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05-05-2012, 10:00 AM #721New Member
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gyno
I read your article, I've been off AAS for about a year now and I developed some gyno right when I got off AAS and kinda slacked on getting rid of it I was running letro at the time.. I still have lumps behind my nipple on both, I wanna do another cycle I have sust 250,deca 300, and winstrol My question is Have I waited way to long with my gyno that i now have to do surgery? or is there a chance of me running this cycle and somehow reversing the gyno while being on the cycle? Or should i take a chance before i do this cycle and try to get rid of the gyno before I get on the sauce.. any information will help thank u..
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05-22-2012, 08:29 PM #722New Member
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Natural Gyno HELP!
I've read a LOT about gyno and how to reverse it. I'm 23 in good health, training right now. dunno my bf but probably 10% or less.. Never used steroids ! Its natural gyno appearred during adolescence at my left pec, almost nothing at my right. I want to try Letro and finish with nolva but there's 2 things that bothers me... the sex drive issue--maybe it would sound crazy but i was wondering if after taking letro it would be good for test/oestrogen balance to take oestrogen pills while takin nolva ? like just a few days to diminish the time for libido to get back. i consider maybe takin proviron with letro. I saw on another forum a guy said he took arimidex for a natural gyno instead of letro :
I am 33 I have had natural gyno (fat deposite not glandular) since I was 13. Basically just puffy nipples. I am 3 weeks into .5 mg a day of L-Dex from researchology and the fat deposite around my nipples is down 60% measured by my fat calipers. and my pipples are very close to flat (cant wait to put on a wife beater!)
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What you think about that?
Another thing..no one seems to agree about the dosage of letro... i personally think i will try to start couple day at only .25 and adding slowly .25 gradually till it start to go away or until i reach 2.5mg. Many guys start right away with 2.5 but this product it so strong and it could work a smaller dose but i want to do the best pattern possible with the less side effects possible.
Im takin L-Arginine right now and would consider takin animal flex if i get joint pain with the use of letro. So if you can give me another solution for sex drive or you have mixed some of these products and you haave some advices would be appreciated
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05-23-2012, 05:17 PM #723New Member
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Hey guys! Great post! very helpful. I am 2 weeks in to my 500mg sus a week +25mg proviron ED and I've noticed my left nipple was sensitive. Not sore or painful just sensitive, I have a small lump but I have always had it and its not solid. I am not fat, 5' 7" 146lbs with 9% BF. Just wondering if I will 100% know that I have gyno before it is too late? I really don't want to start hitting the Nolva just because my head is messing with me (it definitely does lol). Sorry any help with this would be a big help!
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05-25-2012, 03:52 AM #724
definitely going to hold on to this for my first cycle. Quick question tho, I'm 23, I've been cleaning up my diet and lifting for the last year (and will continue doing so until about 25-26 for my first cycle), anywho - I've heard it's good to take anti-e's for 2 weeks before a cycle, just wanted to get your opinion on that; and if it is good, specifically what I should be taking? (since it'll be my first cycle I want to do a test enth only cycle at 500mg a week)
Cheers bro
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05-25-2012, 07:19 PM #725New Member
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C Bino I need to get in touch with you but do not know how to PM you... Its very important that has to do with gyno...
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06-03-2012, 12:14 PM #726New Member
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any body have a good source were to buy letrozole and nolva? i plan on running letro (plan #3) nd then use nolva for estro- rebound. sound ok? i just dont believe all these online pharmacies are legit.
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06-03-2012, 11:28 PM #727
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06-04-2012, 06:42 AM #728New Member
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Has anyone done blood work while on this protocol? I would like to know how bad cholesterol values were affected.
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06-06-2012, 08:39 PM #729New Member
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Hello there,
First of all i would to thanks bino for this topic,i was in panic and accidentaly through google i found this topic ! this topic was the reason that i register to this forum aswell, and i notice that you can find tones of info in this forum ! anyway , here is my problem now that i need an answer please asap cause still i m in panic
I m currently on my 8th week of my bulking cycle, 800mg test400 & 600mg Deca per week,5iu gh and winstrol for the last weeks
I was taking 10mg of tamoxifen and like a fool i was believing that tamo is an AI
Last 2-3 weeks i notice my nipples getting puffy and darker . My source find me some letrozole pills 2.5mg and i started the therapy.
I chop the pill in 4 pieces,first day i took the 1/4 of the pill,second day 2/4,today 3/4 etc...
I started notice that my gyno became worst and i m wondering why?
