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Thread: Anavar FAQ - A great read.

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    From a newbie: learned a lot Thanks

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    def good read!

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    Oxandrolone also has little effect on the body's own natural hormone production. The negative feedback was found to be very minor, meaning that during short term use no suppression of Gonadotropin releasing hormone (GnRH, start of natural testosterone production) was noted. This meant that whatever gains made, as little as they may have been, were very easily maintained post-cycle. So there was also no use for products like Clomid or Nolvadex in conjunction with oxandrolone consumption. The easy to maintain low gains would indicate a low binding to the androgen receptor. While not extremely high, it should actually be noted that it does have quite decent binding to the androgen receptor. But the reason for its mild effects is quite likely the low dose used. Rarely if ever are doses higher than 20 mg used on a daily basis. Either because of convenience or due to the high price. But comparing that the doses of other steroids this is remarkably low. So its only logical the gains and side-effects aren't particularly notable.

    Read this information on this site...not saying its all correct, but just looks like some good information to read.
    http://steroids.x-doctors.com/winstr...bol-10-mg.html

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    Big Cat is wrong in that. He states that "rarely if ever are doses higher than 20 mg used on a daily basis". Most people ive read about dont even go lower than 50mg

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    Reading this thread, Var sounds great. My question is why is a 10-12 week cycle of test enth suggested for newbie's? From what I have read, it seems var would be a more logical choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kirk3624
    Reading this thread, Var sounds great. My question is why is a 10-12 week cycle of test enth suggested for newbie's? From what I have read, it seems var would be a more logical choice.
    Please don't get the wrong vibe from this response. Var
    is more of a supplemental workout choice. You use Var in conjuntion with your normal test supplement. If you decide to use an oral, do something around the lines of 12 weeks prop and use the var on the beginning or last half of your cycle depending on how much you have avail. Dont ever use an oral as your meat and potatoes so to speak.. Hope that helps bro.. OTher bros, back me up already.!

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    Just my opinion, but I dont understand how it is possible to comment on the effectiveness of a drug unless it has been used on its own. Once you stack a drug with another, it is almost impossible to tell which drug did what and what drug did or didnt perform....

    Alot of dudes are commenting on anavar after it has been added along to another compound in a cycle...

    You cant comment on it's effectiveness unless its been done SOLO!!!!!!
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    should I stack anavar with trenbolone or stanazolol if so in what dosage

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    Very informative. Thanks.

    I had previously read the post regarding not needing PCT on another site, but after reading the first post here, looks like I need to do more research.
    Last edited by phoenix13; 08-29-2006 at 12:40 PM.

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    great post!! I am starting a cycle of sust and am going to stack with var. Some great help bro!

    Thanxs

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    Quote Originally Posted by robotechjair
    I am fairly new in this forum and fairly new to steroids. Just finish a mild cycle and gained 17 pouns of solid muscle. I am 5' 11" and weight about 203lbs with 10% bf. My ?? is that i have recently aquired 200 spa anavar pills. My source told me they are 5mg, but every book and web page tells me spa only makes 2.5 mg pills. Who is correct?
    I've got the same problem atm. I've got access to 5mg var from SPA but all the research I've done says the SPA variety only comes in 2.5mg.
    did yours look like this?
    http://forums.steroid.com/attachment...8&d=1172662861

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    Thank you for info on women & var

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    i was wondering about steroid alternatives do they work and what is agood one or stack to start with

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    quick question.....i just ordered anavar the is claimed to be 30mg/per pill......can this be true????? curious cuz i didnt see it in your list of brands?????

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    I've been taking 50mg anavar per day for 5 weeks with nothing else. Ive been training 6 days a week 2 hrs per day. Included in that is 6kms running in morning and 6kms walking at night which accounts for about an hour of it. My diet consists of about 800-900 calories per day. Would you believe I have gained 1.5 kg per week for the last 3 weeks?

