Low free test/20YO/2 Blood test/ NEED ADVICE REAL BAD!! Ty

[qscgugcsq]

Well Like my title say I'm almost 20YO And my test is low for my age. Blood test first:

19/11/2012
LH(UI/L) 6.8 (range:1.7-8.6)
FSH(UI/L) 3.8 (range: 1.5-12.4) (Yes, my testicle are small a bit)
Test total(nmol/L) 26 (range:10-30)
Test free(pmol/L) 370 (range:223-915)
SHBG(nmol/L) 68.1 (range:12-46)
Estradiol: (they didn't test it, I was ****ing angry...)

I expected low test because I felt some low test related issue.
I started eating more simple carbs(for insulin spike and increase IGF-1)
I buyed:
Vitamin D: 5000ui/day
TGH boost(a test booster): 2caps/day
Saw palmetto: 1cap/day

2 month later I took another blood test:

17/01/2013
LH(UI/L) 5.8 (range:1.7-8.6) -1
FSH(UI/L) 4 (range: 1.5-12.4) +0.2
Test total(nmol/L) 27.2 (range:10-30) +1.2
Test free(pmol/L) 471 (range:223-915) +101
SHBG(nmol/L) 54.8 (range:12-46) -13.3
Estradiol(pmol/L) 53 (range:28-156)


My problem is:
I can't ****ing get hard by visual stimulation... I just can't!! My girlfriend naked dancing in front of me, NOTHING. Me alone in front of a good porn, NOTHING! I can't ****ing get hard...(I already ordered some cialis BTW can't wait to receive it...)

My beard is hard to grow... It takes me 1 month to reach the same amount of beard than my brothers in 10 days...(I may be overreacting because he is a ****ing monkey but still...) All my family is insanely hairy.

My libido was greatly lacking(2 times/weeks was plenty)... now it's better(4-5times a week) but still low for a 20YO man.(IMO).

Very few motivation... ( can be related to anything but still is there.)

Difficulty to take muscle(however I've got no difficulty to take fat at all). Ex: +5 pounds in 3 month (1.5 pounds of LBM)


At my next blood test I'll check my DHT(for obvious reason) and my GH(because I'm curious and I can do it for free XD).

I am thinking about taking some aromasin(dropping Estradiol + SHBG) at 25mg/E2D. I know my E is not the problem but it will eventually come back to normal and I hope my SHBG won't.

I was also thinking about some Proviron (****ing hard to find BTW ) at 100mg/day.
I need to read more about proviron but it still seems to be a great option.

I would like to have your professional advice on everything above.
I'm open for any suggestion/advice/comment.(plz keep that post alive)

Any med or supplement who could help.(If supplement I would like to have a link of a clinical study that I could read a bit ty )

[Vettester]

On your E2, what we really need is you to get a sensitive assay. Until I see a standard E2 sensitive lab, like Labcorp, I can't say that an AI is the ticket for you.

Do you have some other labs, like Prolactin and a full thyroid panel as well including antibodies?

Any medications, recreational drugs, lifestyle activities, stress, known pathologies, etc ... That would be contributing to these issues?

As you can see, the variable with your low free test is hinging on your SHBG being high. Skip the proviron and go get some stinging nettle root. Consider increasing your Vitamin D as well to minimum of 8,000iu/day.

[qscgugcsq]

I never done any aas or prohormone or anything who could shut down(I forgot to say that...).
I don't think i have any prolactin, but I will add it on my future blood test.
I'm not sure about how to ask E2 sensitive assay to my med but I'll try to get it.
I never gotten script medication, except for some Ventolin, When I was young I was REALLY fat(over 40% bf easily)
I don't have full thyroid panel but I have my TSH(on my first blood test): TSH(mUI/L) 1.67 (range:.35-3.5)

Before My first test I never took anything except suplement (I never consumed any drugs of any kind), Like I said young I was REALLY sedentary I started doing musculation over 4 years ago. My stress is normal, High in some period of time, but I don't have difficulty to calm down.
Younger I was Asthmatic, not anymore. Except that I have no known pathologies.

I will continu taking vit-d and I'll try to get my hand on some stinging nettle root.

But I'm not giving up on proviron or aromasin . Like I said my Estradiol is probably not my problem but lowering my estradiol will still drop my shbg. So I will drop it with the hope that my SHBG will stay low...

Thanks

[qscgugcsq]

Bump

[steroid.com 1]

Your SHBG is elevated and reducing your Free Testosterone . That's why your Total serum level is fine but your Free is low.

Need to reduce SHBG and that be done a number of ways. If you're taking Testosterone you can increase the dosage and out run SHBG.

