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    Newbies this is for you

    "I'm new and I'm looking for a good fist cycle"

    Ok new guys this seems to be a big topic here so here is a post for you. First of all this is not a recipe just a guide line on what you should be researching. You need to learn about these substances in more depth than I will go into here. However, for the new member just coming to AR I think this will answer a lot of questions. If nothing else you will see that there is a lot of studying in your future and there is no quick way to cycle properly

    1st cut vs bulk

    A lot of people seem to feel you can both cut and bulk at the same time. Well I'm telling you right now to forget that idea. If your ready to start your journey down the dark path you should start it with a good old fashion bulking stack. Don't waist your first stack with a cutter. Save that for after you've gained some more size. If you feel like you need to cut, do it naturally before your first cycle.

    Diet

    This IMO is where most mistakes are made. I try to keep it somewhat clean while bulking but some of you worry way too much about what you eat. This causes many of you to not eat enough. I also think people need to get more carbs while bulking. I've seen many people trying to bulk on what I would consider a cutting diet.

    For bulking I suggest high protein, med carbs and low fats. As a general rule I try to consume about 2 g of protein per lb daily while bulking although sometimes I don't get it all in. When I'm not bulking my carb intake is quite low so the boost in carbs gives me quite a treat.

    Do some research before you start any Anabolic cycle on how your body reacts to certain diets. If you in an advanced enough stage to be using Anabolics you should already know how you reacts to diets and exactly how many calories you need to eat to accomplish the weight you are looking to acquire. Ask for diet help if you need it. There are many people on AR who know more about diet than I ever will.

    Make sure you get a good multi-vit in the mix. Specially with low fat diets.

    The Gear
    The are many right and many wrong ways to do things here. There is no one magic formula for cycling. Many people do it many different ways. Many of those ways work well. Many don't. Things I may suggest others may say I'm way off base. I can only tell you what I have learned from experience. You have to make your own decisions for yourself

    Its become a common thing that many vets here suggest a test only first cycle. Thats fine. I'm sure you'll get some good gains from it. I myself like a little more in the mix. Like I said test only is fine if you want to stop there.

    The most coming thing to ad is deca . Yes its mild on the sides. Yes you get good gains. However, if you do chose deca it will mean that an anti estrogen alone will not prevent gyno 100%. Another substance such as bromo will be needed in case of progesterone related gyno. For this reason alone I suggest eq (Equipoise ). The gains are not quit as big but you will keep more of them and that sounds like a good trade off to me.

    Dbol and other orals.
    I know many of you would like to ad these to a first stack. I did and from experience let me tell you its not a good idea. The side effects are just too high. I was doubled over in bed from my the pains in my liver. Other have had pains from excessive back pumps to the point of missing workouts. trust me on this one save the orals till you know how your gonna react to a all injectable cycle it will make it easier

    Doses

    I suggest you run test at about 500mg. Some say thats over kill and 250mg is plenty first time around. For some maybe. I know for a fact for me it wouldn't have been enough. I upped my doses mid cycle from 400mg to 600mg before I got satisfactory results from my test. To me 500mg is in no way shape or form excessive.

    For the eq or deca I would run it at 300-400mg. Ran mine at 400mg. I felt it had a great effect on me.

    Other thing you need to be taking

    Lots of water. I am not shitting you when I say on a cycle I drink 2+ gallons a day. I just drink it out of a 1 gallon jug. Hope you don't get in trouble at work for being in the bathroom every 15 min.

    Anti estrogen. I personally take nolva though out the whole cycle @ 20mg. If I feel itchy or sore nipples I up it to 50mg till its gone. Then its back to 20mg. I run it till I'm done with my PCT (post cycle therapy ). Other good things to run with or instead of nolva liquadex, ferma, Arimidex . Read around you'll see a couple others. Nolva for me is simply cheap available and effective.

    Post Cycle Therapy (PCT) I follow the idea that clomid alone is a perfectly fine PCT for most cycles. I will say for any kinda cycle your going to be doing here it is. The thing is you wanna start your clomid when the majority of the anabolics are out of your system. For that you need to know that test Enathate (which is the test I recommend you use right now) after 2 weeks will diminish enough to Begin PCT. For deca and eq it will be roughly 3 weeks. So you will simply end the eq/deca a week before the test.

