Doctor put me on 50mg Test Every Other Week... lol

**Sector** · 09-07-2011, 08:05 PM

I wanted to cry. Seeing as how ive been trying for sometime now to find a doc that would put me on trt, I cant really be picky. I would go with an online clinic but most ( if not all ) do not take insurance and I simply cant afford to pay out of pocket for the time being.

Whats more is when I asked if I was having issues could I come in earlier then 2 months post starting injections to get bloodwork and readjust, she said no. I have to wait 2 months.

My solution... Wait 6 weeks before I even touch my vial of test and only spend 2 weeks shut down with ultra low test levels, hopefully she will bump me afterwards.

She clearly doesnt trust my intentions in wanting TrT as I am only 24 and she made it clear not to abuse the substance or she would hault treatment. I hate to be rude because im sure she is a very knowledgeable doctor but as far as hormone replacement she is clueless.

Edit - She didnt even give me a copy of my bloodwork but my test was sub 300s and also had a low thyroid.

Open to suggestions from anyone else but keep in mind I really dont have the option of using anyone else at this point in time, ive tried everyone in the local area and im still finishing school. Id also like to note, before I even touched a steroid my test hovered in the mid 300s at the age of 18 years old.

**swllce** · 09-07-2011, 08:20 PM

I you mention fear of infertility ,she might be open to adding in hcg into your protocol.
That might help with boosting your natural test production until she bumps you up.
100 mg /week is pretty much standard.
Many doctors are not willing to prescribe AIs and hcg because they are only fda approved for females .

**Sector** · 09-07-2011, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by vickenkalle

I you mention fear of infertility ,she might be open to adding in hcg into your protocol.
That might help with boosting your natural test production until she bumps you up.
100 mg /week is pretty much standard.
Many doctors are not willing to prescribe AIs and hcg because they are only fda approved for females .

At this point in time I am afraid to push my luck asking for HCG or an AI, I do beleive however that I will need to add those in on my own. My main concern is that low dose of test, I need to find some studies to help show her that 50mg every other week will put me through hell and be of no use.

Im just not sure how to get her to bump that dose really. I would be thrilled with 100mg per week and I know many guys ( on the forums ) on 200-300mg per week doctor perscribed.

**Fred40** · 09-08-2011, 06:19 AM

Sucks......but your blood work in two months should show her the light.

I don't think you need to play around.....50mg every two weeks is not going to raise your T much.....if at all. Just complain of all the same symptoms when you do see her.

**JD250** · 09-08-2011, 08:13 AM

Call her everyday and tell her how bad you feel while you search for a doctor that didn't get their degree from a cereal box!!! But first show her some of DR. Crislers stuff and see if she can read. Ya never know. Keep searching Bro

**gixxerboy1** · 09-08-2011, 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by Sector

At this point in time I am afraid to push my luck asking for HCG or an AI, I do beleive however that I will need to add those in on my own. My main concern is that low dose of test, I need to find some studies to help show her that 50mg every other week will put me through hell and be of no use.

Im just not sure how to get her to bump that dose really. I would be thrilled with 100mg per week and I know many guys ( on the forums ) on 200-300mg per week doctor perscribed.

300mg a week is clinic doses guys are paying for. that is not a trt dose. My first cycle was that.

I would do what she prescribed get the follow up blood work and let her raise the dose.

**steroid.com 1** · 09-08-2011, 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by JD250

But first show her some of DR. Crislers stuff and see if she can read.

This is what I would do if I were in your shoes.

**zaggahamma** · 09-08-2011, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by Sector

I wanted to cry. Seeing as how ive been trying for sometime now to find a doc that would put me on trt, I cant really be picky. I would go with an online clinic but most ( if not all ) do not take insurance and I simply cant afford to pay out of pocket for the time being.

Whats more is when I asked if I was having issues could I come in earlier then 2 months post starting injections to get bloodwork and readjust, she said no. I have to wait 2 months.

My solution... Wait 6 weeks before I even touch my vial of test and only spend 2 weeks shut down with ultra low test levels, hopefully she will bump me afterwards.

She clearly doesnt trust my intentions in wanting TrT as I am only 24 and she made it clear not to abuse the substance or she would hault treatment. I hate to be rude because im sure she is a very knowledgeable doctor but as far as hormone replacement she is clueless.

Edit - She didnt even give me a copy of my bloodwork but my test was sub 300s and also had a low thyroid.

Open to suggestions from anyone else but keep in mind I really dont have the option of using anyone else at this point in time, ive tried everyone in the local area and im still finishing school. Id also like to note, before I even touched a steroid my test hovered in the mid 300s at the age of 18 years old.

i bolded the magic words

**Fred40** · 09-08-2011, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by jpkman

i bolded the magic words

Yeah....but he doesn't want to play around with self dosing and have his Dr think that 50mg EOW is raising his T.

