Sub-Q Test Injection starting today!

**bass** · 10-26-2011, 11:43 AM

OK guys this evening will be my first SQ test shot, l like to know is there any other place i can administrate the shot besides belly fat? for example how about the butt fat, thigh fat, etc...?

**steroid.com 1** · 10-26-2011, 12:08 PM

bass, I have a hard to believing that you have butt and thigh fat

It's best advised to use stomach fat (stay away from belly button...not to close to the umbilicus and below umbilicus as there seems to be more veins to hit here), but can do other places like you mention as well where there is a fat pad. Remember, after the injection you will want to message the area to smooth out the "ball" of test so it spreads evenly under the skin.

BTW bass, if you do decide on your leg make sure it's your quad...ok? Very important distinction here.

It will take a few seconds more to push the test through the smaller insulin pin but the pain is not even comparable to IM.

This may help: http://www.cc.nih.gov/ccc/patient_ed...epubs/subq.pdf

When drawing the Test into the insulin pin just insert the syringe into the vial and pull all the way back on the plunger...go for a cold one. When you come back the syringe will be full.

Easy enough.

**JohnnyVegas** · 10-26-2011, 12:37 PM

I am interested.

Did I miss a thread where you talked about your decision to do this?

**GotNoBlueMilk** · 10-26-2011, 01:02 PM

I typically do subq in the thigh area, closer to the hip not down at the knee. The skin is thicker and a little looser there. When seated, I hit and area on the top, not outer or inner thigh. When I do subq, I look for anywhere I can see a vein close to the skin, and stick somewhere else.

I have only done HCG and peptides in stomach. So I can't comment on that suggestion. May be a great place, just never tried it for Test.

I have nothing else to offer that gdevine didn't cover.

**bass** · 10-26-2011, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by gdevine

bass, I have a hard to believing that you have butt and thigh fat

It's best advised to use stomach fat (stay away from belly button...not to close to the umbilicus and below umbilicus as there seems to be more veins to hit here), but can do other places like you mention as well where there is a fat pad. Remember, after the injection you will want to message the area to smooth out the "ball" of test so it spreads evenly under the skin.

BTW bass, if you do decide on your leg make sure it's your quad...ok? Very important distinction here.

It will take a few seconds more to push the test through the smaller insulin pin but the pain is not even comparable to IM.

This may help: http://www.cc.nih.gov/ccc/patient_ed...epubs/subq.pdf

When drawing the Test into the insulin pin just insert the syringe into the vial and pull all the way back on the plunger...go for a cold one. When you come back the syringe will be full.

Easy enough.

Awesome! thanks GD!

**bass** · 10-26-2011, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by JohnnyVegas

I am interested.

Did I miss a thread where you talked about your decision to do this?

well doctors today are suggesting it and GDevine did post a great post and thats why i want to try it!

here is the link!

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...56#post5757556

**Dpyle** · 10-26-2011, 04:04 PM

Let me know how it goes for you Bass. I just had my follow up blood work pulled last night. I'm definitely interested in subQ. It would be nice not having to go in every week for my injection.

**bass** · 10-26-2011, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by Dpyle

Let me know how it goes for you Bass. I just had my follow up blood work pulled last night. I'm definitely interested in subQ. It would be nice not having to go in every week for my injection.

will do.

**HitIt** · 10-26-2011, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by gdevine

When drawing the Test into the insulin pin just insert the syringe into the vial and pull all the way back on the plunger...go for a cold one. When you come back the syringe will be full.

I've never been able to accomplish this with either water or oil based preps as the depression (vacuum) created in the barrel of the syringe causes the plunger to go right back down where you began unless you hold it.

**bass** · 10-26-2011, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by HitIt

I've never been able to accomplish this with either water or oil based preps as the depression (vacuum) created in the barrel of the syringe causes the plunger to go right back down where you began unless you hold it.

GD was being sarcastic, basically hes saying its going to take a damn long time!

**Vettester** · 10-26-2011, 04:19 PM

My wife is on BHRT and administers .08mg of cyp, and 250mcg of B12 via Sub Q. It's a great way to go! I would also look at going that way, but there's no way I can wait that long.

Agree that it's best to keep it in the stomach area when going Sub Q.

**flatscat** · 10-26-2011, 04:26 PM

if you can get your compounding pharmacy to mix the test with e.o. it makes this process much easier, ( and a lot quicker)!

**bass** · 10-26-2011, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by flatscat

if you can get your compounding pharmacy to mix the test with e.o. it makes this process much easier, ( and a lot quicker)!

whats e.o.? mine is mixed with cotton oil, which is slightly thiner than sesame oil!

**flatscat** · 10-26-2011, 04:35 PM

ethyl oleate

**jamotech** · 10-26-2011, 05:07 PM

I was reading on another trt board last night about others doing subq test shots, the info was scary ignorant. I couldnt believe there wasn't anyone smart enough on the board to scold them. They were talking about back loading slin syringes, my experience with needles goes farther than most should, and I couldnt believe no one brought up the issue of sterility. Once you pull that plunger all the way out sterility is gone, I wanted to ask them which 2nd street crack whore junkie taught them this was a proper way to administer an injection.