    The correct way to run clomid:
    day 1 300mg
    day 2-11 100mg ed (every day)
    day 12-21 50 mg ed

    Final thought

    For the most part this is very general. I tried to keep it that way. I did not intend this to be a all you need to know about steroids by Ron type of thing. I do not have all the answers. There are many things to learn and I just wanted to give you a good step in the right direction. I have been on this board for years and all I have learned it has taught me. Still everyday I learn something new. Take your time. Read the threads. Read the educational forum. Ask questions. There are many very smart Bros on here. Take advantage of them. Steroids are not a quick fix like some people think. They are a drug you are putting into your body. Make sure before you do this you know what they are and what they will do to you.
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    Great post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RON
    "I'm new and I'm looking for a good fist cycle"

    Ok new guys this seems to be a big topic here so here is a post for you. First of all this is not a recipe just a guide line on what you should be researching. You need to learn about these substances in more depth than I will go into here. However, for the new member just coming to AR I think this will answer a lot of questions. If nothing else you will see that there is a lot of studying in your future and there is no quick way to cycle properly

    1st cut vs bulk

    A lot of people seem to feel you can both cut and bulk at the same time. Well I'm telling you right now to forget that idea. If your ready to start your journey down the dark path you should start it with a good old fashion bulking stack. Don't waist your first stack with a cutter. Save that for after you've gained some more size. If you feel like you need to cut, do it naturally before your first cycle.

    Diet

    This IMO is where most mistakes are made. I try to keep it somewhat clean while bulking but some of you worry way too much about what you eat. This causes many of you to not eat enough. I also think people need to get more carbs while bulking. I've seen many people trying to bulk on what I would consider a cutting diet.

    For bulking I suggest high protein, med carbs and low fats. As a general rule I try to consume about 2 g of protein per lb daily while bulking although sometimes I don't get it all in. When I'm not bulking my carb intake is quite low so the boost in carbs gives me quite a treat.

    Do some research before you start any Anabolic cycle on how your body reacts to certain diets. If you in an advanced enough stage to be using Anabolics you should already know how you reacts to diets and exactly how many calories you need to eat to accomplish the weight you are looking to acquire. Ask for diet help if you need it. There are many people on AR who know more about diet than I ever will.

    Make sure you get a good multi-vit in the mix. Specially with low fat diets.

    The Gear
    The are many right and many wrong ways to do things here. There is no one magic formula for cycling. Many people do it many different ways. Many of those ways work well. Many don't. Things I may suggest others may say I'm way off base. I can only tell you what I have learned from experience. You have to make your own decisions for yourself

    Its become a common thing that many vets here suggest a test only first cycle. Thats fine. I'm sure you'll get some good gains from it. I myself like a little more in the mix. Like I said test only is fine if you want to stop there.

    The most coming thing to ad is deca . Yes its mild on the sides. Yes you get good gains. However, if you do chose deca it will mean that and anti estrogen alone will not prevent gyno 100%. Another substance such as bromo will be needed in case of progesterone related gyno. For this reason alone I suggest eq (Equipoise ). The gains are not quit as big but you will keep more of them and that sounds like a good trade off to me.

    Dbol and other orals.
    I know many of you would like to ad these to a first stack. I did and from experience let me tell you its not a good idea. The side effects are just too high. I was doubled over in bed from my the pains in my liver. Other have had pains from excessive back pumps to the point of missing workouts. trust me on this one save the orals till you know how your gonna react to a all injectable cycle it will make it easier

    Doses

    I suggest you run test at about 500mg. Some say thats over kill and 250mg is plenty first time around. For some maybe. I know for a fact for me it wouldn't have been enough. I upped my doses mid cycle from 400mg to 600mg before I got satisfactory results from my test. To me 500mg is in no way shape or form excessive.

    For the eq or deca I would run it at 300-400mg. Ran mine at 400mg. I felt it had a great effect on me.

    Other thing you need to be taking

    Lots of water. I am not shitting you when I say on a cycle I drink 2+ gallons a day. I just drink it out of a 1 gallon jug. Hope you don't get in trouble at work for being in the bathroom every 15 min.

    Anti estrogen. I personally take nolva though out the whole cycle @ 20mg. If I feel itchy or sore nipples I up it to 50mg till its gone. Then its back to 20mg. I run it till I'm done with my PCT (post cycle therapy ). Other good things to run with or instead of nolva liquadex, ferma, Arimidex . Read around you'll see a couple others. Nolva for me is simply cheap available and effective.

    Post Cycle Therapy (PCT) I follow the idea that clomid alone is a perfectly fine PCT for most cycles. I will say for any kinda cycle your going to be doing here it is. The thing is you wanna start your clomid when the majority of the anabolics are out of your system. For that you need to know that test Enathate (which is the test I recommend you use right now) after 2 weeks will diminish enough to Begin PCT. For deca and eq it will be roughly 3 weeks. So you will simply end the eq/deca a week before the test.