**VMAAG** · 09-08-2011, 11:43 AM

First thing is get a copy of your blood test results no matter what. It's your right. You want to have them to refer back to especially sincew your baseline levels are reflected on those results. Second you've stated clearly she is your only option at this point so based off that there is nothing for you to do until you are able to afford a clinic which is going to run you about $900 for everything. Best of luck. And BTW you are correct, 300's is deficient for any age but especially since you're only 24.

**Sector** · 09-08-2011, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

300mg a week is clinic doses guys are paying for. that is not a trt dose. My first cycle was that.

I would do what she prescribed get the follow up blood work and let her raise the dose.

Im definatly not interested in getting to 300mg, was just tossing out the example. I would be more then happy at 100mg per week compared to what shes started me at. I dont see any way possible to do what she prescribed, it will have my test levels lower then they already are naturally and put me in emotional hell for 8 weeks.

Originally Posted by VMAAG

First thing is get a copy of your blood test results no matter what. It's your right. You want to have them to refer back to especially sincew your baseline levels are reflected on those results. Second you've stated clearly she is your only option at this point so based off that there is nothing for you to do until you are able to afford a clinic which is going to run you about $900 for everything. Best of luck. And BTW you are correct, 300's is deficient for any age but especially since you're only 24.

Appreciate it, appreciate all the responses guys. Definatly going to research a few studies that would hold some credit and bring them into her in 8 weeks. Im not 100% sure how im going to approach my blood test at the moment though.

**kelkel** · 09-08-2011, 12:16 PM

Choose your words carefully with your doctor when the time comes. You don't want to "offend" her and have her shut you down.

**Sector** · 09-08-2011, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Choose your words carefully with your doctor when the time comes. You don't want to "offend" her and have her shut you down.

Exactly, very worried about this. I figure if I simply bring in a few supportive studies and explain to her that I am not seeking her trt to "bulk up" as she put it but simply to feel better. Explain that as someone who enjoys bodybuilding, I will in fact be going through periods of being bigger and smaller but in no way would 100mg a week be significant to help me with that, explain to her that if I did indeed want to use steroids I wouldnt put her at risk by attempting to abuse the test she gave me for trt and it would be much easier for me to just get them illegally.

I totally understand her being nervous, im a buy guy and im young. Both of those in combination with low test levels tend to point to steroid use , she just doesnt have a very good concept of how much test effects a person. I could tell that she was starting on the low side purely because she thinks I can take that puny 10ml vial of 100mg/ml test and BULK on it, when really it wouldnt do shit for me. I actually think she is completely unaware that supplementing testosterone like this will in fact shut down my system permanently.

I want to try an stick this out, im stoked to finally have a doctor that took a risk for me. I just need to figure out the best way to approach things with her so we can gradually get on a healthy dose.

Side note - I think for now, I will research some trt protocols so I am better aware as to explain to her what I want as well as to start supplementing my own HCG and have my own AI on hand.

**Sector** · 09-08-2011, 12:45 PM

Question. I have gone through the process of an online clinic just prior to seeing this doctor. I did not pull the trigger purely because of the price and lack of insurance coverage. Does anyone think it would be wise to print off the emails regarding the doses this clinic would start me off at? Like there trt protocol somewhat, to give my doctor an idea of what the norm is out there?

Obviously some online clinics can dose excessive but this one is 200mg cyp per week, hcg once a week, and an AI. Just thought if I showed her how someone else approaches trt with their clients that she might be a little more at ease to script me 100mg per week.

**Titleesq** · 09-08-2011, 01:05 PM

^^^^^Can't hurt bro. Do your research, print out the findings, and good luck......

**streeter** · 09-08-2011, 01:15 PM

If you want some sources for HCG PM me I have a few that are pretty cheap and no script required

**428scj** · 09-08-2011, 01:22 PM

06 Kingpin Deluxe here bro. LOVE IT as much as the juice.

**zaggahamma** · 09-08-2011, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by Fred40

Yeah....but he doesn't want to play around with self dosing and have his Dr think that 50mg EOW is raising his T.

time...............is on your side..............

time-ing rather

**kelkel** · 09-08-2011, 08:29 PM

I took copies of Crislers protocol's that were relevent, highlighted the parts that I didn't have memorized and was ready for any "point-counter-point" thrown at me. Worked out great. I don't think I'd take print outs from a clinic. Your doc will probably just look at those places as "dealers."

**Sector** · 09-08-2011, 08:43 PM

Really appreciate all the advice guys. Going to go in with maybe a study and crislers protocols and those combined with my about to be stupid low test levels should get things bumped.

**frawnz** · 09-10-2011, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

300mg a week is clinic doses guys are paying for. that is not a trt dose. My first cycle was that.

I would do what she prescribed get the follow up blood work and let her raise the dose.

I understand what you're saying, but it isn't necessarily accurate. I'm on 300/week from a conservative endocrinologist who started me at 100mg/every 2 weeks. It takes that much to put me in a normal range and get rid of my low T symptoms because my body metabolizes certain drugs (like novacaine) at a rapid rate (my theory anyhow).