Good luck Bass, and im sure you'll be patient waiting for that test to draw in vs. back loading!! Why are you switching method, just need a change?

**jamotech** · 10-26-2011, 05:13 PM

just read GD's post, interesting reasons for switching methods, sounds like something to consider for the future.

**steroid.com 1** · 10-26-2011, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by flatscat

ethyl oleate

OT - But look who is red now. Congrats Flats

**steroid.com 1** · 10-26-2011, 05:58 PM

In its simplest terms; it's a viable option. If you want to inject just once a week and get a smoother metabolic uptake there's data to suggest SQ is the way to go versus IM. But there's so many other compelling reasons...one is not sticking long needles into muscle mass once or twice a week for the rest of their life...not discounting it's cheaper!

**steroid.com 1** · 10-26-2011, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by bass

GD was being sarcastic, basically hes saying its going to take a damn long time!

Probably should have said a few cold ones

It does take a bit more patience to load the pin...that's all.

**THINKBIG** · 10-26-2011, 09:25 PM

I tried it for 4 weeks. tried 1/2 cc for the first time and it was too much balled up and no matter how much I rubbed it it didnt go away. lol sounds like the morning wood to. I then did a 1/4 cc 2 days apart and it felt better still would get some weird shooting pains and I think I felt better just taking 1/2 cc every 5 days IM.

**bass** · 10-27-2011, 12:22 AM

did it and it was no problem! I'll do blood work to check for total and free T within 4 weeks or so to make sure its working the way it should. also started anavar today!

**VegasRenegade** · 10-28-2011, 07:49 PM

I have very ttle pain IM and doing SQ with Meliantan hurt like hell. Tell me how it is Cheeper.

**steroid.com 1** · 10-29-2011, 08:14 AM

Originally Posted by VegasRenegade

I have very ttle pain IM and doing SQ with Meliantan hurt like hell. Tell me how it is Cheeper.

Insulin pins in total are cheaper then buying syringes and two different sets of needles.

**bass** · 10-30-2011, 03:44 PM

second shot this morning and so far so good! much easier today, i believe last time i had fear of the unknown, but it was just as easy as hCG shot only took longer!

**steroid.com 1** · 10-30-2011, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by bass

second shot this morning and so far so good! much easier today, i believe last time i had fear of the unknown, but it was just as easy as hCG shot only took longer!

I'm really happy for you bass

It really is easy, less painful then IM and better metabolic uptake IMO.

**bass** · 10-30-2011, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by gdevine

I'm really happy for you bass

It really is easy, less painful then IM and better metabolic uptake IMO.

thanks for educating us on this GD! in 3-4 weeks i'll do testosterone total and free blood work and see how its doing! what i am happy about is i am on 100mgs a week and still feel great, in fact better than 200mgs!

**steroid.com 1** · 10-30-2011, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by bass

thanks for educating us on this GD! in 3-4 weeks i'll do testosterone total and free blood work and see how its doing! what i am happy about is i am on 100mgs a week and still feel great, in fact better than 200mgs!

More importantly bass, look at E2. The longer and smoother uptake via SQ will do more to keep steady and better E2 control with once a week SQ injections.

That's a beauty of SQ, no need to do more then once a week.

**bass** · 10-30-2011, 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by gdevine

More importantly bass, look at E2. The longer and smoother uptake via SQ will do more to keep steady and better E2 control with once a week SQ injections.

That's a beauty of SQ, no need to do more then once a week.

that would be nice, but man it takes for ever to load the syringe as is with 50mgs, i can't imagine waiting 5 minutes to load 100mgs LOL!

**--->>405<<---** · 10-30-2011, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by gdevine

In its simplest terms; it's a viable option. If you want to inject just once a week and get a smoother metabolic uptake there's data to suggest SQ is the way to go versus IM. But there's so many other compelling reasons...one is not sticking long needles into muscle mass once or twice a week for the rest of their life...not discounting it's cheaper!

what do u mean by smoother metabolic uptake? and also do u think sub q would be a good way to go for a new guy?

**steroid.com 1** · 10-30-2011, 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by --->>405<<---

what do u mean by smoother metabolic uptake? and also do u think sub q would be a good way to go for a new guy?

This study:

According to convention if we inject oil-based anabolic androgenic steroids into the fat layer beneath the skin and above the muscle (subcutaneous) it will impair absorption and could delay dissapation of drugs for many weeks or months. New research conducted at the Royal Victoria Hospital in Canada at the endocrine clinic tested the viability of subcutaneous shots.

The study involved 22 patients who were using the clinic for testosterone replacement therapy. The anabolic androgenic steroids was testosterone enanthate . The subjects were instructed to self-administer their testosterone subcutaneously once per week. The same 1ml that would have been injected once every 2 weeks was divided up into .5ml weekly injections. Blood tests which were conducted periodically throughout the 1 year investigation were suprisingly and unquestionably consistent. For exactly 100% of patients enrolled, testosterone levels remained in the physiological (normal) range for the entire duration of the study. This included both peak and trough levels (high & low during each week). Furthermore injections were extremely well tolerated. Each patient took over 50 injections and not one single adverse reactionn was noticed at the injection site.

