Lump under nipple on TRT

**LFH40** · 11-06-2013, 09:58 AM

Guys, could you please help me out? Week 3 of TRT with lowT . com. Doing pretty good so far, in my opinion. One thing disconcerting to me is that I'm getting a really sore lump under my right nipple, not to mention that they're sensitive and puffy all the time now (erect, sounds silly). I'm not on an AI at this time. My protocol is 100mg split twice a week and 250iu hCH twice a week. I'm 40, 173lbs, 5'10" and pretty low body fat. I had a similar experience when I was 20 and they found the pituitary adenoma. I had the lump and it was because my prolactin was too high and the bromicriptine that I was prescribed took care of it. Jump to present day, the tumor is now a non-functioning tumor and no longer secreting prolactin and since I've started trt I've gotten this painful lump. My 6 wk bw is three weeks away, will it be too late to correct this by then?

**LFH40** · 11-06-2013, 10:05 AM

Another side note I should mention- the libido was on fire last week, I really felt like it was on the rise and coming back, the last few days it was been back to non existent. I'm worried my E2 is out of whack and I don't have my blood work for another 3 weeks. Are there really bad side effects from taking an AI if prescribed? Worried about libido and gyno ,mostly at this point. I was getting really excited as I thought I'd really start noticing some more well being by week three.

**jay adams** · 11-06-2013, 10:14 AM

I replied under the other thread. We can continue here.

**LFH40** · 11-06-2013, 10:27 AM

I could try zinc, copper, and DIM, however zinc tears up my stomach. If I could hold out three more weeks I could get the 6 week blood work without having the AI in my system, which would provide better analysis of what's going on. It's not that it's intolerable at this point, but driving me nuts knowing it's there and they're always sensitive.

Aside from controlling Estrogen, does an AI do undesirable things? Why do so many guys not wanna go on one?

**LFH40** · 11-07-2013, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by LFH40

I could try zinc, copper, and DIM, however zinc tears up my stomach. If I could hold out three more weeks I could get the 6 week blood work without having the AI in my system, which would provide better analysis of what's going on. It's not that it's intolerable at this point, but driving me nuts knowing it's there and they're always sensitive.
Aside from controlling Estrogen, does an AI do undesirable things? Why do so many guys not wanna go on one?

Any insight?

**jay adams** · 11-07-2013, 11:38 AM

I'd def do zinc, copper and Dim. If you're getting signs of Gynecomastia I would start Anastrozole. Thats me though. Think about it, you can always back off Anastrozole but you can't get rid of Gynecomastia. Trust me I had that cursed crap and had to shell out $7500 to rid myself of it. Im with LowT.com too and someone told me if I have symptoms of Gynecomastia returning to call my doc immediately and get an AI.

**LFH40** · 11-07-2013, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by jay adams

I'd def do zinc, copper and Dim. If you're getting signs of Gynecomastia I would start Anastrozole. Thats me though. Think about it, you can always back off Anastrozole but you can't get rid of Gynecomastia. Trust me I had that cursed crap and had to shell out $7500 to rid myself of it. Im with LowT.com too and someone told me if I have symptoms of Gynecomastia returning to call my doc immediately and get an AI.

Thanks Jay. I asked lowT about that and they recommended I try the zinc, copper, dim before my 6 week blood test so they could test the E2 without the AI, BUT- they also said if I thought it was tremendous, to call the doc and have him prescribe an AI early. I have three weeks to go. I'm very uneducated about AI's. Is there any bad sides? Libido loss?

**Juced_porkchop** · 11-07-2013, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by LFH40

Guys, could you please help me out? Week 3 of TRT with lowT . com. Doing pretty good so far, in my opinion. One thing disconcerting to me is that I'm getting a really sore lump under my right nipple, not to mention that they're sensitive and puffy all the time now (erect, sounds silly). I'm not on an AI at this time. My protocol is 100mg split twice a week and 250iu hCH twice a week. I'm 40, 173lbs, 5'10" and pretty low body fat. I had a similar experience when I was 20 and they found the pituitary adenoma. I had the lump and it was because my prolactin was too high and the bromicriptine that I was prescribed took care of it. Jump to present day, the tumor is now a non-functioning tumor and no longer secreting prolactin and since I've started trt I've gotten this painful lump. My 6 wk bw is three weeks away, will it be too late to correct this by then?

* dont keep touching it, I believe this stimulates it and makes it worse.
* get blood work , get on AI and get on serm while waiting for AI to take affect for few weeks then drop serm , IMO

**jay adams** · 11-07-2013, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by LFH40

Thanks Jay. I asked lowT about that and they recommended I try the zinc, copper, dim before my 6 week blood test so they could test the E2 without the AI, BUT- they also said if I thought it was tremendous, to call the doc and have him prescribe an AI early. I have three weeks to go. I'm very uneducated about AI's. Is there any bad sides? Libido loss?

