex
    Day 31 - 37 20mg Nolva / .25mg L-dex

    Yeah.. im sorry.. im a slow learner
    That's looks good to me.

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    Thanks, Mud. Great setups for a Newbie. Just when I think I got my first cycle planned, I read something that makes me tweak it a little. I was already planning on doing your #3, but never thought of starting Nolva and Ldex 2 weeks prior. #3 #9 and #11 are similar. How do I choose b/w D-Bol, Eq and Winny in these stacks? Thanks Bro.

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    MudMan this was a great idea. I hope it gets stickied. I remember when i was a newbie and would click on newbie cycles. Most sites had deca only cycles for the newb and not one mention about deca dick or PCT.

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    Yeah thanks for the advice!

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    very good post,only one question,good i use sust somewhere and how for a first cycle as ive got a drawer full of the stuff that i bought in turkey,thanks

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