My TRT

**38jumper38** · 02-15-2011, 11:49 AM

First my thanks to Bass, Marcus300, jpkman, for advise and recommendation.

Got my blood results today and my Testosterone Serum is 383 ng/dl, range is 249-836.

My free testosterone is 7.6 pg/ml, range is 8.7-25.1 (that was bad)
LH is 7.9 miu/ml, range is 1.7-8.6

Estradiol 25.1 pg/ml, range is 7.6-42.6

Here what's the clinic recommend for 10 week:

1 10ml vial Testosterone Cyp 200mg/ml
1 10ml vial Nandrolone Deconate 200mg/ml
1 HCG 5.000 ui
1 30ml vial B-12 Cyanacobalamin 1.000mcg/ml
1 30ml vial L-Arginine 100mg/ml
1 30ml vial L-Glutamine 25mg/ml
2 15ml vial L-Carnosine 100mg/ml
30 Anastrazole 1mg/tablet
30 insulin syringe 31g 5/16 100 units
10 syringe 3cc 23g 1 1.5
10 needle 20g 1
30 syringe 3cc 20g
30 needle 27g 1.5

I been reading about arginine, glutamine, Carnosine, (They recommended 1cc 3 x week) and I need to know if any one has take injectable, if really worth the money, just to have and idea, its more expensive then testosterone. Any input will be very appreciative.

Also they recommended take the HCG 2 days prior an testosterone injection, 1 shot 500ui, (avoid atrophy and keep sack down)
Thanks

**zaggahamma** · 02-15-2011, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by 38jumper38

First my thanks to Bass, Marcus300, jpkman, for advise and recommendation.

Got my blood results today and my Testosterone Serum is 383 ng/dl, range is 249-836.

My free testosterone is 7.6 pg/ml, range is 8.7-25.1 (that was bad)
LH is 7.9 miu/ml, range is 1.7-8.6

Here what's the clinic recommend for 10 week:

1 10ml vial Testosterone Cyp 200mg/ml
1 10ml vial Nandrolone Deconate 200mg/ml
1 HCG 5.000 ui
1 30ml vial B-12 Cyanacobalamin 1.000mcg/ml
1 30ml vial L-Arginine 100mg/ml
1 30ml vial L-Glutamine 25mg/ml
2 15ml vial L-Carnosine 100mg/ml
30 Anastrazole 1mg/tablet
30 insulin syringe 31g 5/16 100 units
10 syringe 3cc 23g 1 1.5
10 needle 20g 1
30 syringe 3cc 20g
30 needle 27g 1.5

I been reading about arginine, glutamine, Carnosine, (They recommended 1cc 3 x week) and I need to know if any one has take injectable, if really worth the money, just to have and idea, its more expensive then testosterone. Any input will be very appreciative.

Also they recommended take the HCG 2 days prior an testosterone injection, 1 shot 500ui, (avoid atrophy and keep sack down)
Thanks

Glad we could help

I bolded what I cant offer anything and will offer what i can on the rest

I had great gains from a body transformation with a similar dose of test and nandralone and anastrazole running congruent (i wouldnt take too much of that without seeing where your estradiol is after a few weeks or a month i notice you didnt post that level) if you do feel the need and/or feel nipple sensitivity you can take .25mg eod(very common dose with guys around here on trt but of course better to look within)
i always wanted to add hcg as what you mention WILL happen more surely than slowly...i've only heard good things abot adding this to your protocol...
the vitamin b is a mixed one....never tried it..i have some laying around..some say different forms work better, i've heard that if your vit b isnt low then no need nor will it help and a good friend told me it will make you eat like u gotta tapeworm
other than that...i'll let others chime in
enjoy when you get started and be lookin for some results

p.s. the reason i say for body transformation is if you are looking for health purposes...this protocol could be considered a bit much to start...the doses a lilttle high....a few compounds all added in the beginning so if you have sides you really cant point em at one particular

jpk

**flatscat** · 02-15-2011, 01:39 PM

Your avi is smokin...

**38jumper38** · 02-15-2011, 01:49 PM

Thanks jpk.
I added estradiol, didn't even notice.
I was concern with all the compounds too. Maybe too much too start. My doc says anastrazole its a estrogen blocker, haven't got my order yet, will came tomorrow, not sure what dose he prescribed, I mention 3 pills/week or so.
I will keep you posted, I have fotos from last year (march) to today, I take one every month.
About b-12, its really good, I been taking since last june, 1cc/week, keep my metabolism in fast move, I notice a big difference when I when on vacation and did not have for 3 weeks, I pack some lbs on, must belly fat.