High SHBG can be caused by a really strong liver producing too much SHBG.

Vitamin D3 is also well known to reduce SHBG as well as the herb Stinging Nettle Root.

Like Vette said, E2 sensitive is very important here as well; if it comes back low and you still have elevated SHBG you know where the problem is.

[qscgugcsq]

I can't get my blood work done now i'll try my aromasin +cortef+clen +cialis cycle get blood work done again around the end of april and test my prolactin/full thyroid panel and my E2 sensitive assay. If I find some stinging root I'll add it to my list of supplement I'm already taking... XD Vit-d/saw palmetto/ZMA/TGH boost. I'll post my result as soon as I get them.

Any other advice about how to drop SHBG??

[lacey23]

I wouldn't be adding proviron or aromasin into the mix. You're 20 years old, and shouldn't be touching things that effect your HPTA. Your body is not deficient in proviron or aromasin or clen . These won't work temporarily, they arn't long term solutions, and they could potentially add more problems.

Have you always had this problem or did it just randomly start? I'm kind of confused a bit in regards to your history of drug use. By the sounds of it you've only taken Ventolin, yet you've been posting on a steroid forum for 6 months, and are all of a sudden considering clen, aromasin, hydrocortisone cycle out of nowhere? This is not a good idea and doesn't exactly add up. Worst case scenario is you cause more problems for yourself. Best case scenario is you prolong the amount of time till you actually fix the situation.

Your E2 is fine. I've ran the Pmol/L test (as it's the only one in Canada) and it's pretty good imo, and always correlated perfectly with my symptoms. Your E2 converts to 14.43pg/ml. E2 isn't the problem. If anything it is on the lower side, Especially when you figure that SHBG binds to estradiol too, and you have high SHBG, so the amount of free/active estradiol you have in the body is not much. Men need estradiol too. Running it any lower with an AI will only make things worse if anything, and reducing it further is not going to hardly budge your SHBG #'s near what you need to. You can also tell that E2 isn't a problem because your total test is near the top of the range. If you had a problem with excessive E2, it would be downregulating GNRH, resulting in less total testosterone then what you have.

The problem is SHBG, so it's a matter of figuring out possible causes of excessive SHBG. Hyper thyroid is one possible cause.

[Vettester]

Regardless of the sound advise you get here, you're just going to do it your way!

Get your E2 sensitive assay before taking any AI!! Period

[boxingfan30]

I was a slow developer, didn't grow facial hair until about 20 or 21 at all, had a soft spot until 5 years old, didn't lose my first tooth until I was 8, was the last kid to grow... I didn't reach my full height until well out of high school. I have no idea what my test was at that time. I didn't have the sexual problems but the hair thing might just be genetic for you regardless of others in your family.

[qscgugcsq]

before my first blood test I never took anything right after I started a clen /keto cycle.
about 3 weeks in I had too stop it(family problem and stress making my training and dieting impossible...)

I didnt start cortef yet, cialis is to control my pressure on clen and help for me erection problem. didnt start anything yet.

I know that my E is not the problem but aromasin is supose to drop shbg so If I lower my Estradiol and also drop SHBG. it wont be so bad. And Im only planning taking aromasin for 2 weeks after discontinuing it. my Estradiol will come back(slowly but will still eventually come back) to normal or less. and i hope that my SHBG wont go up after it.

Yes ill get my E2 sensitive assay but I cant now and I won't wait for it again. I waited enough.

I think its been worst for the last two years but i think it were
there all along.

[lacey23]

2 weeks of Aromasin is not going to magically fix your SHBG. That's very wishful thinking. I know, you want to believe that dropping E/Aromasin is going to magically fix this, but there a ton of different things that can effect SHBG besides estradiol levels, and clearly your estradol levels are not anywhere in the ballpark of the problem.

This would be like having a car that wont start, and seeing that there's plenty of gas in the car. Yet you decide anyways to walk to the gas station to get some more gas for your car because you know that insufficient gas can be a reason a car wont start. There are other reasons why a car wouldn't start.

Dr. Mariano is probably the best doc for this type of thing, and his views is SHBG is an indicator of a problem not a problem in itself. If you have SHBG problems then look to... Insulin /Glucose, Thyroid, Adrenals, E2, Testosterone , Nutrition deficiencies and you will likely find some imbalances. Work on those issues and don't worry so much about SHBG. You should be able to look at your blood results so far and cross 2 of those things off. Testosterone and Estradiol are clearly not problems. Look into the other possibilities.

