Ronnie Roland cycle (trt for life)

**gearbox** · 12-18-2011, 05:30 PM

debating if I want to do a rr cycle, but it makes the possibility greater for trt. How bad is trt for life.. popping twice a wk does not seem to big of a deal.

**Brohim** · 12-18-2011, 05:44 PM

and who is RR?

**xelnaga** · 12-18-2011, 05:54 PM

Glad you made this thread- this is a topic I am curious about as well.

**Fred40** · 12-18-2011, 08:44 PM

???

Are we talking about purposely running a cycle that could knowingly put you on TRT for life?

If so....I'm befuddled by this line of reasoning.

**JD250** · 12-18-2011, 08:49 PM

Is Ronnie still on the forum? If so, ask him personally.

**blacksmoke** · 12-18-2011, 09:32 PM

He still has his slingshot thread going but has not answered any questions in a week or so.

**Brohim** · 12-18-2011, 09:44 PM

I'm pretty sure most doctors recommend a break off gear.

**gearbox** · 12-18-2011, 09:57 PM

Originally Posted by Fred40

???

Are we talking about purposely running a cycle that could knowingly put you on TRT for life?

If so....I'm befuddled by this line of reasoning.

No! but according to dec11 (who I respect on here) said to be careful with RR cycle of 8wks on two quick off with another 8wks on its the RR sling shot method.

and I didnt get ahold of him cause my question lie in trt...so who here is on it and can give me a heads up

**zaggahamma** · 12-18-2011, 10:07 PM

only question i saw my answer is not bad at all

**gearbox** · 12-18-2011, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by jpkman

only question i saw my answer is not bad at all

what?

**slfmade** · 12-18-2011, 10:54 PM

Originally Posted by gearbox

what?

Duh Gearbox...answer bad only saw question my I only is. You don't understand?

**Brohim** · 12-19-2011, 12:00 AM

THat cycle doesn't make sense. ONly off for 2 weeks? The gear clears in 2 weeks. So you would be off for 1 day? lol

**Brohim** · 12-19-2011, 12:02 AM

Let's see trt is taking injection's of test plus hcg plus drinking liquidex plus going to the docs office for blood work plus...you get the picture. If your young it's not worth the risk imo (doing that dumb permi cycle thing)

**JD250** · 12-19-2011, 01:18 AM

What's the question again?

**gearbox** · 12-19-2011, 01:45 AM

Originally Posted by Brohim

Let's see trt is taking injection's of test plus hcg plus drinking liquidex plus going to the docs office for blood work plus...you get the picture. If your young it's not worth the risk imo (doing that dumb permi cycle thing)

started to learn more about trt..

RR is ronnie roland and his 8x2x8 is called sling shot training...

**Flier** · 12-19-2011, 03:27 AM

Being shut down for 20 weeks obviously puts a greater strain on your HPTA.
But many of us are coming back after much longer time on. Myself, 18 months.

**FONZY007** · 12-19-2011, 06:02 AM

Originally Posted by Flier

Being shut down for 20 weeks obviously puts a greater strain on your HPTA.
But many of us are coming back after much longer time on. Myself, 18 months.

What u mean your coming back, u mean ur test levels. Mine personally where shut down for 18 months but only went as high as 167ng/ml which put me on trt for life!!

**Flier** · 12-19-2011, 07:07 AM

Originally Posted by FONZY007

What u mean your coming back, u mean ur test levels. Mine personally where shut down for 18 months but only went as high as 167ng/ml which put me on trt for life!!

Yes, I mean test levels, Hypothalamus, Pituitary, Leydigs, all going back to work.
Mine is now 12(8-35) 8 months past last pin.
8 weeks 60mg ED Tore starting in Jan.

For how long did you try coming back before you caved?

**FONZY007** · 12-19-2011, 07:32 AM

I was feeling fatigued at work after an 8 hour shift, so I seen my general doctor which sent me to an endo, from my last pin till I was put on trt was almost 2 years.

**Flier** · 12-19-2011, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by FONZY007

I was feeling fatigued at work after an 8 hour shift, so I seen my general doctor which sent me to an endo, from my last pin till I was put on trt was almost 2 years.