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    How would a anavar + dianabol cycle work ?

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    personally i wouldnt do it. kind of contradicts dont you think. One is lean and vascularity and the other retains A LOT of water

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    If you do Var with Creatine (not mono) you can prevent the water retention, alongside doing some Nova.
    It should be a clean-cut[ting] cycle.

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    Awesome post thanks bro!

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    Quote Originally Posted by donovan303 View Post
    I've been taking 50mg anavar per day for 5 weeks with nothing else. Ive been training 6 days a week 2 hrs per day. Included in that is 6kms running in morning and 6kms walking at night which accounts for about an hour of it. My diet consists of about 800-900 calories per day. Would you believe I have gained 1.5 kg per week for the last 3 weeks?
    800-900 calories A DAY??? Good lordy thats low...AND you gained weight haha...thats crazy.

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    On var and winny right now, 40mg ed var and 50 winny. Love these two

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    When/how to start clomid?

    Great read !! Just started var today for the first time. Gonna run with 30mgs a day for 8 weeks. Could anyone tell me when/how to start clomid? Thanks !!

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    Var is my favorite

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    great read

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    Solid advice, I took my first steroid cycle with var and had amazing gains, but I noticed greatly increased aggression if I drank at all and water retention, though I had no acne problems. Muscles got super hard, but not too much bigger and it has little weight gain. I would tell anyone to use it, but it is expensive.

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    Maybe this thread is too old but I have a question that I haven't seen addressed elsewhere. According to this study (http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi...01-1-1150928.x), anavar can greatly decrease shbg levels. What exactly does shbg do? Should I be concerned about this? I tried to do a little research but I couldn't turn up much information other than that low shgb levels are a possible indicator of diabetes. Any insight would be helpful. Thanks.

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    Great old post.

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    This should be stickied!

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    Quote Originally Posted by XBiker View Post
    Alright guys, I have seen a lot of ?'s concerning anavar lately.

    If I were to be stranded on an island with only one AAS to choose, I would take var over everything else. Why??

    It's an oral, so no poking. It's a mild drug and is only slightly liver toxic. It makes you strong, lean, hard, and no aggression (IMO). If anything, it makes me feel jolly and warm.

    This was originally posted by Twitched over at Elite.

    Enjoy!

    FAQ



    Is oxandrolone an effective bridge?

    See "Does anavar supress your HPTA".

    What is the highest recommended dose for bodybuilding purposes?

    From my research, the consensus is that anything over 80mg shows extreme diminishing returns.

    Does oxandrolone supress your HPTA (natural testosterone production)?

    Yes. Research shows as little as 2.5mg can supress in some folks. As far as the effects of this lowered test production, at 40mg a day, I would say that it's pretty much split evenly. Half of people will attest to loss of sex drive and testicular shrinkage late cycle, while about half attest that they retained sexual drive without any shrinkage. Bridging users be forewarned.

    Reference: (Effect of low dose oxandrolone and testosterone treatment on the pituitary-testicular and GH axes in boys with constitutional delay of growth and puberty. Crowne EC, Wallace WH, Moore C, Mitchell R, Robertson WH, Holly JM, Shalet SM. )

    Is clomid needed post cycle?

    Yes. This should be apparent from the above question. You may find that 50mg/day for two weeks is enough however.

    Oxandrolone and liver damage. What's the deal?

    There is room for serious debate here. Oxandroline is 17-alpha-alkylated, so it's starting off on a bad foot. Oxandrolone has shown to cause liver values to sway outside of the "normal zone" for some posters (which may or may not indicate liver toxicity, this is debatable), however, the insert also states that oxandrolone can alter blood test results. I would treat this drug as liver toxic, supplimenting with a lot of ALA, Liver Detox, etc. However, this drug has also been used at 80mg/day to treat (and reverse!) liver damage in alcohol abusers. Hard to say what this means. My advice is to play it safe and treat it like any other 17aa oral.

