30 Days on Clomid Bloodwork Results / TRT Prescribed

[xLoganx]

Guys,

Wanted to get some feedback.. before everyone jumps my butt and tells me that being on Clomid is not TRT.. I get that already! From what I understand, Clomid works by blocking estrogen at the pituitary. The pituitary sees less estrogen, and makes more LH. More LH means that the Leydig cells in the testis make more testosterone. So from what my TRT doctor told me in my initial consultation was that he wanted to put me on Clomid for 30 days, to see if my pituitary gland is functioning properly and how to start treatment.

I wanted to show the results of the bloodwork that just came in today for being on 25mg/day Clomid and DHEA for 30days. You'll notice some gaps in the chart, but that just means it was the only panels I was screened for on that lab.



Obviously I feel better.. a lot better! I had no idea that just being on Clomid can do that. I have a follow-up in 2 weeks with Dr. Saya and I am hoping that we start a treatment plan to get me in 900-1000 range. Is that a realistic expectation? What I am hoping is that he just doesn't keep me on the Clomid and call it TRT?? What are you guys thoughts about this and what is the long term cons on being on Clomid if it comes up?

Cheers!

[kelkel]

Nothing wrong with clomid therapy at all, especially for younger men and fertility, etc. It's a proven, viable form of replacement therapy. And Dr. Saya is great. I'm sure you can achieve that range but to be honest, don't worry about TT, use FT as your guide. Congratulations Logan!

Outcomes of clomiphene citrate treatment in young hypogonadal men. - PubMed - NCBI
Clomiphene citrate effects on testosterone/estrogen ratio in male hypogonadism. - PubMed - NCBI
Twenty-five milligrams of clomiphene citrate presents positive effect on treatment of male testosterone deficiency - a prospective study. - PubMed - NCBI

[xLoganx]

Nothing wrong with clomid therapy at all, especially for younger men and fertility, etc. It's a proven, viable form of replacement therapy. And Dr. Saya is great. I'm sure you can achieve that range but to be honest, don't worry about TT, use FT as your guide. Congratulations Logan! Outcomes of clomiphene citrate treatment in young hypogonadal men. - PubMed - NCBI Clomiphene citrate effects on testosterone/estrogen ratio in male hypogonadism. - PubMed - NCBI Twenty-five milligrams of clomiphene citrate presents positive effect on treatment of male testosterone deficiency - a prospective study. - PubMed - NCBI

Awesome! Just the type of feedback I was looking for Kelkel!!!

[kelkel]

I have a really good longer study and if I can find it I'll post it as well.

[Simon1972]

Well done. One tablet a day is a lot easier than pining and I'm sure you won't have fluctuations associated with pinning either. .

[xLoganx]

Thanks guys.. again I appreciate it. From looking at the ranges on the LabCorp panel, Free Test range is 6.8-21.5 and I am sitting at 18.6. I am going to venture to say that Dr. Saya will probably opt to just keep me on the Clomid and the DHEA since I appear to be on the upper end of the spectrum. I am ok with that now after hearing from Kelkel and Simon1972 especially and reading the articles that Kelkel posted. After all the goal is to increase levels, which is what we've done so far.

Question: What is the protocol for a basic Blast N Cruise on Clomid therapy? Would it be just your normal cycle (Test-E, HcG, Arimidex) and then instead of running the Clomid and Nolva for PCT just pick back up on the 25mg/day on the Clomid? Or kick start it like a normal cycle calls for 75mg first week, then 50mg for 3 weeks and then drop down to 25mg a day after that?

I'm just wondering at this point. I need to drop some body fat before even considering this and I am also recovering from a Bicep Distal Tendon Repair. So this isn't for at least 3-5 months for me. Thanks again...

[kelkel]

Thanks guys.. again I appreciate it. From looking at the ranges on the LabCorp panel, Free Test range is 6.8-21.5 and I am sitting at 18.6. I am going to venture to say that Dr. Saya will probably opt to just keep me on the Clomid and the DHEA since I appear to be on the upper end of the spectrum. I am ok with that now after hearing from Kelkel and Simon1972 especially and reading the articles that Kelkel posted. After all the goal is to increase levels, which is what we've done so far.

Question: What is the protocol for a basic Blast N Cruise on Clomid therapy? Would it be just your normal cycle (Test-E, HcG, Arimidex) and then instead of running the Clomid and Nolva for PCT just pick back up on the 25mg/day on the Clomid? Or kick start it like a normal cycle calls for 75mg first week, then 50mg for 3 weeks and then drop down to 25mg a day after that?

I'm just wondering at this point. I need to drop some body fat before even considering this and I am also recovering from a Bicep Distal Tendon Repair. So this isn't for at least 3-5 months for me. Thanks again...

You're FT level is great. Leave things alone and be happy. When it comes to initiating a cycle while on clomid, when you start exogenous test your own system will shut down (not immediately) as it recognizes it does not need to produce it anymore. This will render the clomid useless at this point as it will not over-power the exo-T and continue LH production. You will then be shut down like any other cycle. When done I'd probably opt for a brief pct then resume your normal protocol.

[xLoganx]

You're FT level is great. Leave things alone and be happy. When it comes to initiating a cycle while on clomid, when you start exogenous test your own system will shut down (not immediately) as it recognizes it does not need to produce it anymore. This will render the clomid useless at this point as it will not over-power the exo-T and continue LH production. You will then be shut down like any other cycle. When done I'd probably opt for a brief pct then resume your normal protocol.

Got it. Thanks again Kelkel!

[Bjorg89]

What happens when you stop taking clomid?