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    Tren only cycle

    Has anyone ever done a tren only cycle? I have enough tren e for a cycle but am having a hard time getting anything else. Would it just be a waste or would it be beneficial at all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sikbusa
    Has anyone ever done a tren only cycle? I have enough tren e for a cycle but am having a hard time getting anything else. Would it just be a waste or would it be beneficial at all?
    Highly dangerous, abort, abort.

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    Really bad plan, I would imagine side effects galore without test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sikbusa View Post
    Has anyone ever done a tren only cycle? I have enough tren e for a cycle but am having a hard time getting anything else. Would it just be a waste or would it be beneficial at all?
    Yes i did tren and deca only 1,5 years ago. 1 gram each week. I guess its the same as tren only. First weeks it was amazing, sexdrive, gains and weelbeeing. Then it all went down and almost got myself divorced from my wife.
    Went to a shoppingcenter. Had to go out, was shaking, afraid, depressed. Too much people. Went to see mother before christmas. Almost started crying at the dinnertable. For no reason.

    If it was prolactin build up or lack of test i dunno. But dont do it...u need test. And a DA.

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    Does deca aromatize?

    Perhaps once you crash endogenous T via negative feedback and there is nothing left for conversion, E2 levels will plummet and I guess we all know how bad that is. It should be a reason valid enough to always run test as a base.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bizzarro View Post
    Does deca aromatize?

    Perhaps once you crash endogenous T via negative feedback and there is nothing left for conversion, E2 levels will plummet and I guess we all know how bad that is. It should be a reason valid enough to always run test as a base.
    It does Bizz... At 20% the rate of testosterone ...

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    I only do tren or Deca only cycles. Can't do test, way to many sides. Plus it's worthless to run low amounts of test if you have high amounts of tren or Deca because of binding affinity differences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleScience View Post
    I only do tren or Deca only cycles. Can't do test, way to many sides. Plus it's worthless to run low amounts of test if you have high amounts of tren or Deca because of binding affinity differences.
    MS - do you ever run test w/your cycles? I ask b/c I've seen posts of yours talking about how you've ran oral only and your statement above^ - is it b/c you can tolerate the sides or lack there of w/out test(in your situation)?

    We should advise members to always run a test as a base imho - not sayin' you didn't lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleScience View Post
    I only do tren or Deca only cycles. Can't do test, way to many sides. Plus it's worthless to run low amounts of test if you have high amounts of tren or Deca because of binding affinity differences.
    Not even a TRT amount? What kind of sides if you don't mind me asking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NACH3
    MS - do you ever run test w/your cycles? I ask b/c I've seen posts of yours talking about how you've ran oral only and your statement above^ - is it b/c you can tolerate the sides or lack there of w/out test(in your situation)? We should advise members to always run a test as a base imho - not sayin' you didn't lol


    nope, never anymore. I can do winny fine, but I get way to many estrogenic side effects either because I'm sensitive to that or just a pussy.

    I just can't see the point of running two or more compounds against each of what. They are competing for the same intra-cellular binding site. If one is much more strongly able to bind, the other compound had little chance of binding. You have to run test at a much much higher level than tren to get any effect based on sure number of molecules difference and probability.


    This is the exact mechanism of how novla works at keeping estrogenic side effects at bay. It has a higher binding affinity than estrogen and binds and "blocks," the estrogen receptor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bizzarro
    Not even a TRT amount? What kind of sides if you don't mind me asking?
    refer to exhibit A sub paragraph three from above lol
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    This is just my opinion and what works for me. For a couple years I stuck to what we most often recommend. Over time though, I became a lot more estrogen sensitive or Test sensitive for whatever reason. Even at 100-125g a week of test was to much for me. When I dropped test all my sides disappeared. Plus I have to physically run less drugs which is even better. IMHO
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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleScience View Post
    This is just my opinion and what works for me. For a couple years I stuck to what we most often recommend. Over time though, I became a lot more estrogen sensitive or Test sensitive for whatever reason. Even at 100-125g a week of test was to much for me. When I dropped test all my sides disappeared. Plus I have to physically run less drugs which is even better. IMHO

    Interesting stuff MS. BTW, low dose Tren has been studied for use as a form of TRT.
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    Really? Hadn't heard that.

    I mean if tren only cycles work for cows. Why wouldn't it on humans?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleScience View Post
    nope, never anymore. I can do winny fine, but I get way to many estrogenic side effects either because I'm sensitive to that or just a pussy.

    I just can't see the point of running two or more compounds against each of what. They are competing for the same intra-cellular binding site. If one is much more strongly able to bind, the other compound had little chance of binding. You have to run test at a much much higher level than tren to get any effect based on sure number of molecules difference and probability.


    This is the exact mechanism of how novla works at keeping estrogenic side effects at bay. It has a higher binding affinity than estrogen and binds and "blocks," the estrogen receptor.
    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleScience View Post
    This is just my opinion and what works for me. For a couple years I stuck to what we most often recommend. Over time though, I became a lot more estrogen sensitive or Test sensitive for whatever reason. Even at 100-125g a week of test was to much for me. When I dropped test all my sides disappeared. Plus I have to physically run less drugs which is even better. IMHO
    Thx MS very interesting... Hey whatever works for you, right! That's the whole point!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleScience View Post
    Really? Hadn't heard that.

