erection issues.....18 months later

**crxsir** · 09-16-2014, 04:35 AM

When I got off cycle, about 18 months ago, I never did a pct. Stupid I know, but I was misinformed. I ran test cyp 500/wk, took off 2 months, then cycled the same with some tren . At first I really didn't have any problems. About 6 months after I noticed I had gyno, and my erections were not as solid as they used to be. I talked to an endo and he said everything would bounce back and balance out. Its 18months later and the erection problems are far worse, sometimes it works sometimes it don't. Never get morning wood, low libido.....what do I do? My latest blood work had my estradiol a bit high. Im wondering if I ran some arimidex would it balance me out this late in the game. Im hoping so........any advice is greatly appreciated

**marcus300** · 09-16-2014, 04:44 AM

Can you post your full blood work?
if your E was high yes arimidex will help lower your E and also help with the libido issues, its all about balance and getting this right but if your levels aren't to good maybe a pct is required now to see if you get better number.

**crxsir** · 09-16-2014, 12:13 PM

Ill post them right when I get home. I just wasnt sure since its 18 months later if it was too late and the damage was done.

**< <Samson> >** · 09-16-2014, 12:17 PM

Nah - A solid PCT run can boost your natural test production and help it stay that way

Really depends on how rough your BW is

**kelkel** · 09-16-2014, 01:37 PM

Need to see LH, FSH specifically.

**nickulus** · 09-16-2014, 01:59 PM

Kel,

Would low LH and FSH cause erectile issues?

**kelkel** · 09-16-2014, 02:07 PM

Yes, but many things play into it as well. LH and FSH signal the testies to produce test and spermatogenesis.

**crxsir** · 09-16-2014, 03:47 PM

I had 2 labs done one at around 6 months after and then one a year after that. the fist one is as follows
DHEA >30.00ng/ml reference range 1.8to12.5
prolactin 12.4ng/ml 2.1-17.7
lh 3.3mIU/ml 1.5-9.3
fsh 3.5mIU/ml 1.4-18.1
estradiol 27pg/ml <53
testosterone 301ng/dl 160-726
free test 62.5pg/ml 21-135
test%free 2.1% 1.5-3.2

18 months off
estradiol 45pg/ml <40
fsh <4.2mIU/ml 1.4-18.1
prolactin 14.5ng/ml 2.1-17.7
test 979ng/ml 240-900
test free 186pg/ml 21-135
test%free 1.9% 1.5-3.2
not sure why my endo didn't have dhea or lh tested the second time.

**< <Samson> >** · 09-16-2014, 10:42 PM

Originally Posted by crxsir

18 months off
estradiol 45pg/ml <40
fsh <4.2mIU/ml 1.4-18.1
prolactin 14.5ng/ml 2.1-17.7
test 979ng/ml 240-900
test free 186pg/ml 21-135
test%free 1.9% 1.5-3.2
not sure why my endo didn't have dhea or lh tested the second time.

This is very interesting

Any pros have more input on this?

You're not on anything right now right?

**Baxter35** · 09-17-2014, 03:02 AM

If I'm reading this right, FSH is on the low side as well. High total and free test with low fsh points to exogenous test from what I know.

**crxsir** · 09-17-2014, 04:22 AM

Absolutely nothing, haven't cycled anything for 18 months, I can assure you of that. Where should my fsh and lh numbers be, more towards the middle of the spectrum? What do I do to get everything balanced out?

**Baxter35** · 09-17-2014, 06:13 AM

Seeing how you have no reason to lie, I believe you. But that also means I'm out if this one and will leave it to those with more experience. Best of luck.

**dreadnok89** · 09-17-2014, 06:53 AM

Prolactin is pretty high right? Not to be rude but do you really know what gyno is? Your estrogen has to be out of wack and high for a while i believe. I also thought i had gyno till i did alot of cardio and high chest rep excercised

**crxsir** · 09-17-2014, 07:38 AM

I have a lump behind my nipple that was diagnosed via ultrasound to be gynocomastia. So pretty sure thats what it is. That isnt my concern at this point, I just want my libido and erections to be normal. Is there anything that can be done to get lh and fsh leveks back up yo normal. And would the high estradiol caise the libido and erection.issues?