[boxingfan30]

Just curious, but do you take/have you tried arginine with maybe some other AA's mixed instead of the cialis? I took it in higher doses for a while and the pumps were so intense that my arms actually were swollen for 3 days (in the bad sense like I had been punched in them), but the wood was good on it. You have a rather low total test for a kid your age though. I'm actually pretty surprised by that, but maybe it's not as uncommon as I realize either.

I'll add that my combo was 5g's Arginine and 2.5 of Orinthine twice a day. Which was probably to much in all honesty.

[lacey23]

His total testosterone his on the high end if anything. It's in the upper quartile of the normal range.

Cialis or L-Arganine are good things to help deal with the symptoms while he addresses the actual cause behind the elevated SHBG for sure. But, not the long term cure here.

[boxingfan30]

His total testosterone his on the high end if anything. It's in the upper quartile of the normal range.

Cialis or L-Arganine are good things to help deal with the symptoms while he addresses the actual cause behind the elevated SHBG for sure. But, not the long term cure here.

No, I see now I was looking at the wrong numbers. I'm used to seeing the labcorb numbers with my low free test as well :-(

[steroid.com 1]

2 weeks of Aromasin is not going to magically fix your SHBG. That's very wishful thinking. I know, you want to believe that dropping E/Aromasin is going to magically fix this, but there a ton of different things that can effect SHBG besides estradiol levels, and clearly your estradol levels are not anywhere in the ballpark of the problem.

This would be like having a car that wont start, and seeing that there's plenty of gas in the car. Yet you decide anyways to walk to the gas station to get some more gas for your car because you know that insufficient gas can be a reason a car wont start. There are other reasons why a car wouldn't start.

Dr. Mariano is probably the best doc for this type of thing, and his views is SHBG is an indicator of a problem not a problem in itself. If you have SHBG problems then look to... Insulin/Glucose, Thyroid, Adrenals, E2, Testosterone, Nutrition deficiencies and you will likely find some imbalances. Work on those issues and don't worry so much about SHBG. You should be able to look at your blood results so far and cross 2 of those things off. Testosterone and Estradiol are clearly not problems. Look into the other possibilities.

^^^^This!

[qscgugcsq]

Thyroid is with no doubt fine(will still check them out at my next test), testosterone tot is fine but I think my DHT might be low(ill test it also), insuline/glucose(Its all in good range), E2 is fine too(will take my e2 sensitive assay also), nutrition is ok, the only thing I see is my adrenal. And that's why I'll take cortef.

But I'm willing to do a clenbuterol cycle, so I'll start cortef for the last 3 weeks of my cycle. and pass blood test again.

[lacey23]

Thyroid is with no doubt fine(will still check them out at my next test),

All you've posted is a TSH number, and said you haven't done a full thyroid panel. This is nowhere in the ballpark of sufficient information to properly assert that "thyroid is with no doubt fine".

testosterone tot is fine but I think my DHT might be low(ill test it also),

Your DHT will be low. But again, this is a not the problem. This is a symptom of the problem. DHT is created by 5-ar enzymes turning testosterone into DHT. Since you have low free testosterone you will be low in DHT as well because there isn't as much testosterone to convert into DHT.

If you find the root cause of what is causing the high SHBG , then SHBG will go down. Free test will increase. DHT will increase. Currently you are experiencing some hypogonadal symptoms (even though you aren't hypogonadal) due to whatever it is causing high SHBG. fixing that will get rid of the hypogonadal symptoms.

insuline/glucose(Its all in good range),

I'm not sure you are properly qualified to assess this.

nutrition is ok,

Not necessarily. Just because you think you eat good due to lifting weights doesn't mean your nutrition is good. Everybody is different. You may be alergic to some random food. Your body may absorb some nutrient insufficiently causing an inbalance. Who knows. You need proper testing to assess this. It is not sufficient to just assume that nutrition is ok.

the only thing I see is my adrenal. And that's why I'll take cortef.

But I'm willing to do a clenbuterol cycle, so I'll start cortef for the last 3 weeks of my cycle. and pass blood test again.

You need proper testing to address adrenals. Not just taking some random dose of cortef for a few weeks. If adrenals are actually the problem the last thing you need to be doing in the world is taxing the heck out of them with clen . The consequences would be worse then were you are already at if this is actually a adrenal problem.

[qscgugcsq]

I say my thyroid is fine because I fell fine on this point, there is effect on hypothyroidism or hyperthyroidism and I do not feel any of them. Like I said I will still take a full panel but it would really surprise me if it's that.

What do you mean about insulin and glucose?? (It may be possible that I have a bit of insulin resistance but my test reveal nothing abnormal about my glycemie).