    I mean if tren only cycles work for cows. Why wouldn't it on humans?

    I'll try to remember to send you a study I have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleScience View Post
    I mean if tren only cycles work for cows. Why wouldn't it on humans?
    In cows its stacked with estradiol, so its not tren only

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    I'll try to remember to send you a study I have.
    There is this one study made on rats

    Trenbolone Improves Cardiometabolic Risk Factors and Myocardial Tolerance to Ischemia-Reperfusion in Male Rats With Testosterone-Deficient Metaboli... - PubMed - NCBI

    Truly interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.BB
    In cows its stacked with estradiol, so its not tren only
    is that separate than the Fena pellets? I only remember doing pellets growing up, when we had cows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.BB View Post
    In cows its stacked with estradiol, so its not tren only
    Plus cows on tren are artificially inseminated.

    So they don't have to worry about preforming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleScience View Post
    is that separate than the Fena pellets? I only remember doing pellets growing up, when we had cows.
    Not sure about when you used pellets, but in today's fina the light blue pellet is estradiol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by numbere
    Not sure about when you used pellets, but in today's fina the light blue pellet is estradiol.
    maybe we didn't use the blue pill as we didn't want any drama from the cows...lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleScience View Post
    maybe we didn't use the blue pill as we didn't want any drama from the cows...lol
    Haha I hope your wife doesn't read your posts.

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    I've read the long version of that. Really friggen long....
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel
    I've read the long version of that. Really friggen long....
    do what the pros do, read just the abstract. If you disagree with it bash it, then don't read the full study anyway...lol
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    Ok I'm glad you posted this. Another reason I don't like running test and like tren and Deca is that they have no or low effect on the prostate. The last thing I want is prostate cancer and lose my ability to make porn with my famous money sh0t...lol
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    Here's the full article for anyone interested.

    The triglycerides improving surprised me.

    I wonder if that would change if the dose was increased.

    Trenbolone Improves Chardiometabolic Risk Factors and Myocardial Tolerance to Ischemia-Reperfusion in Male Rats With Testerone-Deficient Metabolic Syndrome

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    I know a little something about messing with androgens and no test and paying for it.

    I used to use strong prohormones before all the bans because i couldn't get real stuff and i was ignorant. you will loose everything you "gain," and you wont get a lick of sleep. worst of all, you will have performance issues, or worse total ED. -scary.

    can you get AI's? Prolactin Inhibitors? HCG ? Clomid, Nolvadex ? don't rely on your bro network. they will fail you every single time. rely on yourself
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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleScience View Post
    do what the pros do, read just the abstract. If you disagree with it bash it, then don't read the full study anyway...lol

    Guilt gets the better of me....
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel
    Guilt gets the better of me....
    I'm a sucker for data and seeing it for myself. Unfortunately you never see the raw data, before it's been washed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by numbere View Post
    Here's the full article for anyone interested.

    The triglycerides improving surprised me.

    I wonder if that would change if the dose was increased.

    Trenbolone Improves Chardiometabolic Risk Factors and Myocardial Tolerance to Ischemia-Reperfusion in Male Rats With Testerone-Deficient Metabolic Syndrome
    Many thanks for sharing, but links doesn't work. If it wasn't a progestin I'd experiment with tren myself.


    EDIT: Ok I found it on researchgate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silabolin View Post
    Yes i did tren and deca only 1,5 years ago. 1 gram each week. I guess its the same as tren only. First weeks it was amazing, sexdrive, gains and weelbeeing. Then it all went down and almost got myself divorced from my wife.
    Went to a shoppingcenter. Had to go out, was shaking, afraid, depressed. Too much people. Went to see mother before christmas. Almost started crying at the dinnertable. For no reason.

    If it was prolactin build up or lack of test i dunno. But dont do it...u need test. And a DA.
    I wasn't quite that's depressed but I felt the same way on a similiar tren cycle..plus almost zero sex drive is what really killed me..a lot of mood swings..I need test in all of my cycles..

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    Quote Originally Posted by KINGKONG
    I wasn't quite that's depressed but I felt the same way on a similiar tren cycle..plus almost zero sex drive is what really killed me..a lot of mood swings..I need test in all of my cycles..
    dude, when I'm on, I feel like I'm on top of the world. I get depressed we I'm off, just because I'm not on!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleScience View Post
    I only do tren or Deca only cycles. Can't do test, way to many sides. Plus it's worthless to run low amounts of test if you have high amounts of tren or Deca because of binding affinity differences.
    Interessting. Maybe it was my prolactin build up which fucked me up. I fully agree that a 19nors only cycle comes with less sides than a test and 19nors cycle. I tried du suggest the same prinsipp for dbol ....and got a 6 months flaming for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleScience View Post
    dude, when I'm on, I feel like I'm on top of the world. I get depressed we I'm off, just because I'm not on!
    All of us are different I guess I guess it's the only way I could explain the night and day differences in our experiences..unless it was a issue from my lack of ancillary use..I was very young and very inexperienced when I ran this cycle..

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