Sustanon and why you shouldnt use it

[xxxlorider]

hi new to site and steroids going to be starting 2nd cycle first one was only 6 weeks long it was test and deca . this one is going to consist of d-bol , deca , and test i would appreciate any advice from anyone on how to take all three and for how long how much at a time, any and all info would be greatly appreciated thanks

[iron bear]

Are there any of those glass redyjects circulating any more?
Evidently Sust was first made for some big animals.
The spike looked like as ten penny nail. Those origional preloads were not for humans. I was in Hawaii back then and some of our "Local Bruddas" used them straight from the pack. . .ha ha ha ha. . .they said it "hurt plenty" and
made one big hole that wouln't stop bleeding. They were nothing more than a nasty looking amp. They were in a plastic and aluminum foil packet. They were made in Mexico.

[Schmidty]

I was just saying to one of my friends the other day that sust isnt the shit anymore like it was back in his day. I gota show him this.

[bradhore]

Would you say sust is similar to testomax 300 ?

[Guardian74]

I've run sust the "Standard" M W F protocol and ED. On the MWF i put on a ton of weight, got moon-pie faced, and looked generally like a novice gear user. I tried it ED and got leaner, harder, and more vascular. Everyone responds differently to the chemicals, but timing is also a critical factor in sustaining consistent blood levels and thus minimizing sides. For more info, check this link out:

http://www.**********online.com/sustanon250.shtml

Good luck,
G74

[Schmidty]

^not working

[bradhore]

so would you say sust is similar to testomax 300 which contains (test cypiante 120mg's, test enanthate 100mg, test propiante 80mg's

[iron bear]

The old sust in the big glass preloads had a strong testosterone odor.
There was no other injectable that smelled like it. . .it was STRONG.
These things were potent looking units. They were for penetrating tough hide.
Does the sust have that same powerful smell now?

[Dizz28]

The old sust in the big glass preloads had a strong testosterone odor.
There was no other injectable that smelled like it. . .it was STRONG.
These things were potent looking units. They were for penetrating tough hide.
Does the sust have that same powerful smell now?

I've used the Karachi's and they do have a pretty strong smell to them....stronger then other Test E's or C's I've used

[iron bear]

That info increases my faith in the new stuff.
There was a time in the 90s where I only had true faith in the big nasty
preloads and stuff from the pharmacy. I got burned all the time in the 90s.

[Schmidty]

^U guys sniff ur gear.

[Dizz28]

I wouldn't use the term "sniff' but yea I can smell it when I'm loading it up

[Schmidty]

I wouldn't use the term "sniff' but yea I can smell it when I'm loading it up

I had no idea it was so potent

[Guardian74]

I've run sust the "Standard" M W F protocol and ED. On the MWF i put on a ton of weight, got moon-pie faced, and looked generally like a novice gear user. I tried it ED and got leaner, harder, and more vascular. Everyone responds differently to the chemicals, but timing is also a critical factor in sustaining consistent blood levels and thus minimizing sides. For more info, check this link out:

http://www.**********online.com/sustanon250.shtml

Good luck,
G74

Sorry Boys,

I just heard my link was unavailable. Here's the whole thing:


As you can see by the numbers, the quickest way to get the sust levels in your blood stream at a constant maximum level is to shoot ed.
By the middle of week 1, your there, except for a few milligrams.


On a 3cc case, each hash mark equals 25mgs of sust
So to shoot
200mgs would be 8 hash marks or a little over 3/4 of a ml
150mgs would be 8 hash marks or a little over 1/2 of a ml
100mgs would be 4 hash marks or a little under 1/2 of a ml


Also to do this you will need a sterile 40 or 50 ml empty vial to switch all the sust amps into.
**********