**Low Testosterone** · 09-17-2014, 08:27 AM

It may not be a testosterone problem, and from the sound of it it's not. Could be something as simple as a blood flow problem. All the testosterone in the world with perfectly balanced hormones won't do anything for you erection wise if there's a blood problem. Some men need testosterone, some men need cialis and some men need both.

A bit of a note - I really wish people would stop mentioning morning erections as a way in which they judge erection function. It doesn't mean anything. I know I'm repeating myself but that's one of those that's worth repeating.

In regards to the gyno and the poster who said "your estrogen has to be out of whack" you are correct - the individual did not develop gyno from where his estrogen levels are currently but once you have it, even if you drop your E2 levels to 0 you're still going to have it.

**crxsir** · 09-17-2014, 10:45 AM

The thing is everything worked great up until using steroids , seems kind of coincidental to happen directly after. Also if it werr just a blood flow issue im thinking id have a normal libido just no erections. And sometimes it works, which is leading me to believe its hormonal rather than blood flow. Also what aboit the low fsh and lh levela, or high e level, would those.contribute possibly?

**Bodacious** · 09-17-2014, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by Low Testosterone

It may not be a testosterone problem, and from the sound of it it's not. Could be something as simple as a blood flow problem. All the testosterone in the world with perfectly balanced hormones won't do anything for you erection wise if there's a blood problem. Some men need testosterone, some men need cialis and some men need both.

A bit of a note - I really wish people would stop mentioning morning erections as a way in which they judge erection function. It doesn't mean anything. I know I'm repeating myself but that's one of those that's worth repeating.

In regards to the gyno and the poster who said "your estrogen has to be out of whack" you are correct - the individual did not develop gyno from where his estrogen levels are currently but once you have it, even if you drop your E2 levels to 0 you're still going to have it.

What are you saying here?? Once you have to way of getting reed of it???? More info please

**< <Samson> >** · 09-17-2014, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by Bodacious

What are you saying here?? Once you have to way of getting reed of it???? More info please

Come on man, lol

Duh

Even if you have no estro, the gyno will not vanish or reverse itself

It will have to be reversed(Ralox) or surgically removed

OP - I really don't know. I have been studying BW for quite some time now & I still don't understand this one. Your numbers are "naturally" high now. Why, I have no clue

With those numbers according to everything I have read your libido should be up, if anything

Just a side question: Are you suffering from any type of depression? It can suppress your libido quite a bit without you really noticing

**xcraider37** · 09-17-2014, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by < <Samson> >

Come on man, lol

Duh

Even if you have no estro, the gyno will not vanish or reverse itself

It will have to be reversed(Ralox) or surgically removed

OP - I really don't know. I have been studying BW for quite some time now & I still don't understand this one. Your numbers are "naturally" high now. Why, I have no clue

With those numbers according to everything I have read your libido should be up, if anything

Just a side question: Are you suffering from any type of depression? It can suppress your libido quite a bit without you really noticing

OP, why not go get another blood draw and be sure no mistake was made since you obviously had some odd results with the last one.

**Low Testosterone** · 09-17-2014, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by crxsir

The thing is everything worked great up until using steroids, seems kind of coincidental to happen directly after. Also if it werr just a blood flow issue im thinking id have a normal libido just no erections. And sometimes it works, which is leading me to believe its hormonal rather than blood flow. Also what aboit the low fsh and lh levela, or high e level, would those.contribute possibly?

It's possible that the estradiol could be causing issue but unlikely at that level. Normally it would need to be a little higher, but everyone is different. Unlikely FHS or LH is causing your issue - more likely (pertaining to libido) that there's another hormone at play or it could be due to some other medication or factor in your life.

Originally Posted by Bodacious

What are you saying here?? Once you have to way of getting reed of it???? More info please

See Samson's reply, that's what I'm saying.

**Mr.BB** · 09-17-2014, 01:09 PM

Results are contradictive.

You need to redo the blood work.

Do it in a good lab

**kelkel** · 09-17-2014, 03:37 PM

Op, could it be psychological? It can happen.
Try low dose daily cialis like LowT mentioned.
Adding low dose Doxazosin along with it will help with erectile quality. It's a smooth muscle relaxer. (your weiner's a smooth muscle)

**crxsir** · 09-17-2014, 04:22 PM

I asked about fsh and lh more so because they are low, aren't they. I was kind of thinking the high estradiol was more so the cause of my erection problems. I don't think im depressed per say, but im not right for sure, since I cycled. And depression can be caused by high estradiol ad well can it not? As far as the quality of blood work, both tests were done via a prescription through my endo, im assuming the lab should be good then. But i was already ahead of you guys on that one, talked to my endo to order another set and monitor things more closely in case. I have been using viags for now but hope i its not something ill have to do forever. Scared thatll ill almost become dependent on it and it wont work normal. Also why would it work sometimes but not others if it was something psychological?

