Thread: use of ai with heart disease
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07-08-2013, 09:21 PM #1Junior Member
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use of ai with heart disease
51 yr old male been on hrt for 4 years ,from andogel to enthanate 100mg 1xwk and now hcg mono 2x500ius good for a while than e2 climbs and ed and no libito start endro refuses to give me ai ,esp since i have 2 stents any ideas what i can do and are ai s a risk for cardiac events
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07-08-2013, 10:14 PM #2
Your doctor may be nervous about giving you an AI because some studies have shown AI's can have a negative impact on cholesterol, particularly HDL cholesterol (good cholesterol). In William Llewellyn's book Anabolics, he sites a study stating AI's can suppress HDL cholesterol by as much as 25%. Healthy cholesterol can, however, be easily maintained and controlled when on TRT. In fact, even with supraphysiological doses of testosterone you can maintain solid lipid profiles with a healthy diet and regular cardiovascular activity.
In summary, your doctor is probably worried because estrogen plays an important role on cholesterol. We do need cholesterol, the right amount. However, the fear that surrounds cholesterol may be highly overstated in many cases. Regardless, I read in your other thread that your E2 had came back at one point at 50 and over 80 another time. This is definitely a problem and is more than likely going to make you feel like garbage even if your testosterone levels are high. For TRT to work and work well, you have to find and maintain a balance of testosterone and estrogen.
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07-09-2013, 03:10 AM #3Junior Member
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if you dose too high with your ai, it can drop your estrogen which is bad for your heart (this is probably what guided your docs decision not to prescribe) However, chronically high estrogen (and yes 50 is high) is also bad for your heart (there are tonnes of studies on this). so the only solution in my eyes is to take an ai at a low dose, and work your way up until you hit the estrogen sweet spot (e2 of approx 20-30) I would suggest you either find a new doc to prescribe or purchase some liquidex from the site sponsor.... in the mean time vit d and zinc supplementation should be considered.
good luck!
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07-09-2013, 03:16 AM #4Originally Posted by Metalject
Optimal estrogen levels are difficult to pin point. I've had my estrogen as high as 350 with no notable effects physically or mentally and I've also crashed my E2, which was far more unpleasant.
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07-09-2013, 07:30 AM #5Junior Member
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hey great info appreciated,now is that suppressing of the hdl at high dosages? im thinkn of taken a run 0.25 arimidex 2x wk to see if that will get the e2 down and for the record i been thru 3 doc s with this already lol
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07-09-2013, 07:36 AM #6Junior Member
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thanx 2oyo im endro is sending me to eurolgist in ny so we l see so for time bein ill run low dosage
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07-09-2013, 07:46 AM #7Junior Member
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muscleink appreciate it wow 350 thats crazy ,so do you think the high e2 is worse for the heart than the arimidex
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07-09-2013, 09:24 AM #8Originally Posted by dmoney10
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07-09-2013, 12:05 PM #9Junior Member
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thanx for the info again muscleink i advised my cardiologist that im goin on armidex 025 2xwk he was ok with it
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07-09-2013, 12:48 PM #10Originally Posted by dmoney10
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07-09-2013, 04:45 PM #11Junior Member
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k thanx bro
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