For how long i should keep the therapy ?
Sorry in advance for my poor english
And thanks for reading and for any repliesLast edited by Tartaros; 06-06-2012 at 09:27 PM.
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06-09-2012, 05:46 AM #730New Member
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Can anyone tell me what the best AI is to use. Im currenyly taking 1ml a week of m/tiger sust250 & 1ml of deca250. This is my 2nd week... Its funny cos when purchased to stuff I didnt get told anything about this. So if anyone could help it would be much appreciated, oh and I relise the dangers and respect the fact im new to this. ??????
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06-09-2012, 06:24 AM #731
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD adjust accordingly... You sound like you need to educate yourself
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06-11-2012, 07:06 AM #732Junior Member
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OUT F*C*N* STANDING POST! To many people over complicate a PCT. I'm about to do my first cycle and I feel more confident than before. Thanks.
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06-11-2012, 07:08 AM #733Junior Member
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06-11-2012, 02:58 PM #734Originally Posted by jcevans7
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06-15-2012, 08:34 AM #735
thanks a lot. now the big question is, i have puffy nips and the areola is enlarged and the area around is swollen is it because of projesterone gyno note: there are no lumps as such.
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06-16-2012, 12:05 PM #736
The post was awsome. Im really trying to learn all I can before I start a cycle and this post was great for that reason. I understood about SERMs but AIs like Letro were something new to me.
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06-18-2012, 08:47 PM #737New Member
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Learnt alot thanks for the info
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06-26-2012, 05:20 PM #738New Member
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Hi, I'm from Argentina... I've just run a cycle with Tprop (600 mg/week) and Dianabol (30 mg/day)... by the 3th week I started to feel my both nipples swelling and it started to grow a sort of little "ball" under them... I must say I took anastrozole to prevent gyno during cycle, but I made a mistake: a friend of mine told me 0.5 mg of anastrozole would be enough... It seems it wasn't enough...
So, I have to questions:
1-Do I start with letrozole ?
2-How can I take such a minimal dose as 0.25 mg or 0.5 mg of letrozol? (As far as I know, oral letrozol comes in 2.5 mg tablets. Is it possible to divide the tablet in EIGHT without pulverizeing it?)
I will really apreciate your help since I'm very concerned about the mess I've made...
I apologize for my poor english.
Thank you again!
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07-15-2012, 11:19 AM #739New Member
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I really appreciate the detail in this thread. I have a couple of questions that I want to clarify before starting anything...
1) I am looking for Tamoxifen to prevent the rebound effect after letro and see Tamoxifen Citrate. Is this the same as what we refer to as Tamoxifen (Nolvadex ) or is this a salt form of the same active ingredient? If so is there a conversion that needs to be used or are the 2 interchangable?
2) I couldnt help but notice this thread was started back in 06. Is this still considered the best option for gyno after 6 years or is there a new non-surgical option?
3) What exactly is the mechanism of the estro rebound? Is it due to increased overall androgen production or an increase in aromatase production?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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07-17-2012, 01:56 PM #740New Member
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I read this post a few months back and I've been on Letro for a while now.
So my question is, how long is it safe to stay on this stuff? I want to start using the Tamoxifen (Nolvadex ) and taper off. The letro at 1mg has been pretty much controlling the gyno, but the gyno is much better in the morning compared to evening (not sure why?) Obviously the letro is never going to fully subside it, so I'm wondering if I taper off will the side effects stay at a stand still? I'm just tired of spending the money on letro each month.
Also, is it ever safe to get on a cycle again (with a pct)?
I hear Anavar is a good option for someone who is prone to gyno, or has had gyno. (maybe take Anavar & letro?)
Thanks for the help!Last edited by jtoups1214; 07-18-2012 at 03:15 PM.
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07-26-2012, 07:00 AM #741New Member
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hey man this may sound stupid but i just ordered some liquifem and not sure how to take it. do i inject it, if so where is the best place to inject it? sorry if it sounds stupid Im just clueless at this but want my gyno gone thank man
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08-01-2012, 08:49 PM #742Banned
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Thanks C, I just started letro today
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08-06-2012, 05:52 AM #743New Member
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Come off cycle and noticed that my chest is quite puffy looking. I've had gyno since I was a teenager but it's not really noticable. Both of my nipples look okay - not abnormal, but my chest seems a little bit more rounded and puffy. Will this subside? I'm currently on Clomid and the puffyness has subsided slightly. I also have Letro on order, should be here in 5-6 days. Will the puffyness disappear soon after PCT or am I stuck with it?
