Doc Took Me Off TRT. Feeling Like Complete $hit!

**USMCSS** · 08-26-2015, 04:57 PM

Long story short, my RBC's were high and a new doc at the VA thinks the cause was my TRT and fails to accept that my labs were done the week after I moved from an elevation of 7000 ft to 1200 ft as well as have asthma and was having some seasonal allergy issues. He didn't know wtf he was talking about when it came to several things but said he wanted to see me back in 3 months to see how my natural test levels were and that was a month ago. Didn't put me on an AI or anything and now I'm feeling awful since my last pin on 7/12. Takes days to recover from lifts, sex drive, mood, etc. I have since requested a new doc as there were alot of things I didn't like about him and his methods. My question is, I have some adex on hand and was wondering if I should considering using it til my next labs in October. If so, dosage recommendations.

**Xphanial** · 08-26-2015, 05:12 PM

Doc sounds like a right Kent.

**ppwc1985** · 08-26-2015, 05:18 PM

You need a new dr, rbc does get higher on trt for most guys. If he didn't realize this before putting you on it, than he shouldn't be prescribing it.

**bigdil511** · 08-26-2015, 05:34 PM

What do you need to use adex for? You could try a clomid restart.

**2Sox** · 08-26-2015, 06:28 PM

Did you mean 8/12 was your last pin? What is your dose? Why are you even considering adex at this time?

**kelkel** · 08-26-2015, 08:27 PM

Why not pull some BW yourself via a private lab and see how you're doing?

**USMCSS** · 08-27-2015, 01:41 AM

Know I meant 7/12. Ya, it's been that long and was considering adex only because I already had it on hand and wanted to use it to try to stabilize at least a little.

**USMCSS** · 08-27-2015, 01:42 AM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Why not pull some BW yourself via a private lab and see how you're doing?

Because I'm going to be traveling alot in the next few weeks and not sure where I'll be able to find one while on the go.

**USMCSS** · 08-27-2015, 01:45 AM

Originally Posted by 2Sox

Did you mean 8/12 was your last pin? What is your dose? Why are you even considering adex at this time?

Know I meant 7/12. Ya, it's been that long and was considering adex only because I already had it on hand and wanted to use it to try to stabilize at least a little.

**USMCSS** · 08-27-2015, 01:51 AM

Originally Posted by ppwc1985

You need a new dr, rbc does get higher on trt for most guys. If he didn't realize this before putting you on it, than he shouldn't be prescribing it.

Well it was my primary care physician who put me on it and it's actually the PA in the endocrinologists office who took me off of it. He and I had it out about a few things. He's a scrawny little liberal beta male and I think he was just jealous of my big cock when he went to go check my dudes. lol Seriously though, I told them I refused to see him for follow up. When I asked about possibly being prescribed clomid after about a month of being off, he laughed and told me I need to stop reading the internet so much. The senior endo walked in and set him straight on that. Problem is, when I requested a new doc, his bitch ass failed to put what the senior endo said in his report. That's VA care for you.

**APIs** · 08-27-2015, 05:19 AM

Originally Posted by USMCSS

He's a scrawny little liberal beta male

This made me lols, there's a lot them these days it seems. If you can afford it, I would get your records and copies of your blood work and find a qualified doc. I would avoid taking the adex unless you have your own blood drawn like Kel mentioned...

**bigdil511** · 08-27-2015, 06:11 AM

If you can't go through the va is it possible for you to try low t and pay on your own at least until you can sort this shit out?

**bobtail** · 08-27-2015, 07:56 AM

Yeah, my dumb ass doctor did the same thing. Looks like your just going to have to out of pocket and go to a low T clinic. It's not that expensive. Well worth it in my opinion. Just think about it.
Anybody use the one advertised on here?

**USMCSS** · 08-27-2015, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by APIs

This made me lols, there's a lot them these days it seems. If you can afford it, I would get your records and copies of your blood work and find a qualified doc. I would avoid taking the adex unless you have your own blood drawn like Kel mentioned...

Originally Posted by bigdil511

If you can't go through the va is it possible for you to try low t and pay on your own at least until you can sort this shit out?

Originally Posted by bobtail

Yeah, my dumb ass doctor did the same thing. Looks like your just going to have to out of pocket and go to a low T clinic. It's not that expensive. Well worth it in my opinion. Just think about it.
Anybody use the one advertised on here?