    The correct way to run clomid:
    day 1 300mg
    day 2-11 100mg ed (every day)
    day 12-21 50 mg ed

    Final thought

    For the most part this is very general. I tried to keep it that way. I did not intend this to be a all you need to know about steroids by Ron type of thing. I do not have all the answers. There are many things to learn and I just wanted to give you a good step in the right direction. I have been on this board for years and all I have learned it has taught me. Still everyday I learn something new. Take your time. Read the threads. Read the educational forum. Ask questions. There are many very smart Bros on here. Take advantage of them. Steroids are not a quick fix like some people think. They are a drug you are putting into your body. Make sure before you do this you know what they are and what they will do to you.

    EXCELLENT POST!!!
    Last edited by RON; 11-06-2003 at 11:37 AM.

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    This is a great guide............ Maybe it should be a sticky so it doesn't get lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMudMan
    This is a great guide............ Maybe it should be a sticky so it doesn't get lost.
    Done

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    bump...good post bro.

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    Great post Ron...altho i have one question - you say

    "For that you need to know that test Enathate (which is the test I recommend you use right now) after 2 weeks will diminish enough to Begin PCT. For deca and eq it will be roughly 3 weeks. So you will simply end the deca/eq a week before the test."

    wouldn't that mean that you'd end the deca/eq one week before test, rather than the other way around?

    ex.

    wks 1-12 deca or eq
    wks 1-13 test e
    wk 15 - start clomid

    ?? just want to make sure i'm reading right

    great post tho ron...
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    cb, thanks for catching the typo. I guess if I tell you one thing then reverse it in the last sentence it would get really confusing huh? Better now right?

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    Very good Ron. Liked the part about the orals.

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    Good post *****

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    Top little post that one, especially about how to run Clomid.

    Thanks Ron

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    Good post. I say we just leave this be and not complicate it by adding posts with questions to it. Keep it simple and not get off the subject.
    IMO.

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    great post Ron. thanks!

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    Great post, I agree we all have different ideas of what a good first cycle is, ultimately it's up to the Bro that's going to do it. Orals are defiantly out for a first cycle, save um for the 3 or 4th cycle.

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    Outstanding!! Short, concise, and to the point. It definatly gets a newbie started.

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    Sweet post bro.

    I wouldn't mind puting a link to it in my sig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RON
    Take your time. Read the threads. Read the educational forum. Ask questions.
    Great post Ron!!!

    And new bros, when you do ask questions please PLEASE state your age, training experience and diet. All the good bros here do want to help, but first you have to help us help you.

    Red

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Ketchup
    Great post Ron!!!

    And new bros, when you do ask questions please PLEASE state your age, training experience and diet. All the good bros here do want to help, but first you have to help us help you.

    Red
    Great post RON....and nice add on Red

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    You run the clomid for a long time. Two weeks is enough surely??

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    Quote Originally Posted by bodgit
    You run the clomid for a long time. Two weeks is enough surely??
    2 weeks is not enough to recover HPTA.

    And when you make a statement it makes it more cedible if you don't use "??" in it

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMudMan
    2 weeks is not enough to recover HPTA.

    And when you make a statement it makes it more cedible if you don't use "??" in it
    It was a question, not a statement. For the most part I've seen 10-14 days recommended. I guess it depends on the levels of gear used during the cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bodgit
    It was a question, not a statement. For the most part I've seen 10-14 days recommended. I guess it depends on the levels of gear used during the cycle.
    Above is the 300/100/50 is actually what I would suggest for a mild to med cycle. For a really heavy cycle I might add another 10days at 50mg. Possibly even some hcg .
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    i say

    we just stop helping people and just party around here!!!let the other boards help so they can get some traffic and try to be as good as AR. we should send all newbies to other sites to research and them have them come back here after like a year or so. i can't even answer questions anymore.it makes my brain hurt to think sometimes

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    Ron, this is a GREAT post.

    Is there anyway you can make sure that new member read this before they can get access to the forums and ask questions that you have already answered here?

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    question on sustanon?

    I am a first time user. I play college baseball and i was wondering what anyone thought about using sus for my first cycle, i'm planning on stacking d-bol with it. can anyone reply on what they think, i would appreciate it! thanks

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    First real stack.