**38jumper38** · 02-15-2011, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by flatscat

Your avi is smokin...

she is great.

**zaggahamma** · 02-15-2011, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by 38jumper38

Thanks jpk.
I added estradiol, didn't even notice.
I was concern with all the compounds too. Maybe too much too start. My doc says anastrazole its a estrogen blocker, haven't got my order yet, will came tomorrow, not sure what dose he prescribed, I mention 3 pills/week or so.
I will keep you posted, I have fotos from last year (march) to today, I take one every month.
About b-12, its really good, I been taking since last june, 1cc/week, keep my metabolism in fast move, I notice a big difference when I when on vacation and did not have for 3 weeks, I pack some lbs on, must belly fat.

this is interesting about the b12....i have energy problems and considered it but its due to poor sleep...
well, best of luck with what you decide...like i said...i also did deca and test in the beginning of my trt and had no sides...keep us posted here

**big_ron** · 02-15-2011, 03:43 PM

Only for 10 weeks?

**38jumper38** · 02-15-2011, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by big_ron

Only for 10 weeks?

yes, I will get 10 more weeks after that, actually its 20 weeks and a break for 2 weeks after the 20 then back on track. Because was my first time he only gave me enough for 10 weeks.

**zaggahamma** · 02-15-2011, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by 38jumper38

yes, I will get 10 more weeks after that, actually its 20 weeks and a break for 2 weeks after the 20 then back on track. Because was my first time he only gave me enough for 10 weeks.

i was under the impression that they only recommended this protocol?

**38jumper38** · 02-15-2011, 04:22 PM

I call my doc and he say that they have to many problems with past patient and they double the doses and instead doing trt they were cycling, and after the 10 weeks or so they need more, and make excuses like they lost, or was threw out by mistake. Can't trust the begginers, also I couldn't afford 20 weeks of gear at once, this thing its expensive.

**38jumper38** · 02-17-2011, 04:06 PM

Just received my delivery today with instructions, and my doctor called later on to find out if I had it. He told me that HCG needs to be injected 48 hours prior to test injections, and I need to take 1 pill of anastrazole 48 hours after I pin the test, and second pill 72 hours later and 96 hours. The rest I will follow protocol.
The only thing bother me is that no one comments on the amino acids, they really worth the money???????????????????

**zaggahamma** · 02-17-2011, 04:25 PM

dont know about the aminos bro but imo...a lil too much anasrazole without looking to see if u need it first...

**38jumper38** · 02-17-2011, 04:37 PM

what's dosage of anastrazole are you running? mine it's a 1 mg tablet.

**zaggahamma** · 02-17-2011, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by 38jumper38

what's dosage of anastrazole are you running? mine it's a 1 mg tablet.

i take .25 at a time (thats like you splitting those pills you have in fourths...you know...in half then cut those half's in half

....one of those pieces is now .25mg...usually 3 to 4 times a week i will take that amount unless i've dropped my test dosage down to 125 then i dont usually take any...anastrazole is super powerful and can drop your estradiol too low which you havent seen that you WILL NEED it yet...see where i'm coming from...imo, i think its a bit of a malpractice to prescribe it prior to seeing levels elevated...

**38jumper38** · 02-17-2011, 05:17 PM

Ok, thanks for the information, I'm gonna try that. what's sides of LOW or High estradiol???

**bass** · 02-17-2011, 05:33 PM

i take 1/2 mg Anastrozole ed and my estradiol level is at 30.4, maybe because i was tacking deca at the same time! i also injected B12, but stopped just to see what giving me the sides. i may go back to B12 after my next blood test and keep monitoring it. i am not sure about the amino acids!

i agree with JP regarding your protocol being a bit too much, i wish i listened to the guys here and started with test first, then bring in one compound at a time to monitor for sides and such. good luck bro, and i am glad we could help!

BTW, i got my refill of test, 2 10ml bottles!

**bass** · 02-17-2011, 05:46 PM

i take 1/2 mg Anastrozole ed and my estradiol level is at 30.4, maybe because i was tacking deca at the same time! i also injected B12, but stopped just to see what giving me the sides. i may go back to B12 after my next blood test and keep monitoring it. i am not sure about the amino acids!

i agree with JP regarding your protocol being a bit too much, i wish i listened to the guys here and started with test first, then bring in one compound at a time to monitor for sides and such. good luck bro, and i am glad we could help!