days.. amount taken.......the amount in the blood stream
1 ..............200mgs ................190mgs
2 ..............200 .......................351
3 ..............200 .......................487
4 ..............150 .......................555
5 ..............150 .......................612
6 ..............100 .......................613
7 ..............100 .......................614
Week 2
8 ..............100 .......................615
9 ..............100 .......................616
10.............100 .......................616
11.............100 .......................617
12.............100 .......................617
13.............100 .......................617
14.............100 .......................618
Week 3
15............100 .......................618
16............100 .......................618
17............100 .......................618
18............100 .......................618
19............100 .......................618
20............100 .......................619
21............100 .......................619
Week 4
22............100 .......................619
23............100 .......................619
24............100 .......................619
25............100 .......................619
26............100 .......................619
27............100 .......................619
28............100 .......................619
Week 5
29...,........100 .......................619
30............100 .......................619
31............100 .......................619
32............100 .......................619
33............100 .......................619
34............100 .......................619
35............100 .......................619
Week 6
36............100 .......................619
37............100 .......................619
38............100 .......................619
39............100 .......................619
40............100 .......................619
41............100 .......................619
42............100 .......................619
Week 7
43............100 .......................619
44............100 .......................619
45............100 .......................619
46............100 .......................619
47............100 .......................619
48............100 .......................619
49............100 .......................619
Week 8
50............100 .......................619
51............100 .......................619
52............100 .......................619
53............100 .......................619
54............100 .......................619
55............100 .......................619
56............100 .......................619


Also you can see by the numbers...
Your shooting 700mgs a week, with the exception of the 1st week,
That your only really doing 619mgs.





Question:

So we all have heard that more even T levels (ED injections) means less side effects, right? Why is that? Can someone briefly expand on this idea? What are some other reasons for keeping our T levels as even as possible? Looking for input here to put a reason behind the technique...

as posted by 46and2aheadofme (the same who made the graph) Thanks 46

Answer:

Ok lets see if we can put this into perspective... I've asked some of who I feel are the most knowledgeable guys on these boards about this to see if they agree and yes, so far everyone seems to be on the same page

The best way to put it is as Andy said .. I'm paraphrasing here


Many, guys say that dbol is many times more effective when taken throughout the day, Bill Roberts included.
There seem to be less sides and more gains as opposed to just taking it 1 or 2 times daily....

The only difference between taking it 1 to 2 times a day and throughout the day is the stability in the blood .

The higher injection frequency = stable blood levels = better gains and or less sides is simply an extension of this analogy.

There's no doubt that people gain from injecting sustanon 1x/week... But, at least in theory, it would be better if split up..
The magnitude of the difference in blood levels increases with dose..
So the need to split up the injections increases with the dose and may not be that big of a deal on small cycles.






Here is the normal 3 times a week chart

Monday, Wednesday, Friday shots
It never gets stable, just Here is Monday, Wednesday, Friday shots
It never gets stable, just develops a pattern after week 7


1 ...250 .......................238
2 ...0 ..........................201
3 ...250 .......................409
4 ...0 ..........................346
5 ...250 .......................532
6 ...0 ..........................451
7 ...0 ..........................384
Week 2
8 ...250 .......................566
9 ...0 ..........................480
10...250 .......................646
11...0 ..........................547
12...250 .......................703
13...0 ..........................595
14...0 ..........................507
Week 3
15...250 .......................672
16...0 ..........................569
17...250 .......................722
18...0 ..........................611
19...250 .......................758
20...0 ..........................642
21...0 ..........................547
Week 4
22...250 .......................706
23...0 ..........................598
24...250 .......................747
25...0 ..........................632
26...250 .......................776
27...0 ..........................657
28...0 ..........................560
Week 5
29...250 .......................717
30...0 ..........................607
31...250 .......................755
32...0 ..........................639
33...250 .......................782
34...0 ..........................662
35...0 ..........................564
Week 6
36...250 .......................721
37...0 ..........................610
38...250 .......................757
39...0 ..........................641
40...250 .......................784
41...0 ..........................663
42...0 ..........................656
Week 7
43...250 .......................722
44...0 ..........................611
45...250 .......................758
46...0 ..........................642
47...250 .......................784
48...0 ..........................664
49...250 .......................566
Week 8
50...250 .......................722
51...0 ..........................611
52...250 .......................758
53...0 ..........................642
54...250 .......................784
55...0 ..........................664
56...0...........................566

[Dobie-BOY]

So where are the graphs that I have been waiting to see? Some one show me some proof!!

[Rocz]

Hi

Im kind of a rookie and im very unsecure about the produkts i have bought!
Im 19 years old and developing my body good i would say. I have just moved to another country and i bought some Testastan Depot (Testosterone Cypienate) 200Mg/Ml, Equi Bol ( Boldenone Undecylenate 200mg /ml) And Primabolan Depot (Methenelone Enanthate 100mg / ml). the mark of these substanses are ***************. And i am very afraid that this would be Fake!..Ive just heard that its very much of it out now and i HOPE someone hear can help me! PLEASE if U can, Help me soo i know what i am taking!..I have taken pictures and everything of my produkts.

