One week in - strange result?

**JohnnyVegas** · 12-14-2010, 12:17 PM

I am doing 400mg/week (200mg twice a week) and will be doing my third injection tomorrow. I have always heard that it could take a few weeks to feel anything, but the past two days (following my second shot on Sunday) I have had LOTS of energy. And today I feel hot. It actually feels a lot like when I did ephedrine back in the day. Yesterday I figured it was a fluke, but today it seems like I am trending.

Did most everyone see their energy jump? And how soon?

**frawnz** · 12-14-2010, 12:25 PM

You're doing cycle levels, so this might get a better answer in the steroid subforum as opposed to this one (for TRT therapy).

**JohnnyVegas** · 12-14-2010, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by frawnz

You're doing cycle levels, so this might get a better answer in the steroid subforum as opposed to this one (for TRT therapy).

Thanks, I will do that.

I am on TRT - but the doc says she doesn't mind athletes or people with a lifting history being at the top of the scale. We are trying 400mg a week to see where that puts my blood levels.

**CMB** · 12-14-2010, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by JohnnyVegas

Thanks, I will do that.

I am on TRT - but the doc says she doesn't mind athletes or people with a lifting history being at the top of the scale. We are trying 400mg a week to see where that puts my blood levels.

You are very lucky to have such a nice doc, those are cycle levels.

Man, I know that I am destined to eventually be put on trt I can only hope that I get a doctor as nice as yours.

**JohnnyVegas** · 12-14-2010, 01:23 PM

Talking to her was like talking to someone on this forum. Very knowledgable. She asked my how many cycles I had done and I honestly told her "none". Maybe she didn't believe me because I knew what I was talking about and the first thing I asked was if I could self inject. I can tell her goal is to keep me healthy, and she said that she would pull me back if I "shot up into the 2000s or something".

**frawnz** · 12-14-2010, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by JohnnyVegas

Thanks, I will do that.

I am on TRT - but the doc says she doesn't mind athletes or people with a lifting history being at the top of the scale. We are trying 400mg a week to see where that puts my blood levels.

That's cool. But just realize that 400mg/week is not the top of the scale for TRT. It is well beyond it and it will put your T levels beyond the testable ranges of most labs. My T levels were 700 at around 150mg, and 1200+ around 225mg. Just keep that in mind, as you probably are going to need to bring it back down to a sustainable range after this burst cycle you're doing.

**zaggahamma** · 12-14-2010, 02:35 PM

twas very soon for me...fountain of youth as i call it...big trt dose your doing...monitor your e2 soon and often...let us know your gains from your protocol good and bad hopefully mostly/all good

**JohnnyVegas** · 12-14-2010, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by frawnz

That's cool. But just realize that 400mg/week is not the top of the scale for TRT. It is well beyond it and it will put your T levels beyond the testable ranges of most labs. My T levels were 700 at around 150mg, and 1200+ around 225mg. Just keep that in mind, as you probably are going to need to bring it back down to a sustainable range after this burst cycle you're doing.

Thank you for the info. I am calling her to clear this up. I didn't ask a lot of questions because I thought she was letting me self-regulate knowing that I might burst. My scrip is for 400mg/week, and when I asked about that she said she wanted to make sure the pharmacy didn't give me any problems if I wanted to "refill early". I am trying to find the level between being on a straight TRT and her giving me some flexibility. I want to do this right.

**zaggahamma** · 12-14-2010, 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by JohnnyVegas

Thank you for the info. I am calling her to clear this up. I didn't ask a lot of questions because I thought she was letting me self-regulate knowing that I might burst. My scrip is for 400mg/week, and when I asked about that she said she wanted to make sure the pharmacy didn't give me any problems if I wanted to "refill early". I am trying to find the level between being on a straight TRT and her giving me some flexibility. I want to do this right.

as frawn stated...200mg is a high enough trt dose let alone 400mg.....if youre coming from low T levels you should feel great and able to make gains with anywhere from 100mg to 200mg ew...nice of the lady to write for more and u can fill and keep for rainy day

**Littleirishman** · 12-14-2010, 08:09 PM

good to see a doctor helping you along your way. If only we all had this!

**JohnnyVegas** · 12-14-2010, 08:21 PM

I am going to drop down. I feel uncomfortable doing the full 400mg until I get blood work done in a month or so. Then she and I can look at all my levels and I can have a frank discussion with her about bursting.

This is a lesson I learned earlier in life, but wasn't following: "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should"

Thank you everyone!

**SlimJoe** · 12-14-2010, 09:16 PM

Originally Posted by CMB

You are very lucky to have such a nice doc, those are cycle levels.

Man, I know that I am destined to eventually be put on trt I can only hope that I get a doctor as nice as yours.