    This is my first post. I've done steriods before, but never a full stack. Just a little something here and there. I want to do a full stack now and was wondering if I could get some wisdom from some of you more experienced users. I've got 75mg/10ml Trenbolone Acetate, 100mg/20ml Winny, 200mg/10ml Equipoise , and 25mcg/100tabs Cytomel . What of this should I take, how much, how often, how long? I am looking for some serious cutting and hoping I got some of the right stuff. Let me know what you think.

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    Just read this, might be old BUT KICK ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm definatley going by this for my first cycle. Thanks ron!

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    newbie looking for some advice

    hey my friend and i are 17 and we are looking to take some deca .... we're both high school athletes and some **** good ones if i might add...we want to know if we take one cycle will we see any major side effects with our liver or anything? and anything else we should really take into consideration before use... thanks guys
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    Quote Originally Posted by RON
    "I'm new and I'm looking for a good fist cycle"

    Ok new guys this seems to be a big topic here so here is a post for you. First of all this is not a recipe just a guide line on what you should be researching. You need to learn about these substances in more depth than I will go into here. However, for the new member just coming to AR I think this will answer a lot of questions. If nothing else you will see that there is a lot of studying in your future and there is no quick way to cycle properly

    1st cut vs bulk

    A lot of people seem to feel you can both cut and bulk at the same time. Well I'm telling you right now to forget that idea. If your ready to start your journey down the dark path you should start it with a good old fashion bulking stack. Don't waist your first stack with a cutter. Save that for after you've gained some more size. If you feel like you need to cut, do it naturally before your first cycle.

    Diet

    This IMO is where most mistakes are made. I try to keep it somewhat clean while bulking but some of you worry way too much about what you eat. This causes many of you to not eat enough. I also think people need to get more carbs while bulking. I've seen many people trying to bulk on what I would consider a cutting diet.

    For bulking I suggest high protein, med carbs and low fats. As a general rule I try to consume about 2 g of protein per lb daily while bulking although sometimes I don't get it all in. When I'm not bulking my carb intake is quite low so the boost in carbs gives me quite a treat.

    Do some research before you start any Anabolic cycle on how your body reacts to certain diets. If you in an advanced enough stage to be using Anabolics you should already know how you reacts to diets and exactly how many calories you need to eat to accomplish the weight you are looking to acquire. Ask for diet help if you need it. There are many people on AR who know more about diet than I ever will.

    Make sure you get a good multi-vit in the mix. Specially with low fat diets.

    The Gear
    The are many right and many wrong ways to do things here. There is no one magic formula for cycling. Many people do it many different ways. Many of those ways work well. Many don't. Things I may suggest others may say I'm way off base. I can only tell you what I have learned from experience. You have to make your own decisions for yourself

    Its become a common thing that many vets here suggest a test only first cycle. Thats fine. I'm sure you'll get some good gains from it. I myself like a little more in the mix. Like I said test only is fine if you want to stop there.

    The most coming thing to ad is deca . Yes its mild on the sides. Yes you get good gains. However, if you do chose deca it will mean that an anti estrogen alone will not prevent gyno 100%. Another substance such as bromo will be needed in case of progesterone related gyno. For this reason alone I suggest eq (Equipoise ). The gains are not quit as big but you will keep more of them and that sounds like a good trade off to me.

    Dbol and other orals.
    I know many of you would like to ad these to a first stack. I did and from experience let me tell you its not a good idea. The side effects are just too high. I was doubled over in bed from my the pains in my liver. Other have had pains from excessive back pumps to the point of missing workouts. trust me on this one save the orals till you know how your gonna react to a all injectable cycle it will make it easier

    Doses

    I suggest you run test at about 500mg. Some say thats over kill and 250mg is plenty first time around. For some maybe. I know for a fact for me it wouldn't have been enough. I upped my doses mid cycle from 400mg to 600mg before I got satisfactory results from my test. To me 500mg is in no way shape or form excessive.

    For the eq or deca I would run it at 300-400mg. Ran mine at 400mg. I felt it had a great effect on me.

    Other thing you need to be taking

    Lots of water. I am not ****ting you when I say on a cycle I drink 2+ gallons a day. I just drink it out of a 1 gallon jug. Hope you don't get in trouble at work for being in the bathroom every 15 min.

    Anti estrogen. I personally take nolva though out the whole cycle @ 20mg. If I feel itchy or sore nipples I up it to 50mg till its gone. Then its back to 20mg. I run it till I'm done with my PCT (post cycle therapy ). Other good things to run with or instead of nolva liquadex, ferma, Arimidex . Read around you'll see a couple others. Nolva for me is simply cheap available and effective.