I do not know soo much about this site and its very confusing for me. please send Some answears to my email!

Wow, posting sources and your email in a thread is not the way to get off to a good start here..

Thanks in Advance
//Rocz

[Rocz]

someone??

[frenchy]

Ive only ever used sust 250 and only for 8 weeks ive gained a little muscle but for a newbie Ive grown quite a bit stronger over the last two months, which is what Im looking for really. Im 36 5'7" was 178 now Im 190??? For my first cycle it was a good start.

[iron bear]

Sustanon was supplied as a vetinarian glass redyject made by Organon in Mexico for BULLS!
It was named Sostanon 250. Power lifters loved it's strength promoting effects.
It is a STACK and behaves like all stacks! If you ever saw one of the origional redyjects you would get the full impact of it's nature. Amps do not do it justice. . .they make it look too
civilized.

[weaz12]

i had great results from sus.......only downside was how long it took for the pct to work

[ShadetreeJones]

Would you start taking it right away, or just have it on hand in case symptoms show up?

33, been doing Sust 250 2x a week and Decabol at 250 a week for 15 days now and the results are very encouraging. Weight went from 204 to 209 and am noticeably leaner. I'm doing cardio EOD for 30 mins per so the weight gains won't be big numbers. I realize this is a pretty conservative cycle and I'm cool with that. Any critiquing would be welcome along with reasoning.

More importantly, referring to the question up above start now or wait for symptoms?? Also, if anyone has any other input as to when to start and what to use for a PCT plan which was effective for them that would be great.

I've learned a thousand times more in this single thread all the other hours of research I did combined. Big thanks to everyone who participated in this thread.

[Mista Massive]

33, been doing Sust 250 2x a week and Decabol at 250 a week for 15 days now and the results are very encouraging. Weight went from 204 to 209 and am noticeably leaner. I'm doing cardio EOD for 30 mins per so the weight gains won't be big numbers. I realize this is a pretty conservative cycle and I'm cool with that. Any critiquing would be welcome along with reasoning.

More importantly, referring to the question up above start now or wait for symptoms?? Also, if anyone has any other input as to when to start and what to use for a PCT plan which was effective for them that would be great.

I've learned a thousand times more in this single thread all the other hours of research I did combined. Big thanks to everyone who participated in this thread.

Using sust for first cycle???????????????

2 weeks in and only 5lbs gain?????????????

only shooting sust 2 times a weeK????????????

already started cycle and don't know about PCT?????????????

whoa, here we go again!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Knoxston]

i dont feel sust is bad or shouldnt be used ive just used sust and right now its my fav form of test many people use it i dont feel everybody is using it just because they think it works im not continuing to use it cause i think it works it does work

[J-41-sd]

sust is an awesome compound and I have used it often with great results but, the last time I had it in a cycle I finished the last 3-4 weeks with prop and was very impressed. I like sust but for me prop is the best, the compounds you stack with it also make a difference. overall it is great for anyone who wants to go into 750mg a week of test as that is really the minimal amount I would ever run sust.

[scottish]

Holly shiznit, by using that graph and shooting every day.. My ass would never stop hurting

[YOKED]

Wow, great stuff here guys...
I wanted to know.
I have about 400Mg left of some Test-E.
Could I load that up first, say 200mg on Monday, 200mg on Friday.
Then start my Eq and SUS 375, d-bol the next week?
I am stacking it as so...
900mg sust/week
600mg EQ/week
210mg d-bol/week

[dt1974]

Sust was my first cycle, 250mg only once per week, I was pretty happy with the results and had no unpleasant side effects except for after cycle acne.

[KRAZYPITBULL]

Im a noob and i dont want to flame but this thread lost me along time ago.. im using for my first cycle Sust and EQ , 500mg sust /week and 400 of EQ .. anyone have results for this combo ?

[mr newbreed]

im into the last 7 weeks of my cycle and am running sus 500mg per week,triobol 500mg per week and deca 400 mg per week,the last 3 weeks pushing the sus to 750 mg per week and the deca to 600mg per week,dropping the triobol and adding nap 50s (oxybolon)-1 a day.what do you guys think of this as im having great results from this cycle ?.also im going to be starting my pct 10 days after last injection as i always have with sus-people seem to have a mixed opinions on when to start pct with sus-why?