Ya ain't lieng bro lol

**Vettester** · 12-14-2010, 09:58 PM

Originally Posted by JohnnyVegas

I am going to drop down. I feel uncomfortable doing the full 400mg until I get blood work done in a month or so. Then she and I can look at all my levels and I can have a frank discussion with her about bursting.

This is a lesson I learned earlier in life, but wasn't following: "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should"

Thank you everyone!

Very glad to see you take this approach. It's like anything ... I have a car that will do 194mph, but 70 or 80 on any given day is the way I go. You can always push things up for awhile once you get everything dialed in and balanced a little.

**JohnnyVegas** · 12-15-2010, 12:01 AM

Originally Posted by vetteman08

Very glad to see you take this approach. It's like anything ... I have a car that will do 194mph, but 70 or 80 on any given day is the way I go. You can always push things up for awhile once you get everything dialed in and balanced a little.

That is why I am in the TRT section...I have been around long enough to have learned SOME lessons. Ten years ago it would have been different.

Cars? Now you are talking my language. I am a car guy myself.

**frawnz** · 12-15-2010, 02:45 AM

Originally Posted by JohnnyVegas

I am going to drop down. I feel uncomfortable doing the full 400mg until I get blood work done in a month or so. Then she and I can look at all my levels and I can have a frank discussion with her about bursting.

This is a lesson I learned earlier in life, but wasn't following: "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should"

Thank you everyone!

This is nice to hear for a change. Usually even the slightest suggestion of lowering the dosage turns some of these forum posters into instant D-bags. Glad to see you're smarter than that.

**JohnnyVegas** · 12-15-2010, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by frawnz

This is nice to hear for a change. Usually even the slightest suggestion of lowering the dosage turns some of these forum posters into instant D-bags. Glad to see you're smarter than that.

I came here to benefit from others' experience...it would be self defeating if I didn't listen to that experience. Right?

**flatscat** · 12-16-2010, 07:44 AM

I'd say drop it down yourself and stockpile the rest like JPK said. You never know when you might need it.

**bass** · 12-17-2010, 11:04 AM

good for you Johnny! and i am glad you have a doctor who is flexible! i am on my way to TRT so i am learning allot from these kinds of posts, so please keep us updated as i am following your thread! good luck with your TRT!

Originally Posted by JohnnyVegas

I am going to drop down. I feel uncomfortable doing the full 400mg until I get blood work done in a month or so. Then she and I can look at all my levels and I can have a frank discussion with her about bursting.

This is a lesson I learned earlier in life, but wasn't following: "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should"

Thank you everyone!

**funkymonk** · 12-17-2010, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by jpkman

as frawn stated...200mg is a high enough trt dose let alone 400mg.....if youre coming from low T levels you should feel great and able to make gains with anywhere from 100mg to 200mg ew...nice of the lady to write for more and u can fill and keep for rainy day

Just curious, average shelf life of test C/E is...?

**frawnz** · 12-18-2010, 12:25 AM

An unpunctured vial can be good for years. It will gradually lose it's potency, but it's a very long process. Once you've punctured the seal though, I wouldn't recommend keeping it for more than a few months.

**JohnnyVegas** · 12-18-2010, 04:05 AM

Thank you for the shelf life info. I was wondering that as well and hadn't searched for it yet.

**werms** · 12-18-2010, 04:59 AM

Originally Posted by frawnz

An unpunctured vial can be good for years. It will gradually lose it's potency, but it's a very long process. Once you've punctured the seal though, I wouldn't recommend keeping it for more than a few months.

Sounds like my dating life style.

For the OP how did you form that type of relationship with your DR? I think you found a 1 in a million dr

**JohnnyVegas** · 12-18-2010, 05:42 AM

Originally Posted by werms

For the OP how did you form that type of relationship with your DR? I think you found a 1 in a million dr

Just lucky. This is the first place I went, and she was the first doctor I talked with. I went there because I know someone in their admin department. This is speculation, but she may have thought I was lying when I said I hadnt cycled. She probably gave me more flexibility then I should have been given.

**JohnnyVegas** · 12-18-2010, 06:01 AM

Wednesday night I dropped back to 100mg and will continue on 200mg/week until I get blood tests done.

Energy boost went away after a few days. May have been the Test, may have been mental. Who knows.

**The Hyena** · 12-30-2010, 01:52 AM

I need to see a doc too man... im in vegas ...
hook a brotha up johnny !

**JohnnyVegas** · 12-30-2010, 10:22 AM

The woman I dealt with left, and I don't know if their replacement will be as flexible. I hope they don't start pushing gels or pellets. I am sending you a PM with contact info. Let me know what they say.