I'd love to get my own outside doc but there's a couple catches to that. First off, money is going to be tight for the next month with all the travelling I have to do. Second, I have already requested the new doc at the VA and from what I've heard the new one is a good dude. He's old school and not afraid to do shit the right way and not that by the book BS so I don't mind waiting it out until beginning of October so I can see him. Now, if he turns out to be not as expected, then ya, I'll be going outside the VA but for now, it's worth it to wait and much more feasible as all treatments and meds are 100% free for me and when you're 100% disabled and your VA compensation is your main source of income, that's a big deal. I just hate feeling like shit until then and was hoping for a little relief from that.

**RedBeardedViking** · 08-27-2015, 01:47 PM

USMCSS,

hope the new Doc takes care of you, I truly feel your pain as I have been trying to fix my low T for over a year and finally got a referral outside of the Military Hospital. its so hard to find a good doctor to fix this issue, seems as most are scared to even touch this problem.

**USMCSS** · 08-27-2015, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by RedBeardedViking

USMCSS,

hope the new Doc takes care of you, I truly feel your pain as I have been trying to fix my low T for over a year and finally got a referral outside of the Military Hospital. its so hard to find a good doctor to fix this issue, seems as most are scared to even touch this problem.

Well it wasn't a problem with my first PCP at the VA but that one left and when I told the new one about some issues I was having such as limp noodle, zero libido, and what not, she started ordering useless tests like FSH and LH. It's a no shitter those are going to be at close to zero in value so I told her to just send me to the endo. That's when the scrawny little liberal beta freaked about my RBC's when they weren't even all that high. He was saying my original t levels of 287 and 380 pre TRT were fine. I'm 40 not 80 and when I saw him I was only on 100 mg's cyp once a week and my level was at 668 which I was happy with because I was looking to do a cycle soon but now I'm dealing with all this. I mean he could of just said go donate blood but nooooo, he's a by the book little girl.

**bigdil511** · 08-27-2015, 04:16 PM

Good luck man, keep us updated.

**USMCSS** · 08-27-2015, 05:07 PM

So nobody agrees with me using adex? Not saying I am, just asking opinions. YES, I know I should do labs buuuut....

**kelkel** · 08-27-2015, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by USMCSS

So nobody agrees with me using adex? Not saying I am, just asking opinions. YES, I know I should do labs buuuut....

Def not. Odds are your T is already low thus your E is probably lower as well. Taking adex and crashing your E will make you feel even worse.

**bigdil511** · 08-27-2015, 06:54 PM

Originally Posted by USMCSS

So nobody agrees with me using adex? Not saying I am, just asking opinions. YES, I know I should do labs buuuut....

No, not at all. What are you hoping adex will do for you at this point?

**USMCSS** · 08-27-2015, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Def not. Odds are your T is already low thus your E is probably lower as well. Taking adex and crashing your E will make you feel even worse.

Ya I don't want to crash the E too. Just hate feeling so bad. Workouts are taking forever for recovery and everything aches like hell.

**2Sox** · 08-27-2015, 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by bigdil511

No, not at all. What are you hoping adex will do for you at this point?

I'd like to know that too.

**USMCSS** · 08-27-2015, 09:05 PM

I dunno anymore. FML....

**RedBeardedViking** · 08-28-2015, 06:15 AM

stay strong and keep fighting for a doctor that will get you back to feeling good again, having low E sucks.

**kelkel** · 08-28-2015, 06:33 AM

Just pace yourself. Make your nutrition and rest paramount to aid recovery. Do not over-train.

**USMCSS** · 08-28-2015, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by RedBeardedViking

stay strong and keep fighting for a doctor that will get you back to feeling good again, having low E sucks.

Originally Posted by kelkel

Just pace yourself. Make your nutrition and rest paramount to aid recovery. Do not over-train.

Trying my best bros. I've been carbo loading lately and that has helped the energy. The rest part is the issue because that was one of my original complaints with low T was sleep issues. Slept like a baby while on it but not so much since July. Been doing oxygen therapy at home so that has also helped me feel a bit better and energetic. I'll keep riding this out. Worse comes to worse, I've got about 600 mg's of my test cyp stashed away and I can just stab away with! lol jk

**APIs** · 08-31-2015, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by USMCSS

I've got about 600 mg's of my test cyp stashed away and I can just stab away with! lol jk

x2. I always keep extra 10 ml vials on-hand. Good practice. Never know what the weak-suits in Washington will try & pull next...