The investigation concluded that not only was subcutaneous testosterone enanthate a viable option as far as drug release , but it was safe, cheap and far more comfortable for their patients compared to intramuscular injections.

Al-Futaisi AM, Al-Zakwani IS, Almahrezi AM, Morris D. Subcutaneous administration of testosterone. A pilot study report. Saudi Med J. 2006;27(12):1843-6.

ABSTRACT

OBJECTIVE: To investigate the effect of low doses of subcutaneous testosterone in hypogonadal men since the intramuscular route, which is the most widely used form of testosterone replacement therapy, is inconvenient to many patients. METHODS: All men with primary and secondary hypogonadism attending the reproductive endocrine clinic at Royal Victoria Hospital, Monteral, Quebec, Canada, were invited to participate in the study. Subjects were enrolled from January 2002 till December 2002. Patients were asked to self-administer weekly low doses of testosterone enanthate using 0.5 ml insulin syringe. RESULTS: A total of 22 patients were enrolled in the study. The mean trough was 14.48 +/- 3.14 nmol/L and peak total testosterone was 21.65 +/- 7.32 nmol/L. For the free testosterone the average trough was 59.94 +/- 20.60 pmol/L and the peak was 85.17 +/- 32.88 pmol/L. All of the patients delivered testosterone with ease and no local reactions were reported. CONCLUSION: Therapy with weekly subcutaneous testosterone produced serum levels that were within the normal range in 100% of patients for both peak and trough levels. This is the first report, which demonstrated the efficacy of delivering weekly testosterone using this cheap, safe, and less painful subcutaneous route.

**frawnz** · 10-30-2011, 06:43 PM

Definitely something I'm considering doing. I've done sub-q shots in my stomach with slin pins enough to know I'd much rather do that than keep jabbing my poor quads every week. My main issue is that I'd have to break it into two weekly shots of .75ml each week to maintain my current dosage. Might be worth trying though, especially since the long term scar tissue creation should be reduced significantly compared to IM.

**--->>405<<---** · 10-30-2011, 06:55 PM

thx GD..

**dfwo** · 10-30-2011, 07:31 PM

With the amount of belly fat I have, I might consider this too

**bass** · 10-30-2011, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by dfwo

With the amount of belly fat I have, I might consider this too

LOL, so what happens when we get all ripped and have no more belly fat?!

**lovbyts** · 10-30-2011, 11:26 PM

I tried this about 6 months ago, maybe more but I did 1cc the first time. It was to much. balled up, hurt for 2 weeks. I did 1/2 cc later and it seemed to go fine, no pain, no soreness and no balling up.

I think I will give this a try again soon also but I am changing things myself for a couple of months and going back to gel before my 4 months supply I have expires. Although test is test is test I may ask my doctor on my next visit to switch from Test E to Test C just because??

Keep us posted on how it works for you. BTW are you using Test C or E?

**bass** · 10-30-2011, 11:55 PM

Originally Posted by lovbyts

I tried this about 6 months ago, maybe more but I did 1cc the first time. It was to much. balled up, hurt for 2 weeks. I did 1/2 cc later and it seemed to go fine, no pain, no soreness and no balling up.

I think I will give this a try again soon also but I am changing things myself for a couple of months and going back to gel before my 4 months supply I have expires. Although test is test is test I may ask my doctor on my next visit to switch from Test E to Test C just because??

Keep us posted on how it works for you. BTW are you using Test C or E?

test C, but i heard test E is better, well i know its more expensive!

**ecdysone** · 10-31-2011, 06:51 AM

Originally Posted by bass

LOL, so what happens when we get all ripped and have no more belly fat?!

Seriously, then you will be making an IM injection using a slin pin - works even better!

However, then you might want to use delts or thigh area.

**--->>405<<---** · 10-31-2011, 06:53 AM

whats a slin pin?

**steroid.com 1** · 10-31-2011, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by frawnz

Definitely something I'm considering doing. I've done sub-q shots in my stomach with slin pins enough to know I'd much rather do that than keep jabbing my poor quads every week. My main issue is that I'd have to break it into two weekly shots of .75ml each week to maintain my current dosage. Might be worth trying though, especially since the long term scar tissue creation should be reduced significantly compared to IM.

Frawnz - The whole point here with SQ injecitons is that you only need to inject once per week as opposed to twice a week IM. Test have shown that both Test and E2 levels did not go through the peak and valley cycles we see in some men with IM weekly.

That's the biggest benefit of SQ.

**flatscat** · 10-31-2011, 10:08 AM

Ethly Oleate.... I keep telling you guys... what am I red for nothing????? lmao

ok so disclosure - a few people do have small reactions to EO, but for those that do they seem to lesson and go away over time.

smooth and goes really well with slin pins