[anabolicquest24]

sust should be shot more than or at least twice a week because of the short esters

[DesiBoy]

So which are the bad test in the mix of sust? I've tried it once and it really messed up my natty test and had anxiety, depression. It was the first time I tried it. I guess all that was a side from unstable blood levels.

[Alpha-Male]

Sorry Boys,

I just heard my link was unavailable. Here's the whole thing:


As you can see by the numbers, the quickest way to get the sust levels in your blood stream at a constant maximum level is to shoot ed.
By the middle of week 1, your there, except for a few milligrams.


On a 3cc case, each hash mark equals 25mgs of sust
So to shoot
200mgs would be 8 hash marks or a little over 3/4 of a ml
150mgs would be 8 hash marks or a little over 1/2 of a ml
100mgs would be 4 hash marks or a little under 1/2 of a ml


Also to do this you will need a sterile 40 or 50 ml empty vial to switch all the sust amps into.
**********

days.. amount taken.......the amount in the blood stream
1 ..............200mgs ................190mgs
2 ..............200 .......................351
3 ..............200 .......................487
4 ..............150 .......................555
5 ..............150 .......................612
6 ..............100 .......................613
7 ..............100 .......................614
Week 2
8 ..............100 .......................615
9 ..............100 .......................616
10.............100 .......................616
11.............100 .......................617
12.............100 .......................617
13.............100 .......................617
14.............100 .......................618
Week 3
15............100 .......................618
16............100 .......................618
17............100 .......................618
18............100 .......................618
19............100 .......................618
20............100 .......................619
21............100 .......................619
Week 4
22............100 .......................619
23............100 .......................619
24............100 .......................619
25............100 .......................619
26............100 .......................619
27............100 .......................619
28............100 .......................619
Week 5
29...,........100 .......................619
30............100 .......................619
31............100 .......................619
32............100 .......................619
33............100 .......................619
34............100 .......................619
35............100 .......................619
Week 6
36............100 .......................619
37............100 .......................619
38............100 .......................619
39............100 .......................619
40............100 .......................619
41............100 .......................619
42............100 .......................619
Week 7
43............100 .......................619
44............100 .......................619
45............100 .......................619
46............100 .......................619
47............100 .......................619
48............100 .......................619
49............100 .......................619
Week 8
50............100 .......................619
51............100 .......................619
52............100 .......................619
53............100 .......................619
54............100 .......................619
55............100 .......................619
56............100 .......................619


Also you can see by the numbers...
Your shooting 700mgs a week, with the exception of the 1st week,
That your only really doing 619mgs.





Question:

So we all have heard that more even T levels (ED injections) means less side effects, right? Why is that? Can someone briefly expand on this idea? What are some other reasons for keeping our T levels as even as possible? Looking for input here to put a reason behind the technique...

as posted by 46and2aheadofme (the same who made the graph) Thanks 46

Answer:

Ok lets see if we can put this into perspective... I've asked some of who I feel are the most knowledgeable guys on these boards about this to see if they agree and yes, so far everyone seems to be on the same page

The best way to put it is as Andy said .. I'm paraphrasing here


Many, guys say that dbol is many times more effective when taken throughout the day, Bill Roberts included.
There seem to be less sides and more gains as opposed to just taking it 1 or 2 times daily....

The only difference between taking it 1 to 2 times a day and throughout the day is the stability in the blood .

The higher injection frequency = stable blood levels = better gains and or less sides is simply an extension of this analogy.

There's no doubt that people gain from injecting sustanon 1x/week... But, at least in theory, it would be better if split up..
The magnitude of the difference in blood levels increases with dose..
So the need to split up the injections increases with the dose and may not be that big of a deal on small cycles.