Ah shit!
when u say 167 ng, that´s on a 300-900 scale right?
Did u do anything in those 2 years to aid in recovery? like SERMs.

So how you feel now?
What´s your TRT meds?

**gearbox** · 12-19-2011, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by FONZY007

What u mean your coming back, u mean ur test levels. Mine personally where shut down for 18 months but only went as high as 167ng/ml which put me on trt for life!!

thanks..this is why I started the thread....dec11 warned me of this

**Sgt. Hartman** · 12-19-2011, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by gearbox

debating if I want to do a rr cycle, but it makes the possibility greater for trt. How bad is trt for life.. popping twice a wk does not seem to big of a deal.

I wouldn't deliberately run a cycle that would put me on TRT indefinitely. If you're looking for big gains then look into priming before your cycle and adjust your doses depending on your specific goals.

**tboney** · 12-19-2011, 02:34 PM

?????????...

**tboney** · 12-19-2011, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by slfmade

Duh Gearbox...answer bad only saw question my I only is. You don't understand?

Thats funny!!! TRT obviously doesnt improve language skills..

**JD250** · 12-19-2011, 03:02 PM

I'm with JPK, I only see one question here that pertains to TRT........."how bad is TRT for life"........to answer that I would say it's no big deal, no more hassle than any other daily/weekly routine, just more expensive. That's notwithstanding the fact that most of us have NO choice, I would NEVER put my health in danger on purpose knowing that it will result in lifetime TRT, that just doesn't make sense. Are you competing or amatuer? I wouldn't sacrifice my health to look good at the bars, personally I wouldn't do it for competition either but I understand that some are willing to make that sacrifice. I will say this much, from experience, your health is the most important thing you have control over, don't purposely fvck it up!

Post up your latest blood work Gearbox.

**zaggahamma** · 12-19-2011, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by JD250

I'm with JPK, I only see one question here that pertains to TRT........."how bad is TRT for life"........to answer that I would say it's no big deal, no more hassle than any other daily/weekly routine, just more expensive. That's notwithstanding the fact that most of us have NO choice, I would NEVER put my health in danger on purpose knowing that it will result in lifetime TRT, that just doesn't make sense. Are you competing or amatuer? I wouldn't sacrifice my health to look good at the bars, personally I wouldn't do it for competition either but I understand that some are willing to make that sacrifice. I will say this much, from experience, your health is the most important thing you have control over, don't purposely fvck it up!

Post up your latest blood work Gearbox.

well said ...agree 100% and yes thats the question i answered as thats all i gleaned from the op

i didnt know the word glean til i was on trt for 6 months

**JD250** · 12-19-2011, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by jpkman

i didnt know the word glean til i was on trt for 6 months

It's a well known fact that TRT makes us smarter.

**kelkel** · 12-19-2011, 03:38 PM

I think there's a big risk/reward issue here for the op. If your an aspiring pro BB or making money off of your physique then those type of individuals are always running gear or are generally more on than off. Unless that type of lifestyle is your job and you make a lot of money from it, I would say it's not worth the risk. As a former BB'er I strongly suggest you leave your ego out of this decision and put your health first. Especially if you have a family. My .02 anyway.....

**slfmade** · 12-19-2011, 03:59 PM

My question is...what happens one day when the government decides that want to run our lives a little more and ban trt or make it so hard to get its not worth the headache. There's always going to be people that abuse products. Ephadrine was legal for a while...somebody took to much and died...and it was banned for several years. What happens when some has a Heart Attack because he took 1000mg at 30% bf. Though I doubt this would happen...it could. You don't know what the future holds so I would be hesitant to knowingly screw up my body based upon an assumption that TRT will be available forever!

**JD250** · 12-19-2011, 06:08 PM

TRT will be fine in the future. More controlled, maybe but it's not going away.

**slfmade** · 12-19-2011, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by JD250

TRT will be fine in the future. More controlled, maybe but it's not going away.