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08-10-2012, 10:48 PM #744Originally Posted by C_Bino
Currently He's 42 years old has done about 10 cycles his whole life. He's 185 pounds 5'11 with 8% body fat.
He has never done any AI's during a cycle or any PCT ever. He's just one of these lucky guys who never has sides. The only side he has ever experienced is a little gyno behind the nipple and every time he ends a cycle it always goes away on its own after a month or 2.
Now that he's in his 40s, he's going to start running PCT when he cycles. Here's my question:
He wants to run PCT. I gave him nolva and clomid to run for pct. He also has Letro. He's experiencing a tiny bit of gyno under one nipple. He's ready to start his pct, how should I advice him to run it based on the circumstances and the compounds he has?
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08-13-2012, 08:55 AM #745
Good article
glad to read these
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08-14-2012, 10:48 AM #746New Member
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Great info thanks!
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08-29-2012, 03:52 AM #747New Member
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Thankyou for such posts, they will really help newbs like myself!
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09-10-2012, 06:56 PM #748New Member
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Question about lump
Will you always get lump behind the nipple? I am seeing some signs especially when I flex, but I have never felt a lump that was sore. Some itching, but there is what I thought an ingrown hair on lower part of areola, not behind nipple. Any thoughts would help.
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10-11-2012, 03:08 PM #749Banned
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Here is a less harsh way
Ok here is what your gonna do
Letro dosing, i'll break it down for you:
1ml = 2.5mg
0.9ml = 2.25mg
0.8ml = 2mg
0.7ml = 1.75mg
0.6ml = 1.5mg
0.5ml = 1.25mg
0.4ml = 1mg
0.3ml = 0.75mg
0.2ml = 0.5mg
0.1ml = 0.25mg
Weeks 1-2
Letro .25mg EOD, so draw .1ml the plunger, letro is sweet so taste is ok. Take before bed.
Weeks 2-6
Nolvadex 40/40/40/20mg
Clomid 70/70/35/35mg
Nolvadex tastes really bad, mix it with water put it in a shot glass and throw it back.
I would do the same with the clomid.
Take the nolva in the morning, clomid at night.
This should reverse the Gyno .
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10-20-2012, 01:38 AM #750New Member
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Bino,
Hope u can help. I'm week 2 into my anadrol 50 mg per day use. First cycle ever, I read about all side effects and thought it was worth a shot. But never read that I should be taking letro or even Nolva at end of cycles. Stupid and ignorant on my part. I may be just paranoid , but last 3 days I had some pain under my chest which was relieved after burping or sitting up. My nipples feel a little sensitive. Don't feel any lumps behind them though. What should I do, and where is a good place to get it. Any help would be much appreciated doc mc titty
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10-20-2012, 01:51 AM #751New Member
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Also to any1 else who reads this too please give me some tips. But, what I'm taking exactly is anadrol oxymetholone. 50 mg a day. I weigh 195 . 6 ft. After 15 days in I felt the pain in my chest and it has persisted for 2 days . Does anadrol cause gyno and should I be using Nolva or letro and where to get them again. Thanks for any1 reading this again.
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10-21-2012, 03:18 AM #752New Member
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10-28-2012, 04:50 PM #753New Member
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Lovin the thread. Exactly the sort of info i signed up for!
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11-01-2012, 10:46 PM #754
Great post
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Amazing thread Gyno tnx alot... Can u make thread about acne? I am sure a lot of us would like to hear what u have in mind. Cause i run couple begginers cycle 2 years ago amazing results!! Horrific bad bad acne breakout all over my shoulders and back!! Now i am just so affraid. Tnx again
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I mean to say thank you to Bino
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11-08-2012, 03:42 PM #757
Epic thread and very informative... thank you for sharing bro.
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Excellent info Bino thank you! I would like to hear your saying on acne problems? I ran couple of begginner type cycle about year and half ago ( test,anavar ! cyp e.t.c) had amazing result but really bad acne breakout all over my shoulders and back! It was still happening long after pct. Now i got bad scars and also chickened out to do cycle again. I am 5'7, 35 years old 175lb, 12%-15% bf, have been working out about 10 years solid. Just could not find a lot about acne sides! Please feel free any advice thank you guys
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11-09-2012, 09:04 AM #759
Try accutane also known as isotretinoin it's an acne med I run it as a precaution towards the end of my cycle through pct and even after to be safe it has some nasty sides so do your research
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Thanks Bob i will
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