**gon3r** · 09-19-2014, 02:28 PM

"Also why would it work sometimes but not others if it was something psychological?"

Another way to think about this is, "How could it be something physical if it sometimes works."

I'm trying to figure the same out on my end...

**kelkel** · 09-19-2014, 09:51 PM

Originally Posted by gon3r

"Also why would it work sometimes but not others if it was something psychological?"

Another way to think about this is, "How could it be something physical if it sometimes works."

I'm trying to figure the same out on my end...

All it takes is one negative thought at times to ruin the moment.

**2Sox** · 09-21-2014, 12:36 PM

^^^^^ So true.

This subject has come up time and time again. Take a look at this thread. I'm sure this will give you further insight:

http://forums.steroid.com/hormone-re...ml#post6706000

**crxsir** · 10-07-2014, 03:13 PM

So I had an another apt at the endo and got another set of labs drawn.
estr 25pg/ml <40
FSH 3.1mIU/ml 1.4-18.1
FT4 1.08ng/dl 0.89-1.76
LH 4.7mIU/ml 1.5-9.3
PLTN 10.1ng/ml 2.1-17.7
TSH 1.13uIU/ml 0.35-4.00
DHEA 206ug/dl 80-560
TTRPF 581/ng/dl 240-900
TESTfree 104.1pg/ml 21.0-135.0
TEST%free 1.8% 1.5-3.2
sex hormone binding globulin 44nmol/l 9-54

**crxsir** · 10-07-2014, 03:18 PM

My endo told me everything looks great, but cant seem to explain my erection issues. He thinks that because of my steroid use , and my hormones being all over the place til they actually balanced out finally, that my body is just taking time to get used to normal ground again. He told me within 6 months everything should work normal, but in the next breath referred me to see a urologist. Does anyone have an opinion on or any thought. All I know is seems like as things balanced out they got progressively worse, which makes no sense to me. Id think they'd have been crappy immediately after and gotten better as time went on?

**Beethoven** · 10-07-2014, 06:25 PM

I'm no expert, but the % of free test is a bit low and SHBG is near the top. I'm sure the more knowledgeable members will chime in.

**lovbyts** · 10-08-2014, 01:35 AM

You have 2 choices. Either wait it out because I think if you try taking anything such as an AI or doing a PCT you are going to mess things up more. Last test looks pretty good.

Dont ignore the advice about the Cialis. It has many good benefits and Viagra and cialis are not even close to the same thing so drop the Viagra and go with cialis 5mg 2x a day.

**crxsir** · 10-08-2014, 04:49 AM

Is it possible that all this is from the steroid use 18 months ago. Also why would it have gotten progressively worse and my lab numbers got better? I'm not planning on taking anything at this point, I'm no expert, but everything seems balanced. Is it possible that my body, or mind for that matter, will build a dependency on a v or cialis?

**lovbyts** · 10-08-2014, 04:57 AM

Yes it's possible just like your doctor said. Even though your nubers are good things are still obviously in flux and have not settled. No not necesarily would it get worse. Most of the time it eventually gets better unless the persons test levels do not recover. It just looks like yours is having a tough time but it's not broken.

Cialis no. Viagra??? Personally I think it's possible because of how it works. They say no, it's not addictive but I think at least mentally it can be.

**crxsir** · 10-08-2014, 05:34 AM

I just thought it was weird how my erections issue got worse as time went on. Wouldn't it develop fast almost immediately off cycle? So cialis is way better and definitely won't make me develop a dependency? I'd hate to have to take something permanently for the rest of my life for my junk to work? I guess I'll have to talk my doctor about this.

**lovbyts** · 10-08-2014, 05:45 AM

If you are looking for an absolute answer you aren't going to find it here, maybe not even at your doctors but it's a good place to try. The way you keep asking the same question over and over I'm thinking a lot of it may be in your head and you are just worrying to much but either way just relax and try to fix it to your satisfaction.