How can you be so sure? I bet right now there's some greedy lawyer somewhere just waiting for the first complaint. Once he finds one, he'll start running commercials everywhere claiming that Test causes birth defects in children or something stupid, and then the greedy people of the world will start coming out of the woodwork saying the test caused their leg to fall off-it'll go to trail and some big prosecutor will convince the jury that steroids are bad (I mean if the media can sway people to believe steroids are bad, don't you think a well established prosecutor can?) and that'll be the end of that. Think of how many drug companies get sued and have to pull their products out of production.

I don't think there's a strong likelyhood of this happening, but you have to admit...People (especially american's) are sue happy!

**blacksmoke** · 12-19-2011, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by JD250

TRT will be fine in the future. More controlled, maybe but it's not going away.

I agree with JD.

**zaggahamma** · 12-19-2011, 06:42 PM

hopefully no one will abuse insulin and put millions of diabetics without

**kelkel** · 12-19-2011, 06:46 PM

^^^You're correct in a lot of what you say Slfmade. A similar situation would be Lyle Alzado and his blaming steroids for his tumor and resultant demise. It was ludicrous but became a media/legislative football which ended up with ridiculous laws being made, which in turn created an expansive black market that was/is even more dangerous. Making americans who just want to be a little bigger, faster, stronger into criminals.

When is comes to lawsuits, anyone can sue anybody for anything. But think of this, the legislators who would be hypothetically passing this law banning the medically supervised use of TRT are the same generation that will desperately need them. Therefore, they will remain legal. My .02 anyway

**djdizzy** · 12-19-2011, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by JD250

TRT will be fine in the future. More controlled, maybe but it's not going away.

I agree, you are just starting to see the TRT commercials now. If there is money to be made, and there is, they are gonna run with it. The only problem I can see a long ways off is like the problems insurance companies are having now with pain pills. People going to multiple docs to get multiple scripts. If TRT became mainstream and you can hit up multiple docs so you can run your 750mg test a week blast and have insurance pay for it who's gonna stop you?

**zaggahamma** · 12-19-2011, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by djdizzy

I agree, you are just starting to see the TRT commercials now. If there is money to be made, and there is, they are gonna run with it. The only problem I can see a long ways off is like the problems insurance companies are having now with pain pills. People going to multiple docs to get multiple scripts. If TRT became mainstream and you can hit up multiple docs so you can run your 750mg test a week blast and have insurance pay for it who's gonna stop you?

dea

can and will stop it

i wouldnt try it

**djdizzy** · 12-19-2011, 06:54 PM

Originally Posted by jpkman

dea

can and will stop it

i wouldnt try it

Like the great job they are doing with pain pills right now....

I'm not suggesting it, just saying in hypothetical future that's where they could run into problems

**slfmade** · 12-19-2011, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by jpkman

hopefully no one will abuse insulin and put millions of diabetics without

Very Good Point - But I think many people that don't understand the benefits on TRT would find it to be more of a drug that improves lives vs insulin which saves lives. I understand your point though. Listen I have nothing against TRT at all and I hope it goes on forever. It's just a concern of mine that somebody's gonna screw it up for us. I guess I'm just a little pessimistic.

**zaggahamma** · 12-19-2011, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by slfmade

Very Good Point - But I think many people that don't understand the benefits on TRT would find it to be more of a drug improves lives vs insulin which saves lives. I understand your point though. Listen I have nothing against TRT at all and I hope it goes on forever. It's just a concern of mine that somebody's gonna screw it up for us. I guess I'm just a little pessimistic.

even a better point...i cant say that i've never worried but imo, its worth living for today

**--->>405<<---** · 12-19-2011, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by slfmade

Very Good Point - But I think many people that don't understand the benefits on TRT would find it to be more of a drug that improves lives vs insulin which saves lives. I understand your point though. Listen I have nothing against TRT at all and I hope it goes on forever. It's just a concern of mine that somebody's gonna screw it up for us. I guess I'm just a little pessimistic.

That thought never crossd my mind.. U know even though we enjoy the aesthetic benefits of TRT there is the sound medical long term reasons to justify its use otherwise it wouldnt have been allowed in the first place.. And if they do ban it then fcuk it u can get it like everyone gets everything else thats "illegal"...