And I know clen will ****ed my adrenal more than it is already. But strangely between my first and my second blood test I've ran 2 weeks of clen and everything went up. MAYBE, it didn't taxe me as I though it would. maybe also without it all would have been higher. IDK

But what I know is with cortef, even If I take it at the same time as clen, will help me recover a bit. After that blood test will be taken. I'll adjust. I don't think clen will taxe that much of me, maybe I'm totally wrong and If I feel more like shit after all that I'll know why.

I can't get another test right now and I don't wanna stay there waiting for something happens...

[lacey23]

I say my thyroid is fine because I fell fine on this point, there is effect on hypothyroidism or hyperthyroidism and I do not feel any of them. Like I said I will still take a full panel but it would really surprise me if it's that.

My initial guess is that it is not the cause, but it still needs to be assessed to determine if that is the case or not. I'm assuming there is other symptoms you are feeling on top of the ED problems. Generally speaking, ED doesn't just happen by itself, it is usually due to some kind of problem that causes multiple symptoms.

What do you mean about insulin and glucose?? (It may be possible that I have a bit of insulin resistance but my test reveal nothing abnormal about my glycemie).

I mean (and I don't mean to be a dick here), that some comments you've made seem as though you don't have a good understanding of the Endocrine system. That is not really a problem, most 20 year olds don't. So I am questioning if you are qualified to be evaluating bloodwork.

And I know clen will ****ed my adrenal more than it is already. But strangely between my first and my second blood test I've ran 2 weeks of clen and everything went up. MAYBE, it didn't taxe me as I though it would. maybe also without it all would have been higher. IDK

You listed a bunch of things you were on for the second lab. Those are probably the reason for the altered blood tests. But running some random OTC test booster isn't a long term answer, and this no way suggests that clen improved anything

But what I know is with cortef, even If I take it at the same time as clen, will help me recover a bit. After that blood test will be taken. I'll adjust. I don't think clen will taxe that much of me, maybe I'm totally wrong and If I feel more like shit after all that I'll know why.

I can't get another test right now and I don't wanna stay there waiting for something happens...

Well the answer isn't to just randomly take stuff. You can try it if wou would like, but it won't get you anywhere. Proper bloodwork, proper evaluation, proper corrections, and patience is the key here.

[qscgugcsq]

Well the answer isn't to just randomly take stuff. You can try it if wou would like, but it won't get you anywhere. Proper bloodwork, proper evaluation, proper corrections, and patience is the key here.

Yeah I would like to have those... But BW is hard to get and med are of a rare stupidity(I'm not saying that to make me feel smarter, they really are they do not seems to have a clue about what's wrong because for them all is perfect.) But strangely one of my friend in TRT(17YO) had better test free than me when he started TRT...
and unfortunately I'm young and impatient XD I'm looking for a good endocrino but it take a long time and especially with the kind of system we got here in quebec...(at least it's free, well, free it's a big word)

[lacey23]

Yeah I would like to have those... But BW is hard to get and med are of a rare stupidity(I'm not saying that to make me feel smarter, they really are they do not seems to have a clue about what's wrong because for them all is perfect.) But strangely one of my friend in TRT(17YO) had better test free than me when he started TRT...
and unfortunately I'm young and impatient XD I'm looking for a good endocrino but it take a long time and especially with the kind of system we got here in quebec...(at least it's free, well, free it's a big word)

I'm in Canada as well. I would not waste time with Endo's here. I've been in the past. Basically in my experience you will wait 6 months to get in, and unless you have some kind of crazy thing (tumor, cushings, etc...) they won't do anything. In a year of going to an Endo I got to see him twice and he thought having DHEA under the normal range, and free test in the bottom of the range was normal, and I should go see a shrink.

I can see that you are going to do whatever it is you want. But, I will give you some advice for the future if you do realize that your own methods aren't going to do the trick. Stop doing any kind of supplement (doesn't matter if it's not illegal). Find a regular GP that will work with you, and is open to things. Save up some cash, and go down to see a great doc in the states like Dr Mariano that has an amazing knowledge of how everything in the body connects. Have your GP in Canada prescribe the medications, and fill the bloodwork recusitions based on Dr Mariono's (or any other great doc) recomendations. It may seem like a bit of money, but imo if you have to spend a couple grand, it is a drop in the bucket compared to wasting time with docs that aren't going to get you anywhere for years.

Also, it seems as though your goals are to get in better shape and have a better working dick. Judging by your choice to do clen it would seem you are ranking immediate results in the gym over a working dick. However, even if you do care about your physical appearance more, getting your free test fixed will do more for you in the gym than 1 cycle of clen will ever do.