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    what does these values mean, TRT?

    I already cycled once, but this is my BEFORE cycle blood work and wanted to hear it from you guys if these values mean i need to be on HRT/TRT? or it shows am good? these results were clean (no cycles ever when i did the test). i wasnt fasting when i did the test and i did the test after a night shift, so i was kinda sleepy when i did the test!

    i'll start with my stats:

    Age- 28
    Height- just about 5'7"
    Weight: 76-79kgs (168-175lbs)

    *testosterone = 3.51 ng/ml (total test)
    male: 3.0-10.6
    female: 0.1-0.9

    *thyroid function test:
    free t3= 3.83 pmol/l (2.22-5.34 pmol/l)
    free t4= 13.51 pmol/l (9.1-23.8 pmol/l)
    tsh= 1.434 uUl/ml (euthyroid 0.2-5 / hyperthyroid <0.15 / hypothyroid >7)

    *FSH= 4.06 mIU/ml (normal male range 1.0-8.0 uIU/ml)

    *LH= 4.81 mIU/ml (male 2-12 uIU/ml)

    *Estradiol= 1.7 pg/ml (men <62pg/ml)

    *Progesterone= 0.3 ng/ml (0.2-3.37 ng/ml)

    *Heamoglobin= 12.9 gm/dl (male 14-18 gm/dl , female 12-14 gm/dl)

    *Total Count (WBC) 5.2 K/uL (4.0-11.0 K/uL)

    *differential count:
    Neutrophils= 48% (40-75%)
    Lymphocytes= 45% (20-45%)
    Eosinophils= 3% (1-6%)
    Monocytes= 4% (2-10%)
    Basophils= 0%
    Platelet count= 277 k/UI (150-400 k/UI)

    *Creatinine Phosphokinase, CPK= 348 U/L (male 24-195 , female 24-170)

    *Liver Function Test:
    Alkaline Phosphatase 97 IU/L (male 40-129 , female 35-104)
    SGOT, AST= 25 IU/L (up to 40)
    SGPT, ALT= 37 IU/L (up to 41)
    Total Bilirubin= 0.73 mg/dl (upto 1.0)
    Direct Bilirubin= 0.12 mg/dl (upto 0.3)
    Indirect Bilirubin= 0.61 mg/dl (upto 0.7)
    Protein Total= 9.62 gm/dl (6-8.3)
    Albumin= 5.1 gm/dl (3.2-5)
    Globulin= 4.52 gm/dl (2.3-3.5)

    i would like comments if something looks weird in my results
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    all the ones out of range point to one thing, your kidneys! did the doctor say anything to you? what is you BF%? other than that everything else looks great. you test is on the low end but still in range. now I'll let the more experienced chimes in.

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    which values are you stating is out of range to say its the kidney? if you were looking at creatine its because i was on creatine and keto supps
    doctor said i was fine being low but with in range and argued with him that this couldnt be normal since am 28yrs old. my body fat using the caliper says am 12-13% and at the gym they have a device that measures fat and says 15%, so i would average them up and say 14%BF
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    creatinine and these,

    Protein Total= 9.62 gm/dl (6-8.3)
    Albumin= 5.1 gm/dl (3.2-5)
    Globulin= 4.52 gm/dl (2.3-3.5)

    but taking creatine explains everything!

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    thanks for your time and reply bass
    any more guys?

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    Maybe it's just me and I'm looking at it wrong, but is your Estradiol score in the tank or what? Did you take a AI while cycling, and did you run some sort of PCT? Also, how long has it been since you ended the cycle?

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    ^^

    That's the first thing that caught my eye as well. Looks like your E2 is practically nil, which can be a pretty big problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vetteman08 View Post
    Maybe it's just me and I'm looking at it wrong, but is your Estradiol score in the tank or what? Did you take a AI while cycling, and did you run some sort of PCT? Also, how long has it been since you ended the cycle?
    These are are BEFORE cycle results. never ever been on cycle when i did that blood test!

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    Quote Originally Posted by frawnz View Post
    ^^

    That's the first thing that caught my eye as well. Looks like your E2 is practically nil, which can be a pretty big problem.
    thats my blood work when i was training natural and was using supps such as creatine/NO/keto pills and protien
    again thats my E2 when i was natural!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kml999 View Post
    thats my blood work when i was training natural and was using supps such as creatine/NO/keto pills and protien
    again thats my E2 when i was natural!
    It's still a matter of concern, as low Estrogen has numerous medical issues associated with it. How was your libido when you had that bloodwork done?

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    i wouldnt say libido was top notch, but its was fine

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    Quote Originally Posted by frawnz View Post
    It's still a matter of concern, as low Estrogen has numerous medical issues associated with it. How was your libido when you had that bloodwork done?
    could this effect E2?
    "i wasnt fasting when i did the test and i did the test after a night shift, so i was kinda sleepy when i did the test!"

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    no it shouldn't!

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    It shouldn't impact it much, if at all. Low E2 generally causes libido/ED issues and has been shown to cause bone mass density weaknesses in males, amongst other things. I'd say most of us are in the 30-50 range, so his 1.7 is pretty significant if that's where it still is:

    This study looked at 1220 men (aged 20-90 years) who had participated in phase 1 of the Third National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey. Men with lower estradiol levels, lower free testosterone levels, and higher circulating SHBG concentrations were more likely to have low BMD. This relationship held true even when taking into account other risk factors known to influence BMD.
    testosterone = 3.51 ng/ml (male: 3.0-10.6)
    Estradiol= 1.7 pg/ml (men <62pg/ml)
    Globulin= 4.52 gm/dl (2.3-3.5)

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    Quote Originally Posted by frawnz View Post
    It shouldn't impact it much, if at all. Low E2 generally causes libido/ED issues and has been shown to cause bone mass density weaknesses in males, amongst other things. I'd say most of us are in the 30-50 range, so his 1.7 is pretty significant if that's where it still is:
    well i know what you are saying and i asked the doc about it back then and said it was fine and i knew i had low test and low e2 (thats why i went on 500mg cycle to see where my hormones will fall at).

    how would a person increase his estradiol? go on low dosage of test to maintain a mid to high test level and increase e2? isnt that TRT?

    i did go on my 1st cycle after that test results and right now my estradiol is sitting at 170.4 (28-156) which is high. i think my adex was bunk cause i cant imagine how e2 could go this high while using adex at 0.5mg EOD on cycle. After cycle blood work were 1.5 months after PCT!

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    Quote Originally Posted by frawnz View Post
    It shouldn't impact it much, if at all. Low E2 generally causes libido/ED issues and has been shown to cause bone mass density weaknesses in males, amongst other things. I'd say most of us are in the 30-50 range, so his 1.7 is pretty significant if that's where it still is:
    could i state that the Globulin value you just looked at is part of the liver function test! i didnt do SHBG on that day if that what you're refering to
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