BTW, i got my refill of test, 2 10ml bottles!

**bass** · 02-17-2011, 05:47 PM

damn!

**38jumper38** · 02-17-2011, 07:45 PM

Thanks, bro
I exciting to start this, I will start a low dose on anastrazole. I have my shot of HCG today and saturday will be my first shot of TEST and DECA , I read a lot about amino and will find out in a week if they are good or not.

**38jumper38** · 03-30-2011, 06:02 PM

Update on my 6 week TRT:
Got my blood results today.

Hemoglobin 17.2 High range: 12.5-17.0 (doc say I will need to donate blood in few weeks)
Hematocrit 51.2 High range: 36.0-50.0

Free test: 52.9 High range: 8.7- 25.1
Estradiol: 24.0 range: 7.6-42.6

Testosterone Serum: 2,561 High range 249-836

My doc was impress with a low dose (200mg test and 200mg deca ) my test level is 2,561 and I understand why my libido and sex drive is over the roof. So know I have to lower my dose, 2,561 is too much, I my try 1/2 dose for 8 weeks and BW again to see results. Men I'm so happy with my gains, I'm so pump and losing bf every day. Lets see what happen

**zaggahamma** · 03-31-2011, 05:14 AM

Originally Posted by 38jumper38

Update on my 6 week TRT:
Got my blood results today.

Hemoglobin 17.2 High range: 12.5-17.0 (doc say I will need to donate blood in few weeks)
Hematocrit 51.2 High range: 36.0-50.0

Free test: 52.9 High range: 8.7- 25.1
Estradiol: 24.0 range: 7.6-42.6

Testosterone Serum: 2,561 High range 249-836

My doc was impress with a low dose (200mg test and 200mg deca) my test level is 2,561 and I understand why my libido and sex drive is over the roof. So know I have to lower my dose, 2,561 is too much, I my try 1/2 dose for 8 weeks and BW again to see results. Men I'm so happy with my gains, I'm so pump and losing bf every day. Lets see what happen

now thats the numbers i'm used to seeing on fairly high trt doses....glad you see that even though youre flying high now you know that running high long term isnt a great idea...glad youre seeing results and keep us posted with what you change to and how if any your gains taper or stay the same

**GotNoBlueMilk** · 03-31-2011, 05:43 AM

holy crap! So how is your body reacting to those high numbers? I hope you are lifting to take advantage of it. I put on 10lbs of muscle in 10 weeks with just 720 total T. At 2,561 I think I would have hulked out and given Lou a run for his money.

**bass** · 03-31-2011, 09:19 AM

200mgs of deca is the reason for the high levels, i am sure once you get off deca your numbers will get back in range with 200mgs test (TRT range). like GNBM said, take advantage of it! what is your diet like?

**dosXX** · 03-31-2011, 11:03 AM

wow! they selling you that much stuff huh? Test along with some AI and HCG will be significantly beneficial already. The rest are just added cost.

**38jumper38** · 03-31-2011, 12:38 PM

yes, I need to lower my dose, I'm happy with the way i feel, sure I need to take advantage and work more and improve my diet, but feel like 18 again its great.

**38jumper38** · 03-31-2011, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by bass

200mgs of deca is the reason for the high levels, i am sure once you get off deca your numbers will get back in range with 200mgs test (TRT range). like GNBM said, take advantage of it! what is your diet like?

I felt great but didn't work out enough and my diet its not good on calls, need more calls for sure, now that I now its my test high I will take every day hard as I can.

**38jumper38** · 03-31-2011, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by GotNoBlueMilk

holy crap! So how is your body reacting to those high numbers? I hope you are lifting to take advantage of it. I put on 10lbs of muscle in 10 weeks with just 720 total T. At 2,561 I think I would have hulked out and given Lou a run for his money.

I have no sides, my anastrazole is doing the trick, but need improve more on my diet and work hard, haven't see much gains, but recovery is great.

**38jumper38** · 03-31-2011, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by jpkman

now thats the numbers i'm used to seeing on fairly high trt doses....glad you see that even though youre flying high now you know that running high long term isnt a great idea...glad youre seeing results and keep us posted with what you change to and how if any your gains taper or stay the same

I got some weight but not much, will have some measurements next monday, will know exactly what a gain, I know there is some, my harms looks big some out. Not sure what difference will make when I lower my dose.