Libido probs are usually associated with E being too high or too low. Arimidex isn't good for you. It could be bad in the long run. Look up arimidex side effects. But you only need it for a bit hopefully. Im taking .25 split twice a week and will hopefully be off it in Dec. Doing subq my E was in the teens. I had to switch to IM because I was having bad reactions to the oil. and it went into the thirties. Now Im Using Bass's subq method doing smaller doses in two spots and Im not having bad reactions anymore. So, my theory is subq Bass method drop arimidex next blood test.

DONT GET GYNECOMASTIA !

**Juced_porkchop** · 11-07-2013, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by jay adams

Libido probs are usually associated with E being too high or too low. Arimidex isn't good for you. It could be bad in the long run. Look up arimidex side effects. But you only need it for a bit hopefully. Im taking .25 split twice a week and will hopefully be off it in Dec. Doing subq my E was in the teens. I had to switch to IM because I was having bad reactions to the oil. and it went into the thirties. Now Im Using Bass's subq method doing smaller doses in two spots and Im not having bad reactions anymore. So, my theory is subq Bass method drop arimidex next blood test.

DONT GET GYNECOMASTIA!

what are you talking about? Dex is one of the the best AI and with least side effects. please clarify...

**Juced_porkchop** · 11-07-2013, 02:56 PM

many use it long term with hrt...

**LFH40** · 11-07-2013, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by Juced_porkchop

many use it long term with hrt...

I believe that lowT.com prescribes Anastrozole. So if I end up on an AI, that would be the one.

**jay adams** · 11-07-2013, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by Juced_porkchop

many use it long term with hrt...

I wouldn't say it's the worst thing in the world but if you can live without it you should. Here's a little info from the Arimidex site.

ARIMIDEX (anastrozole) can cause bone softening/weakening (osteoporosis), increasing the chance of fractures. In a clinical study in early breast cancer, there were more fractures (including fractures of the spine, hip, and wrist) with ARIMIDEX (10%) than with tamoxifen (7%).

**phaedo** · 11-07-2013, 04:06 PM

Osteoporosis can be caused by extended periods of low estrogen, which anastrozole can certainly cause if used in excess. In light of TRT, anastrozole should be used to moderate estrogen -- neither too low or too high. In fact, women at risk of osteoporosis begin estrogen monotherapy from naturally low estrogen levels (postmenopausal), which increases bone mineral density, accompanied by significant reductions in markers of bone turnover.

jay adams renders good advice about controlling gynecomastia proliferation. Even after an expensive surgical removal, gynecomastia can return from hormone imbalances.

**jay adams** · 11-07-2013, 04:22 PM

I would take it for the rest of my life if I had to. I don't think it's the worst thing. I'd rather take Anastrozole than have my E out of whack

**LFH40** · 11-07-2013, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by jay adams

I wouldn't say it's the worst thing in the world but if you can live without it you should. Here's a little info from the Arimidex site.

ARIMIDEX (anastrozole) can cause bone softening/weakening (osteoporosis), increasing the chance of fractures. In a clinical study in early breast cancer, there were more fractures (including fractures of the spine, hip, and wrist) with ARIMIDEX (10%) than with tamoxifen (7%).

Can you tell I'm a newbie?

didn't know arimidex was Anastrozole.

So there's a chance of going off of it once you start? I can't see living with these nipples the way they are for life, lol

**dreadnok89** · 11-08-2013, 06:53 AM

Originally Posted by Juced_porkchop

what are you talking about? Dex is one of the the best AI and with least side effects. please clarify...

Only reason its used is because its cheaper than the other alternatives

**dreadnok89** · 11-08-2013, 06:54 AM

Originally Posted by jay adams

I wouldn't say it's the worst thing in the world but if you can live without it you should. Here's a little info from the Arimidex site.

ARIMIDEX (anastrozole) can cause bone softening/weakening (osteoporosis), increasing the chance of fractures. In a clinical study in early breast cancer, there were more fractures (including fractures of the spine, hip, and wrist) with ARIMIDEX (10%) than with tamoxifen (7%).

On a side note this seems to be done on old ladies. Who already are prone to this type of bone problems

**jay adams** · 11-08-2013, 08:24 AM

Well the drug is mainly for woman cancer patients. Prob more studies for Viagra on men cause of the nature. But you know how studies can be. Hopefully soon we'll have studies with male trt patients.

**LFH40** · 11-08-2013, 12:53 PM

Could the hard nips/sensitive nips thing be just because my body is getting used to the hormones? I'm only completing third week of TRT as of Wednesday and I'm wondering if this is something that will level itself out or should I be getting on an AI right away. If I jump to an AI before I even have a 6 week blood test, how will the dr be accurately be able to tell me what my E2 is if I'm already putting an AI in my system?

The sensitive and tender nips is something that's annoying, but I can deal with it if I have to for three more weeks, I just don't want it to turn into something that could be worse (gyno). I feel something under that right nipple that I don't on the left. I have very low body fat on my chest as it is.

**jay adams** · 11-08-2013, 04:02 PM

My nips still get a little tingly 24 hours or so after an injection. I've been told by some of the vets on here that they still get tender nips years after starting therapy. It just depends on how bad your nips are hurting. You know your body better than anyone. Just stay aware.