    Reference: (1: Am J Gastroenterol 1991 Sep;86(9):1200-8, A randomized, controlled trial of treatment of alcoholic hepatitis with parenteral nutrition and oxandrolone. I. Short-term effects on liver function. Bonkovsky HL, Fiellin DA, Smith GS, Slaker DP, Simon D, Galambos JT.)


    Cholesterol? Heart attack time?

    User experience seems to point to the fact that prolonged use does bring your good cholesterol down and your bad cholesterol up. Take your flax seed oil.

    "Also, because oral steroids can decrease the "good" HDL cholesterol and increase the "bad" LDL cholesterol, oral steroids can increase the risk of cardiovascular disease (CVD). If you use oral anabolic steroids consider taking 400 to 800 IU of Vitamin E, and 1,000 to 2,000 mg. of Vitamin C with each meal. These vitamin antioxidants help to protect cholesterol from the oxidation that is associated with CVD."

    (Oxandrin May Cause Liver Toxicity, by Michael Mooney (Original article in issue #7, October, 1998. Updated July, 2001)

    Will grapefruit speed absorbtion?

    Naringen present in grapefruit juice has shown to increase absorbtion of 17 alpha-ethinylestradiol (EE2), however, it is pure speculation as to its effects are similar in 17-alpha-alkylated substances. Hey, it cant hurt!

    (Can grapefruit juice influence ethinylestradiol bioavailability? Author: Weber A; J¨ager R; B¨orner A; Klinger G; Vollanth R; Matthey K; Balogh A)


    What about the different brands of Oxandrolone floating around? What to choose?

    ** "10mg tabs" Street price: ~$.40/"10mg"

    This product must be chewed says the "manufacturer". This product is underdosed, and of dubious purity and consistency. Lab results on a test done on another board showed the pills to contain a little over 4mg of oxandrolone.

    BTG/SPA 2.5mg tabs. Street price: 1-2$ per pill.

    Exceptional results can be obtained with this product using signifigantly lower doses (e.g. 25mg instead of 40mg). This can probobly be attributed to greater absorbtion via proprietary "delivery systems". Outstanding product if you can afford it.

    Spanish Generic 10mg caps. Street price: $1/cap.

    Nothing but positive feedback so far. Tested within pharm. margin of error (+-10%). Here are the results. These are great if you can still get them.

    Percentage OX: 4.42%
    Percentage moisture: 2.1%

    Total OX content: 9.55mg

    (Credit goes to Fonz.)

    Ttokkyo Labs. 5mg tabs. Street price: around 1.50 each.

    Consistent, well dosed product. Does not seem to have the absorbtion or potency of the BTG/SPA product. Because of the extreme cost, I would never choose this over BTG or SPA except for availability issues.

    Side effects?

    Common side effects you should be prepared for: Appetite loss, stomach discomfort, increase skin "grease". I personally suffered extreme loss of appetite, but no stomach discomfort. Appetite came back in 1 week.

    Rarer side effects: acne

    Overall, this is an extremely mild drug. You should experience virtually no side effects. Those you do experience will diminish over time.

    As ulter once said "safer then baby food".

    How long before it kicks in?

    Individual thing. Varies on product line as well. BTG hits quickest, ** slowest if at all.

    I noticed vascularity and hardness within 2-3 days with generics, and strength in 2.5 weeks. Huck saw strength in 3 days on BTG. Wait about 3 weeks for the full effect before you get dissapointed.

    Vascularity and hardness will come quick, it's very nice. I had spiderweb viens on my pecs that I've never seen before in just 3 days on Ox.

    What is this drug used for?

    Involuntary weight loss. HIV, AIDS, burns etc. Liver treatment in severe alcohol induced liver damage.

    What is the halflife of Ox?

    ~9 hours.

    When should ox be dosed?

    There are two camps.

