Self Bleeding!

**bass** · 08-14-2012, 10:35 AM

its hard to do self bleeding and take a video at the same time, but i did my best!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fI9Q1...ature=youtu.be

Self-Bleeding Supplies and instructions
A. 5/32” or 4mm OD polyurethane Tubing, preferably clear. you can get from McMaster or any hardware store
B. 18 g. 1.5” long needle
C. 16 oz. clear water bottle with cap
D. Blood pressure cuff
E. Alcohol and cotton

1) Prepare the bottle by poking two small holes on the cap, small enough to press fit the tubing in.
2) Cut one 3 feet long tubing and one 3.5 feet, then sterilize with alcohol, don’t overdo it!
3) Insert each tubing about 1 to 1.5 inch into the holes on cap and tape for security
4) Insert the 3 foot tubing open end into the 18 g. needle luer lock end and secure with medical tape
5) Put the blood pressure cuff on then add small amount of pressure.
6) Disinfect the entry site with alcohol very well then dry with cotton
7) Put the 3.5 foot long tube open end in your mouth
8) Pump the blood pressure cuff until your vein pops up, wait a minute or so.
9) Remove the needle safety cover off and insert the needle into the vein at a shallow angle, no need to go too deep. Hold in in position.
10) Now you can apply negative pressure to the bottle with your mouth to help blood move through. You can gauge the pressure by maintaining the bottle collapsed half way.
11) You can also make a fist on the drawing hand to help blood flow to the vein.
12) Once done you MUST first release the cuff pressure completely before pulling the needle out.
13) Get cotton ready, place it over the needle then pull the needle out. Apply pressure and hold for about a minute or so with your arm up.
14) Once the bleeding stops you can remove the cuff and wrap your arm with gauze.
15) Dispose of your blood in toilet.

Disclaimer: these instruction are for educational purposes only, I do not recommend or encourage anyone doing this on their own. If you choose to do it at your own risk, it’s up to you.

**dfwo** · 08-14-2012, 10:41 AM

I'm speechless. lol

**steroid.com 1** · 08-14-2012, 11:10 AM

Dang b...you got a big set for sure!

The blood in the toilet got me however...

**bass** · 08-14-2012, 01:18 PM

LOL, you can actually hear the blood pouring in the bottle! i know its gross but when you have to do it and no one wants to help you there is no other way.

**Dpyle** · 08-14-2012, 01:25 PM

Why was this so intriguing I had to watch it during my pre workout meal? May have to take a minute away from the table now.

**ozzie43** · 08-14-2012, 01:34 PM

Gotta love the vice grips! Thanks for showing how it's done Bass.

**Times Roman** · 08-14-2012, 01:35 PM

nice mate. had to laugh when you used your machine for your tournaquet. what size needle? i only have 18 or 22ga. asked the doc, and she said 20ga works fine. but yours didn't look big like an 18.

and yer a blind fuk like me, noticed you had to wear your reading glasses!

i found a solution however, to self bleeding. delta takes my blood. 1pint x eom. next up to bat is end of september.

strange, i was donating in afghanistan, and they take a liter, and then every third mo.

**Dpyle** · 08-14-2012, 01:36 PM

One question. Given the vice grips I'm assuming the bp cuff is just for the pressure on the arm?

**mister.fantastic** · 08-14-2012, 01:40 PM

man... your nuts!

thats alot of blood!

**bass** · 08-14-2012, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by Dpyle

Why was this so intriguing I had to watch it during my pre workout meal? May have to take a minute away from the table now.

LOL! i know what you mean!

Originally Posted by ozzie43

Gotta love the vice grips! Thanks for showing how it's done Bass.

yea very crude but it dose the job!

Originally Posted by Times Roman

nice mate. had to laugh when you used your machine for your tournaquet. what size needle? i only have 18 or 22ga. asked the doc, and she said 20ga works fine. but yours didn't look big like an 18.

and yer a blind fuk like me, noticed you had to wear your reading glasses!

i found a solution however, to self bleeding. delta takes my blood. 1pint x eom. next up to bat is end of september.

strange, i was donating in afghanistan, and they take a liter, and then every third mo.

18 g. mate! unfortunately for me eom is not enough, thats why i had to do it in between, i am hoping if i do double reds that might help. we'll see.

Originally Posted by Dpyle

One question. Given the vice grips I'm assuming the bp cuff is just for the pressure on the arm?

it helps expand the veins and make them hard, also creates pressure so the blood move through the needle.

Originally Posted by mister.fantastic

man... your nuts!

thats alot of blood!

yes i know, we're all nuts anyway! 16 oz is about one pint, and i only extracted 3/4 of a pint.

**Americanman10** · 08-14-2012, 03:14 PM

What us the reasoning for self bleeding?

**xtitan1** · 08-14-2012, 03:17 PM

What kind of toilet is that?

**optionsdude** · 08-14-2012, 03:27 PM

Holy macaroni! Thanks for sharing Bass.

**SEOINAGE** · 08-14-2012, 03:40 PM

mmmm grape juice

**kelkel** · 08-14-2012, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by xtitan1

What kind of toilet is that?

Funny but that's exactly what I was thinking!

Bass, at once I'm just amazed and aghast. This is leading somewhere. Horror movies, porn like GD, not really sure....

**Times Roman** · 08-14-2012, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Funny but that's exactly what I was thinking!

Bass, at once I'm just amazed and aghast. This is leading somewhere. Horror movies, porn like GD, not really sure....

I was asking him some questions on self bleeding, as I too have a high RBC. Not to speak on behalf of Bass, but I think i remember him saying others were asking, so he just decided to make the video.