**vtach12** · 03-31-2011, 03:30 PM

Those are incredible numbers! Was your doctor expecting those to be that high? Eat, sleep, and workout all you can!

**black6** · 03-31-2011, 03:58 PM

Was going to start a new thread, but since it was brought up here I'll just add to it.

I went and seen my HRT yesterday and he made the comment about HIGH lvls of T really wasnt a concern. More of how your E2 lvls handled it. If they were in check then it was fine.

@Jumper...Have you seen any ill affects of it being that high?

**38jumper38** · 03-31-2011, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by vtach12

Those are incredible numbers! Was your doctor expecting those to be that high? Eat, sleep, and workout all you can!

he expecting around 800, that's was he told me on the begging, but he was so surprise with those levels, and he say my body respond way to well, so now is up to me to start eat and work better, be honest I wasn't expecting much from, was more like losing some fat and fell great, but know I need to react and put some weight, I still have 4 more weeks then he will lower my dose.

**38jumper38** · 03-31-2011, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by black6

Was going to start a new thread, but since it was brought up here I'll just add to it.

I went and seen my HRT yesterday and he made the comment about HIGH lvls of T really wasnt a concern. More of how your E2 lvls handled it. If they were in check then it was fine.

@Jumper...Have you seen any ill affects of it being that high?

Yes, he was more worry about my Estrogen levels, but they are under 30, so no worry about test, he say I can have levels up to 5000, but keep estrogen lower is the key. About the sides, I didn't have any, that's why I wasn't eating and working out enough, I didn't believe that test was that high or doing anything.

**MJRuff01** · 03-31-2011, 11:55 PM

With your LH levels already high, not sure why the added hCG to run during that cycle. Pretty clear that with high LH levels and low test that hCG probably will not do anything for you.

**Whitecollar10** · 04-01-2011, 12:24 AM

Originally Posted by 38jumper38

I have no sides, my anastrazole is doing the trick, but need improve more on my diet and work hard, haven't see much gains, but recovery is great.

So, what dosage of anastrazole did you settle on?

**X83** · 04-01-2011, 12:43 AM

Originally Posted by 38jumper38

The only thing bother me is that no one comments on the amino acids, they really worth the money???????????????????

Yes the L-Arginine and L-Glutamine will increase your natural levels of HGH if taken a few times per day.

Also L-Arginine works great for constant erections.

**GotNoBlueMilk** · 04-01-2011, 07:29 AM

Originally Posted by X83

Yes the L-Arginine and L-Glutamine will increase your natural levels of HGH if taken a few times per day.

Also L-Arginine works great for constant erections.

Do trees have lots of L-Arginine?

**38jumper38** · 04-01-2011, 08:14 AM

Originally Posted by X83

Yes the L-Arginine and L-Glutamine will increase your natural levels of HGH if taken a few times per day.

Also L-Arginine works great for constant erections.

I was concern about those aminno acids, but today I can tell you they worth every cent of it, the pump I get on the gym are amazing, the recover is great, I can work every day, and for the erections, its like been on Viagra 24 hours a day, I take the shots 1 or 2 hours prior to work out, but not every day (too much pin) usually 3 times per week.

**38jumper38** · 04-01-2011, 08:21 AM

Originally Posted by GotNoBlueMilk

Do trees have lots of L-Arginine?

I have powder (gnc), but nothing compare to injections, and I believe Carnosine is for vascular, and does the job, if you think plasma jet is good or any other nitric-oxide is good, try carnosine, its crazy, I got veins on my legs, harms, fore-harms, even on my belly I can see it, and I still have some fat on my stomach, If I loose my fat and cut down a lot will be looking crazy. Thanks,

**38jumper38** · 04-01-2011, 08:23 AM

Originally Posted by Whitecollar10

So, what dosage of anastrazole did you settle on?

They are 1mg tablet, I take 3 tables per week, 48, 72, 96 hours after the test/deca injections.

**38jumper38** · 04-01-2011, 08:30 AM

Originally Posted by black6

Was going to start a new thread, but since it was brought up here I'll just add to it.

I went and seen my HRT yesterday and he made the comment about HIGH lvls of T really wasnt a concern. More of how your E2 lvls handled it. If they were in check then it was fine.

@Jumper...Have you seen any ill affects of it being that high?

No men, no sides, the one thing I expected was have some sides, and not having make me thing that 200mg test/deca was too low and won't do anything to me, as far libido and sex drive i was given credit to the ammino acids, that's way I wasn't eating and working out as I had to.