I've heard of some guys being on 500mg/week just to attain a level of normalcy as well. I'm not saying this is typical, but it does happen.

**VMAAG** · 09-10-2011, 04:49 PM

If you go to the website of The Life Extesnion Foundation you can find some great articles that are all cited and supported by studies. It's lef.org. Good Luck

**BOB89** · 09-10-2011, 09:25 PM

My Dr started me on a low dose(I think 200 every month) and scheduled retesting for 6 months. I made it about 2 months in and called and he upped the dose and moved up my blood work. I think that 2 months is a short time to deal with the issue in order to seek long term treatment. If you follow her directions to the letter and test at an extremelly low level then it would make sense for her to up the dosage. Then over time you can dial in on a dosage that works for both you and her. This may just be the way she does things.

If I'm not mistaken there are a few people on here with dosages in the sub 100mg a week range who feel great but I don't think anyone is approaching 25mg a week.

**JD250** · 09-11-2011, 10:42 AM

50mg every other week is nothing short of stupidity perpetrated by a doctor that doesnt know shit, take the woman some info and pray that she is open to learning more about it and to stop experimenting with YOUR health. There ARE existing precedents in the arena of HRT.......this shouldn't be that hard for any doc to grasp. Good gawd!!! Do these docs still amputate arms when a patient comes in with a broken one? Be polite to her but for krist sake don't let anyone EXPERIMENT on your health in an area where they have ZERO expertise.

**steroid.com 1** · 09-11-2011, 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by JD250

50mg every other week is nothing short of stupidity perpetrated by a doctor that doesnt know shit, take the woman some info and pray that she is open to learning more about it and to stop experimenting with YOUR health. There ARE existing precedents in the arena of HRT.......this shouldn't be that hard for any doc to grasp. Good gawd!!! Do these docs still amputate arms when a patient comes in with a broken one? Be polite to her but for krist sake don't let anyone EXPERIMENT on your health in an area where they have ZERO expertise.

Love it JD! So well stated!

Traditional Docs are not trained in restorative medicine practices and therapies. They treat symptoms of disease with synthetic drugs and don't go to root causes. That's not how they are trained to be honest.

A new day is dawning

**kelkel** · 09-12-2011, 07:12 AM

Also remember, and I'm surprised GD didn't put this out there as he showed it to me, Dr. Crisler will consult with your doctor regarding your treatment for a small fee. Sounds like a great idea in your case if your doc is open to receiving advice!

**VMAAG** · 09-15-2011, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by gdevine

Love it JD! So well stated!

Traditional Docs are not trained in restorative medicine practices and therapies. They treat symptoms of disease with synthetic drugs and don't go to root causes. That's not how they are trained to be honest.

A new day is dawning

Well said and I am SO happy it is. It will be a while but finally people are waking up to the fact that they must be proactive in their own wellness care and that doctors do not have all the answers.

**steroid.com 1** · 09-15-2011, 03:17 PM

^^^^ Can someone tell me what this shit is? Can't we get this banned from the forum? Any Mod help?

**Shol'va** · 09-15-2011, 03:55 PM

Yeah the nerf ball is in the lounge as well posting idiotic crap. but back to op. Just be patient and take it one step at a time. and if she starts telling you that she is leery of you abusing the stuff remind her that you go to a gym regularly and could easily get the stuff there if that was your goal but you came to her so you could get your endocrine system where it should be at your age not to screw it all up by abusing the steroids . Keep her off guard you can do it. And eventually she will raise the levels. but you will probably never be prescribed enough for cycles, no way. Even at 200 mg per week shots, you need at least a 400mg a week shot for a lower dose cycle for at least 12 weeks at a time and if she only prescribes you 800mg per month...well do the math your still going to need another source for cycles. That's all im sayin here, but at least she can get you where your body should be naturally where you'll feel a heck of a lot better. The rest is up to you.

**zaggahamma** · 09-15-2011, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by VMAAG

Well said and I am SO happy it is. It will be a while but finally people are waking up to the fact that they must be proactive in their own wellness care and that doctors do not have all the answers.

......x2......

**gixxerboy1** · 09-19-2011, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by frawnz

I understand what you're saying, but it isn't necessarily accurate. I'm on 300/week from a conservative endocrinologist who started me at 100mg/every 2 weeks. It takes that much to put me in a normal range and get rid of my low T symptoms because my body metabolizes certain drugs (like novacaine) at a rapid rate (my theory anyhow).

I've heard of some guys being on 500mg/week just to attain a level of normalcy as well. I'm not saying this is typical, but it does happen.

oh i agree that it can happen and everyone is different. But you had to work your way up to that dose.
I think alot of guys are impatient and want to start of high
some dr's are cautious and going to want to start of low to be safe

**Logonzo** · 09-21-2011, 05:59 PM

As for safety, I don't think there is any chance of overdosing T. ESP near TRT levels, I don't understand why docs don't start off on the average to high side, then reduce to optimal. Less emotional miserable rollercoaster that way.