I think it's a good thing. pretty hard to video and stick a needle in a vein all at the same time. I'd like a better shot of the actual needle stick, but don't see how unless he asks his woman to holld the camera.

**kelkel** · 08-14-2012, 06:51 PM

Yep. I was harassing him about making it months ago because he's done it before. It is definitely an impressive solo adventure that I don't think I could undertake on my own, but desperate times call for desperate measures and he surely came through. Independent short film festival here he comes!

Did I read you were finally able to donate TR?

**bass** · 08-14-2012, 06:55 PM

i should have put the twilight zone music in the background!

**Times Roman** · 08-14-2012, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by bass

i should have put the twilight zone music in the background!

little disappointed there bass - o - matic!

if these blokes thought pouring 3/4 pint of blood in the toilet is crazy, wonder what they would have thought if you tipped the bottle and chugged it down instead?

Now, THAT would have been a crazy video!

**Nofinshline** · 08-14-2012, 07:43 PM

Good job Bass! and thx for sharing!

how much does it lower your hematocrit? say 3-4 points?

**Times Roman** · 08-14-2012, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Yep. I was harassing him about making it months ago because he's done it before. It is definitely an impressive solo adventure that I don't think I could undertake on my own, but desperate times call for desperate measures and he surely came through. Independent short film festival here he comes!

Did I read you were finally able to donate TR?

yep. i cheated and forgot to tell them i lived in germany in 1982

**kelkel** · 08-14-2012, 08:23 PM

I'm sure whoever gets your blood will be thrilled to have it no matter where the hell you lived! Good for you TR.

**GirlyGymRat** · 08-14-2012, 08:49 PM

I did notice a heavy sign at 2:40, the rapid breathing about 1/3 of the pint in and of course the toilet...not the toilet, but that it was clean!
Nothing but RESPECT!

**GirlyGymRat** · 08-14-2012, 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by Times Roman

yep. i cheated and forgot to tell them i lived in germany in 1982

there's worst things in the blood supply...for SURE!

**bass** · 08-14-2012, 11:21 PM

Originally Posted by Nofinshline

Good job Bass! and thx for sharing!

how much does it lower your hematocrit? say 3-4 points?

don't know about hematocrit, but I know that lowers hemoglobin and rbc quite a bit!

**Bonaparte** · 08-14-2012, 11:50 PM

Originally Posted by bass

don't know about hematocrit, but I know that lowers hemoglobin and rbc quite a bit!

Hematocrit is just the percentage of your blood that is solid (RBC's vs plasma).

**Babyslim** · 08-15-2012, 02:12 AM

Holy crap, I wanna take a dump at your house... Does that think get cable?

**Times Roman** · 08-15-2012, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by GirlyGymRat

there's worst things in the blood supply...for SURE!

Pretty sure all the cooties are gone.

they are worried about mad cow's. it has a ten year incubation period. but i lived there 30 years ago. as such, i am on permenant deferment (banned for the rest of my life)

**Razor** · 08-15-2012, 11:19 AM

Balls of steel

**measuretwicecutonce** · 08-15-2012, 11:28 AM

i just got lightheaded and dizzy..

**BlueWaffle21** · 08-15-2012, 11:38 AM

That's "cray cray"

**Allaaro** · 08-15-2012, 12:33 PM

Wow to video and do that your something else.

Hope I don't need do that in future but good to see its possible...I'll skip the video though.

**AXx** · 08-15-2012, 02:04 PM

Hey man if you will send me your mailing address (in a PM) I will send you some supplies that we use on the ambulance, tourniquet and so forth. IV start kits to be exact!!

**GFA** · 08-15-2012, 02:14 PM

The funny thing is, this is very similar to what they do in the hospital. I have had my blood drained weekly for the past month (approx 1 pint a week). The only difference between what bass did and my nurse/doc does, is the container they put the blood in. They use a glass jar.

I am going back in 2 weeks to get my levels checked again. 4 pints of blood drained in the past month.

Been off test for almost a month now.

**Times Roman** · 08-15-2012, 03:50 PM

**startingnew** · 08-15-2012, 03:52 PM

I appreciate the video and think it's very good info for the "just in case it's needed" knowlege.Hope my Dr follows thru with his word that he'll let a pint if it gets to thick.Ive been taking 70mg test 2/wk for eight months now and haven't let any blood.Also worried about that and the fact my dad passed in 1970 from three heart attacks due to very thick blood.Thickness was a little high three months ago so I'm sure I need some taken.Tues can't get here fast enough.What tubing did you use if I might ask?

**bass** · 08-15-2012, 04:52 PM

5/32 or 4mm polyethylene tubing, part number from SMC is TU0425. it fits snug inside the needle luer lock.

**startingnew** · 08-15-2012, 06:51 PM

Thanks Bass,just what I needed to know.

**Bonaparte** · 08-16-2012, 03:17 AM

Here's a tip:
You're much better off using a manual BP cuff. Adjust the pressure to just below your systolic pressure, so that blood is allowed to enter the extremity (because it is below your systolic threshold), but not able to return to the body (since venous pressure is lower than arterial pressure). I suspect that your phlebotomy stopped at 3/4 of a pint because you clamped the hose off above your systolic pressure, so you could only collect the blood already trapped in that arm.

As an interesting and potentially useful side note: this situation is what you want to avoid most when tourniqueting a wound, since it will actually speed the loss of blood (but this is our purpose with phlebotomy). When using a tourniquet, make sure that it is on there more than tight enough to close off arterial flow, because if it isn't, you're doing more harm than good. When BP cuffs are used in the ER or surgery for bleeding control (much better than a makeshift field TK...and no, belts don't work), they are generally inflated to 240+ mmHg.