    Camp 1: Take it all in the morning. The rationale is that your blood concentrations will 'fall off' by the time you go to bed, which will limit HPTA impact during this crucial "recentering" time for your body.

    Camp 2: Spread it out evenly through the day. This will keep blood concentrations steady. Plus, don't we want that nice anabolic substance in our veins during our growth at night?

    My comments: With a halflife of 9 hours, this issue is virtually meaningless. The ideas used in "camp 1" apply well when you have a substance with a 3 hour halflife (dbol ), (e.g. if 30mg of dbol is taken at 9am, only about 1 miligram is left in your bloodstream by bedtime. great.) I don't think things pan out so well with a 9 hour halflife drug. If 40mg is taken at 9am, at bedtime you will have approximately 10mg or more in your bloodstream. You would have about 15 at bedtime if you took it 4 times evenly through the day. I don't think you are giving your body any dropoff at night anyway.

    Conclusion: Take it whenever you want. Choose the camp you agree with and do it, things will work out.


    What gains can I expect?

    Individual question. I've heard of folks with no gain in lbm, I've heard of a 15lb gain. It all depends on your diet, brand, etc. However, don't expect this to pack 3 times the punch of a sust/dbol cycle because it costs 3 times as much. .

    This question is actually pretty silly, so I won't delve into it.
    You CAN expect hardness and vascularity.

    How about doses for women?

    Go scope out the Womens discussion. However, from the grape vine I've heard of dosages starting at 2.5mg/day ramping up to 10mg/day. I wouldn't recommend more. I know little about anabolics in women though. Don't use anything but BTG/SPA. The cost is so small with female dosages and the damage done to a women's body from counterfiets is far too great. Overmore, you can't dose small amounts accurately with 10mg caps/tabs.


    How long is a typical Oxandrolone cycle?

    Most tend to agree longer is better with Ox. 6 weeks seems to be the minimum, while 10 weeks is recommended and common. Over 10 weeks might be stressful on the ole' liver.

    Where can I get some?

    Read the board rules ya jabroni!
    Thanks man. Educational as hell.

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    Great info, thanks

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    Nice posts fellas! very informative...I will let you know how my var only cycles turns out!

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    awnsered alot of question's last one is nolvadex just as good for pct with var as clomid if so what would the dosing of that be ,thanks ,

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    Quote Originally Posted by AthleticEngineering View Post
    Maybe this thread is too old but I have a question that I haven't seen addressed elsewhere. According to this study (http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi...01-1-1150928.x), anavar can greatly decrease shbg levels. What exactly does shbg do? Should I be concerned about this? I tried to do a little research but I couldn't turn up much information other than that low shgb levels are a possible indicator of diabetes. Any insight would be helpful. Thanks.
    Your link is about young guys on puberty while I believe any aas should not be used if your biological age is under 25yo. So, your reported study, do not apply.
    In any case:

    SHBG: Glycoprotein with high affinity for testosterone and estradiol, it is a protein of transport that conveys the steroidal hormones in the bloodstream to the target tissues.

    After it was produced in the cells of testicular Leydig, under the influence of pituitary hormone LH (luteinising), the testosterone enter the stream circulatory where special binds to plasma proteins. Thanks to this link the testosterone may be transported to the various tissues where explains its own functions. In the blood of man the 45% of testosterone is linked with the SHBG (sex hormon binding protein), while the 53% is linked with the albumin (this protein has an affinity for the testosterone 1000 times lower than the SHBG but its blood concentration is 1000 times higher). Only 2% of testosterone ttl in man can migrate to the cells and exercise specific functions. The level of SHBG in the body varies from individual to individual and may be altered by many factors. An increased level of estrogen and thyroid hormones is associated with an increased concentration of SHBG and vice versa. The recruitment of anabolic steroids with high androgenic sides are associated with a decline of levels of SHBG.
    The link of testosterone with the SHBG protects from a fast metabolism by ensuring blood concentration more stable and maintaining unchanged until reaching the target tissues. In the membranes plasma sensitive cells to its action were recently discovered specific receptors for the SHBG. In the light of these discoveries these carriers not acting only as mere carriers but hold a more complex that has yet to be clarified.
    Anabolic steroids have different affinity for the SHBG. For some this feature is marked for other less. Some of them, as the proviron , are used for their strong tendency to bind with these proteins. This feature, apparently disadvantage, can become particularly useful if you are using at the same time other anabolic steroids.
    Last edited by BJJ; 09-15-2009 at 02:27 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJJ View Post
    Your link is about young guys on puberty while I believe any aas should not be used if your biological age is under 25yo. So, your reported study, do not apply.
    In any case:

