regained normal T after pct

**fastercar137** · 02-25-2015, 07:54 PM

I've been on trt since last year when idk what happened but my test levels dropped to 30. Not 300, but 30. I've been cycling clomi and AIs along with treatment. Seemed to help with the boys. Recently did a full out pct and one month in my levels were tested at 620.

Went back on t while waiting for results. Is it possible my system came back online from pct? Idk how else to explain the reading after one month of stopping the t and going on pct.

**Bio-Active** · 02-25-2015, 08:02 PM

How long after you finished your pct did you run the labs and how long was your pct?

**fastercar137** · 02-26-2015, 06:43 AM

4 or 5 weeks into pct I had the blood work done. Got the labs back a week later but restarted trt again by then. I was still on clomi and an AI when labs were ran but did not take the day of labs.

**Bio-Active** · 02-26-2015, 06:50 AM

Originally Posted by fastercar137

4 or 5 weeks into pct I had the blood work done. Got the labs back a week later but restarted trt again by then. I was still on clomi and an AI when labs were ran but did not take the day of labs.

wait another 8 weeks and run labs again

**The Deadlifting Dog** · 02-26-2015, 08:01 AM

Originally Posted by Bio-Active

wait another 8 weeks and run labs again

Too late for that. He already went back on testosterone .

**The Deadlifting Dog** · 02-26-2015, 08:03 AM

Originally Posted by fastercar137

4 or 5 weeks into pct I had the blood work done. Got the labs back a week later but restarted trt again by then. I was still on clomi and an AI when labs were ran but did not take the day of labs.

You have to get bloodwork done 6-8 weeks after finishing PCT to see if you have recovered. This is due to the half-lives of the PCT meds.

Why did you PCT then go back on testosterone ??

People on TRT do not PCT.

**Low Testosterone** · 02-26-2015, 10:33 AM

The other guys are correct. You didn't regain your natural production if you were on PCT. If a guy is attempting to restart natural production be it after any type of steroid use or whatever the case may be, once meds are discontinued I normally recommend at least 8-12wks of no meds before blood testing. That's the only way you can know what's really going on.

And Mr. Deadlifting Dog is correct, people on TRT do not need PCT. There are a few clinics around that promote TRT with PCT because it's a good selling gimmick. There are words you can use that sound very appealing, typically it goes like this - you'll run a 12-16wk cycle of testosterone and then come off and PCT. This will allow your body to recover and your natural testosterone to kick back in. See, it sounds good, it lets you use to kewy words and phrases, recover and natural testosterone. But as yourself these questions?

1. Recover? Recover from what? Am I putting something in my body that's dangerous and bad for me that I need to recover from?
2. What good is my natural testosterone if I have low testosterone ?

**Bio-Active** · 02-26-2015, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog

Too late for that. He already went back on testosterone.

I saw that but he will be balanced out after 8 weeks or so and will see were his steady level is at. I am assuming that's what he wants to know. Op if you were truly wondering if you had recovered or not you probably didn't wait long enough to know

**fastercar137** · 02-26-2015, 01:13 PM

I know people on trt don't cycle, but since the cause of my low t wasn't identified I figured it may be only temporary. I also cycle trt because it helps the boys out if you can understand. On trt my levels are above 600 and from my month long pct it reached over 600. I'm going to repeat the process again. At the time of my low t reading of 30 I was on a extreme low fat diet which almost excluded meat entirely. Since then I started weight training again and got my diet on point for mass building. About 1 year and 20 pounds of muscle later I'm wondering if I cured myself of low t. But the prospect of prescription t to run a cycle or two or three is hard to give up.

**kelkel** · 02-26-2015, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by fastercar137

I know people on trt don't cycle, but since the cause of my low t wasn't identified I figured it may be only temporary. I also cycle trt because it helps the boys out if you can understand. On trt my levels are above 600 and from my month long pct it reached over 600. I'm going to repeat the process again. At the time of my low t reading of 30 I was on a extreme low fat diet which almost excluded meat entirely. Since then I started weight training again and got my diet on point for mass building. About 1 year and 20 pounds of muscle later I'm wondering if I cured myself of low t. But the prospect of prescription t to run a cycle or two or three is hard to give up.

Cycling TRT does nothing for your boys. Use HCG .
Your 600 level just after pct is due to being hyper-stimulated via serms. Nothing more.

**Low Testosterone** · 02-26-2015, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by fastercar137

I know people on trt don't cycle, but since the cause of my low t wasn't identified I figured it may be only temporary. I also cycle trt because it helps the boys out if you can understand. On trt my levels are above 600 and from my month long pct it reached over 600. I'm going to repeat the process again. At the time of my low t reading of 30 I was on a extreme low fat diet which almost excluded meat entirely. Since then I started weight training again and got my diet on point for mass building. About 1 year and 20 pounds of muscle later I'm wondering if I cured myself of low t. But the prospect of prescription t to run a cycle or two or three is hard to give up.

Kelkel is right - this sounds like exactly what I was talking about earlier, what a specific clinic based out of FL says. You're causing your body a lot more stress than necessary doing things as you are.

**bullshark99** · 02-26-2015, 05:00 PM

I could confirm exactly what LowT said above. I was sold a bill of BS from a clinic in FL that said you go on and when you want to go off we put you on Pct and your natty comes right back.......bullshit

**fastercar137** · 02-26-2015, 06:23 PM

So.... Why bother with testosterone when one can use SERMs and achieve normal range T levels? And why don't doctors prescribe HCG with Test for us younger non-geriatric guys who still use their kibbles and bits?

**kelkel** · 02-26-2015, 07:02 PM

Serms are a viable form of treatment for hypogonadism for some people. What you were referring to as a good level just after pct was due to the aforementioned hyperstimulation from the serms. When you cease taking them your body then has to find homeostasis. Meaning it's natural level, be it good or bad.

Outcomes of clomiphene citrate treatment in young hypogonadal men. - PubMed - NCBI

Re HCG many doctors are simply not familiar with proper TRT protocols as they receive almost no training regarding hormones in med school. Oh, and when you get older your parts will still be important to you.