Here is the normal 3 times a week chart

Monday, Wednesday, Friday shots
It never gets stable, just Here is Monday, Wednesday, Friday shots
It never gets stable, just develops a pattern after week 7


1 ...250 .......................238
2 ...0 ..........................201
3 ...250 .......................409
4 ...0 ..........................346
5 ...250 .......................532
6 ...0 ..........................451
7 ...0 ..........................384
Week 2
8 ...250 .......................566
9 ...0 ..........................480
10...250 .......................646
11...0 ..........................547
12...250 .......................703
13...0 ..........................595
14...0 ..........................507
Week 3
15...250 .......................672
16...0 ..........................569
17...250 .......................722
18...0 ..........................611
19...250 .......................758
20...0 ..........................642
21...0 ..........................547
Week 4
22...250 .......................706
23...0 ..........................598
24...250 .......................747
25...0 ..........................632
26...250 .......................776
27...0 ..........................657
28...0 ..........................560
Week 5
29...250 .......................717
30...0 ..........................607
31...250 .......................755
32...0 ..........................639
33...250 .......................782
34...0 ..........................662
35...0 ..........................564
Week 6
36...250 .......................721
37...0 ..........................610
38...250 .......................757
39...0 ..........................641
40...250 .......................784
41...0 ..........................663
42...0 ..........................656
Week 7
43...250 .......................722
44...0 ..........................611
45...250 .......................758
46...0 ..........................642
47...250 .......................784
48...0 ..........................664
49...250 .......................566
Week 8
50...250 .......................722
51...0 ..........................611
52...250 .......................758
53...0 ..........................642
54...250 .......................784
55...0 ..........................664
56...0...........................566

Man, that all seems really neat, and scientifcal and shit (yes, i made that word up), but in all honesty, even if you decided to go the 2nd route (i personally go eod with sust), in terms of real world results, what do you really think you'll notice? and be realistic and logical about it...i'm all for frontloading btw, but i have to admit, sometimes it seems like splitting hairs with these friggin' charts and graphs (and i'm extreme left-brained personality)...JMO though...

alpha

[str8street247]

im doing a sust cycle good post very informative thanks

[mr newbreed]

Funny how everyone's body reacts differently. Most people who use sust love it!

i love it,il be starting my next cycle in 4-6 weeks time
sus 250 eod weeks 1-12
tren weeks 11-15
dbol 40mg ed weeks 11-15

i have had the best gains least sides using sus 250 and normaly deca aswell..
im looking vascularity and lean size this cycle...
i cant wait,i feel like a kid coming up to xmas
LOL

[Deen54]

i heard you should shoot sustanon according to it's shortest ester.

[Big]

i love it,il be starting my next cycle in 4-6 weeks time
sus 250 eod weeks 1-12
tren weeks 11-15
dbol 40mg ed weeks 11-15

i have had the best gains least sides using sus 250 and normaly deca aswell..
im looking vascularity and lean size this cycle...
i cant wait,i feel like a kid coming up to xmas
LOL

I would not run a cycle like that, you will be running the tren and dbol after the test has left your system or close to it. I would switch the tren to week 1-10 ad the dbol to week 1-4.

[torao]

hello i am a beginner ,so a have one question. i bought some test (sus a ton ) and in the botle is righten tre letters and a date .( MLG 02.2006 ) is this the expire date of this test or fabrication date , and if it is, how long after this date i can safely use it .

[jcevans7]

Makes since reading it. Long and short term TEST being released and keep pinning for the short while the long term TEST never really started to kick in. Pick a side of the fence and stay there.

[M37H]

I hear all the things you guys are saying and they may be true in some cases, but at least not for me and my bro. Our first cycle was sus at 500mg/wk for 8 weeks. I gained 15 pounds and my strength gains were freaking crazy. Water retention was not a problem and I felt ****ing awesome. I liked it so much that now I'm stacking it with equipoise for 12 weeks. Anyway, that's is my little story.
Go sustanon !
jssmc

Id have to agree im a first time user and i started of with sus250 at 500mg/wk and only got the flu in the second week and gained 5kg. I didnt have any side no water retention no more sickness and the strength and gains i got from this cycle were amazing. I think it comes down to the individual and how they react to it and i dont think you can say everyone that uses sus250 will get these symptoms. anywayz that my 2cents and experience with sus250 and i plan on getting on it again in 3 months time

[West Coast Winner]

Id have to agree im a first time user and i started of with sus250 at 500mg/wk and only got the flu in the second week and gained 5kg. I didnt have any side no water retention no more sickness and the strength and gains i got from this cycle were amazing. I think it comes down to the individual and how they react to it and i dont think you can say everyone that uses sus250 will get these symptoms. anywayz that my 2cents and experience with sus250 and i plan on getting on it again in 3 months time

I loved my sust only cycle!