**USMCSS** · 09-01-2015, 11:11 PM

Originally Posted by APIs

x2. I always keep extra 10 ml vials on-hand. Good practice. Never know what the weak-suits in Washington will try & pull next...

Yup. I get 2, 1 ml vials of 200 mg test cyp every month and I have 6 on hand so I actually meant to say I have 1200 mg's on hand and will be getting another 2 ml's before I go see the doc. The idiot didn't take my script out of the system so the VA pharmacy keeps sending them to me. No complaints here as it's free for me.

I also got full labs done today so I'll be update this thread with those soon.

**USMCSS** · 09-04-2015, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by APIs

This made me lols, there's a lot them these days it seems. If you can afford it, I would get your records and copies of your blood work and find a qualified doc. I would avoid taking the adex unless you have your own blood drawn like Kel mentioned...

Originally Posted by bigdil511

Good luck man, keep us updated.

Originally Posted by kelkel

Just pace yourself. Make your nutrition and rest paramount to aid recovery. Do not over-train.

UPDATE ON LABS:

I cheated the system and got some labs done early before my follow up with the NEW endo doc. I am 53 days out from my last pin of test cyp and my current test level is 225 with reference range of 200-950. Last level before coming off was 668. My RBC's were the main reason the PA, NOT endo doc wanted me off TRT for awhile to see how all my levels would level out at after 90 days. My protocal for TRT was 100 mg's test cyp EW. RBC's at the time weren't all that high. Last BW showed them at 6.00 with reference range of 4.4-5.9. Prior to that they were at 6.2. This current BW showed them at 5.3, same reference range. My estrodiol results aren't back but will be in the next few days but you can see the other levels tested in the attached image. Just wanting thoughts from you guys of how my system appears to be doing?

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**USMCSS** · 09-05-2015, 11:15 AM

Bump

**jwh7699** · 09-05-2015, 12:21 PM

Your RBC's are a little high as you already know. You can stop by a blood bank and donate a pint and that will bring the numbers down a little.

Like the guys mentioned before you don't want to bring your E too low because that will make things worse.

Stress can make you feel fatigued to on top of everything else. Try some alternative exercise, like swimming which is more relaxing, twice a week.

In the future, if I were you, I would go to a blood bank the day before doing BW for the VA and donate a pint to avoid all the extra BS.

I go through the VA too for my Test.

**USMCSS** · 09-05-2015, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by jwh7699

Your RBC's are a little high as you already know. You can stop by a blood bank and donate a pint and that will bring the numbers down a little.

Like the guys mentioned before you don't want to bring your E too low because that will make things worse.

Stress can make you feel fatigued to on top of everything else. Try some alternative exercise, like swimming which is more relaxing, twice a week.

In the future, if I were you, I would go to a blood bank the day before doing BW for the VA and donate a pint to avoid all the extra BS.

I go through the VA too for my Test.

Well they're not high at the moment as you can see from my BW results but I wonder if they were a little high from the TRT or the fact that I had just moved from an elevation of 7000 ft and my body hadn't fully adjusted yet.

I already swim 3 days a week and have a pretty stress free life so that's not a real issue for me.

**jwh7699** · 09-05-2015, 01:18 PM

The elevation adjustment makes total sense.

**USMCSS** · 09-05-2015, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by jwh7699

The elevation adjustment makes total sense.

Not to that dumbass NON endo PA it didn't. What VA do you go to? I'm at the Phoenix one.

**jwh7699** · 09-05-2015, 04:42 PM

Orlando

**USMCSS** · 09-07-2015, 12:48 PM

UPDATE:

The estrodiol results came back and it's pretty low at 10 with a reference range of 10-44.

**jwh7699** · 09-07-2015, 03:06 PM

That's not good. You're totally off of everything still?

**USMCSS** · 09-07-2015, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by jwh7699

That's not good. You're totally off of everything still?

Ya bro, been off everything since 7/12 and my next follow up appointment isn't until 10/13. They wanted to see how my system levels out over 3 months

**jwh7699** · 09-07-2015, 04:49 PM

I would try to make an appointment to get in there and see them sooner. Bring the blood work you had done. It's been almost two months.

**USMCSS** · 09-07-2015, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by jwh7699

I would try to make an appointment to get in there and see them sooner. Bring the blood work you had done. It's been almost two months.

It's the VA, they have it in their system. Going to see my PCP in morning and will see what he says. How long should it take for my levels to level out and at age 40, what should my estradiol be at ideally?