    SHBG: Glycoprotein with high affinity for testosterone and estradiol, it is a protein of transport that conveys the steroidal hormones in the bloodstream to the target tissues.

    After it was produced in the cells of testicular Leydig, under the influence of pituitary hormone LH (luteinising), the testosterone enter the stream circulatory where special binds to plasma proteins. Thanks to this link the testosterone may be transported to the various tissues where explains its own functions. In the blood of man the 45% of testosterone is linked with the SHBG (sex hormon binding protein), while the 53% is linked with the albumin (this protein has an affinity for the testosterone 1000 times lower than the SHBG but its blood concentration is 1000 times higher). Only 2% of testosterone ttl in man can migrate to the cells and exercise specific functions. The level of SHBG in the body varies from individual to individual and may be altered by many factors. An increased level of estrogen and thyroid hormones is associated with an increased concentration of SHBG and vice versa. The recruitment of anabolic steroids with high androgenic sides are associated with a decline of levels of SHBG.
    The link of testosterone with the SHBG protects from a fast metabolism by ensuring blood concentration more stable and maintaining unchanged until reaching the target tissues. In the membranes plasma sensitive cells to its action were recently discovered specific receptors for the SHBG. In the light of these discoveries these carriers not acting only as mere carriers but hold a more complex that has yet to be clarified.
    Anabolic steroids have different affinity for the SHBG. For some this feature is marked for other less. Some of them, as the proviron, are used for their strong tendency to bind with these proteins. This feature, apparently disadvantage, can become particularly useful if you are using at the same time other anabolic steroids.
    I might be wrong Bjj but aren't the studies that support that var is HPTA suppresive done on teenagers as well?...

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    okay so i got a little bit of a long one here , i am cutting weight 4 a jiu jitsu contest and i started Anavar i have 22% bf but i have quite a bit of muscle mass ,lots of ppl are telling me this is gyno waiting to happen wondering what ur guys opinions are ,or if i should take clen and t3 with this cycle and then nolvadex or clomid after ? and if i can only get nolva what the dosing should be like and for how long coming off thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by zepiqueno View Post
    okay so i got a little bit of a long one here , i am cutting weight 4 a jiu jitsu contest and i started Anavar i have 22% bf but i have quite a bit of muscle mass ,lots of ppl are telling me this is gyno waiting to happen wondering what ur guys opinions are ,or if i should take clen and t3 with this cycle and then nolvadex or clomid after ? and if i can only get nolva what the dosing should be like and for how long coming off thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by zepiqueno View Post
    okay so i got a little bit of a long one here , i am cutting weight 4 a jiu jitsu contest and i started Anavar i have 22% bf but i have quite a bit of muscle mass ,lots of ppl are telling me this is gyno waiting to happen wondering what ur guys opinions are ,or if i should take clen and t3 with this cycle and then nolvadex or clomid after ? and if i can only get nolva what the dosing should be like and for how long coming off thanks
    Hello bud,

    Many people say clen impedes cardio a lot.... I would agree with this idea and I know when you are rolling on a mat you need all the cardio you can get.
    You will not notice much a change from the Var with your curent BF.
    I think you should be in the diet section.

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