    Post Cycle Therapy (PCT) I follow the idea that clomid alone is a perfectly fine PCT for most cycles. I will say for any kinda cycle your going to be doing here it is. The thing is you wanna start your clomid when the majority of the anabolics are out of your system. For that you need to know that test Enathate (which is the test I recommend you use right now) after 2 weeks will diminish enough to Begin PCT. For deca and eq it will be roughly 3 weeks. So you will simply end the eq/deca a week before the test.

    The correct way to run clomid:
    day 1 300mg
    day 2-11 100mg ed (every day)
    day 12-21 50 mg ed

    Final thought

    For the most part this is very general. I tried to keep it that way. I did not intend this to be a all you need to know about steroids by Ron type of thing. I do not have all the answers. There are many things to learn and I just wanted to give you a good step in the right direction. I have been on this board for years and all I have learned it has taught me. Still everyday I learn something new. Take your time. Read the threads. Read the educational forum. Ask questions. There are many very smart Bros on here. Take advantage of them. Steroids are not a quick fix like some people think. They are a drug you are putting into your body. Make sure before you do this you know what they are and what they will do to you.

    THANX....good info
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    thanx for the info what bout primo depot instead of the equipoise (cant get into the doggy horsy stuff)

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    Thanks guy. If you have questions it would benifit you to make another thread for it. It would get answered easier.

    Just to help out I'll say primo sucks I'd rather do deca . And 17 is way too young

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    ron, im a newbie and this answered a lot of my questions thanks.

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    Thumbs up

    keep this up. Newbies: read and learn and never forget

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    Hi all!! I very new to roids and i all i have done so far is a cycle of anatest and d-bol, but i need some help and info on how much to take and what to take. I am bout 150-160lbs jumping back and fourth and i'm looking to get up to bout 175 lean. I took 2cc's of test 1nce a week and and 4 tabs a day for d-bol. Any suggests on how many cc's of test to take and d-bol. am i doing this thing right or what? please help either post here or e-mail me please any help would be appreciated thanks!

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    Hi all!! I very new to roids and i all i have done so far is a cycle of anatest and d-bol, but i need some help and info on how much to take and what to take. I am bout 150-160lbs jumping back and fourth and i'm looking to get up to bout 175 lean. I took 2cc's of test 1nce a week and and 4 tabs a day for d-bol. Any suggests on how many cc's of test to take and d-bol. am i doing this thing right or what? please help either post here or e-mail me please any help would be appreciated thanks!
    I,M CHEEKY ME

    WHATS YOUR TRAINING EXPERIENCE STARTING WEIGHTGOALS, HOW OFTEN YOU TRAIN. Seriousy have a look arounf and think it throgt the info is out there already I found that out the hard way.

    IN FACT THIS POST GIVES A GOOD START

    500mg enthanate
    3-400mg eq/deca
    NOLVA 20MG THROUGH OUT TILL END OF PCT
    clomid 300mg day1
    clomid 100mg day2-11
    clomid 50mg day 12-21

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    Question...

    I am going to be trying the cycle above. I had a few questions though.. probably stupid ones, but im new. He says that 500 mg of test.. Is that per day or week? One shot per week? Also.. the place I was looking has.. Chemical Name: Testosterone Cypionate , Chemical Name: Testosterone Propionate
    both by british dragon. Are either one of theses the same as test enathate he metioned above? Thanks for the help

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    hey heres a tight cycle take d bol to start for 3 weeks are so just to get a kick start take about 40 mgs a day. Then get 10 amps of sustonon or omedren and take that on the last week of dbol like 1 cc every five days. about the last two weeks of sustenon go ahead and start some equipoise if you want and if your already pretty lean scre the equi and go to some deca on the last five weeks of the omadren or sustenon. you should be 30-40 pounds hevier and stronger than you thought you would ever be.

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    Question Ratio???

    I weigh 150lbs, I am 5,6 and I have 130 dbols...what is the best way to take it...I am a novice to juice but not to training...i have been lifting weights for 7 years...can you help?

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    I'm not sure if you are the right person to answer my question or not but anyways here goes. I'm a newbie and any feedback you can give me would be greatly appreciated. Want to try gear and here is what I can get ahold of for my first cutting cycle.This will also be my first time with gear as well. A friend at my gym can get me Wynnie and EQ. What should my dosage be and I don't see any cycles like this listed, should I hold off until I can get some better "equipment" or run this and hope all goes well?

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    Roids at Fourty Nine ?

    Ron

    I have just turned fourt nine. I have been working out since I was eighteen but because of my metabolism I have never been able to have good gains. Is it work giving the gear a try at my age, I have always wanted to give it a go. Have I left my run to late ?

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