fear of regret going on HRT/TRT

**Too-$mall** · 11-28-2016, 08:08 PM

My thought process is on the same level as Bonaparte regarding TRT as a lifetime thing. i don't like going off, and i don't like the PCT / recovery process. Muscle Science believes the same thing too; don't go off just lower the test and drop any 19 nor.

does anyone regret going on TRT?

by the way i don't really mind having to pin my test every 3 days. i know that's probably going to be the least of my concerns though. i just don't know what is ahead of me should i decide to go TRT for life. guess i should look into getting a super long ester to go with my medium one.

what do i need to consider in order to make a life changing decision?

I'm 33 and my last natty test level was 640. i went off cycle in September and i'm still not feeling quite right. my next cycle is supposed to be FEB 2017. things are coming back, but screw this process. i want TEST! when i'm off i just want normal high range levels. like 900 - 1000

surely this post does not explain it all. HRT/TRT--The basics (by Tulane University Medical Center)

**Paragon73** · 11-29-2016, 09:21 PM

Your Test production is good; you don't need TRT at all. TRT for those with hypogonadism is a life saver, but it won't do much at all a man with your levels. It sounds like you want to cycle steroids ala blast and cruise, which WILL destroy your ability to produce Test. If you go that route there's no turning back. You're 33 years old. Do you really want to have to take Test (or any med) for the rest of your life?

**Chicagotarsier** · 11-29-2016, 11:29 PM

Hypogonadal here. Lifesaver. If I had 600+ I would not HrT for the life of me.

If you are not willing to pay the PCT gods their time and due.....you might not want to do PEDs.

**hammerheart** · 11-30-2016, 02:07 AM

Originally Posted by Too-$mall

My thought process is on the same level as Bonaparte regarding TRT as a lifetime thing. i don't like going off, and i don't like the PCT / recovery process. Muscle Science believes the same thing too; don't go off just lower the test and drop any 19 nor.

does anyone regret going on TRT?

by the way i don't really mind having to pin my test every 3 days. i know that's probably going to be the least of my concerns though. i just don't know what is ahead of me should i decide to go TRT for life. guess i should look into getting a super long ester to go with my medium one.

what do i need to consider in order to make a life changing decision?

I'm 33 and my last natty test level was 640. i went off cycle in September and i'm still not feeling quite right. my next cycle is supposed to be FEB 2017. things are coming back, but screw this process. i want TEST! when i'm off i just want normal high range levels. like 900 - 1000

surely this post does not explain it all. HRT/TRT--The basics (by Tulane University Medical Center)

You will eventually need TRT anyway, it's just a matter of time. Maybe you will recover just fine the next cycle and many others too but at some point your natural levels will tank, that's my prevision.

**cousinmuscles** · 11-30-2016, 05:40 AM

My test level was 375 before doing steroids at 28 years old. Very low, as if I am 85-100 years old, but can't get HRT...

HRT under a doctors supervision with regular bloods would be acceptable. Self administered sounds risky to me, what if you create imbalances between testosterone and other hormones? What if your underground lab produced hormones are doing things they shouldnt?

After thinking this thoroughly I decided to do cycles with HCG and aromasin on cycle and a proper PCT. My libido is fine without steroids, fine enough that I can't make any more use of it unless I stop eating and only fuck, despite low natural test levels. I would not get sad if I never get kids but one thing I'd want to avoid is ruin my libido/ability to orgasm.

**Chicagotarsier** · 11-30-2016, 06:13 AM

Originally Posted by rnsplg

My test level was 375 before doing steroids at 28 years old. Very low, as if I am 85-100 years old, but can't get HRT...

HRT under a doctors supervision with regular bloods would be acceptable. Self administered sounds risky to me, what if you create imbalances between testosterone and other hormones? What if your underground lab produced hormones are doing things they shouldnt?

After thinking this thoroughly I decided to do cycles with HCG and aromasin on cycle and a proper PCT. My libido is fine without steroids, fine enough that I can't make any more use of it unless I stop eating and only fuck, despite low natural test levels. I would not get sad if I never get kids but one thing I'd want to avoid is ruin my libido/ability to orgasm.

Just like Lipitor....original range and it was barely a concern to 15% of the population for Cholesterol. Now after the Pharma paid to lower the level....It is the most subscribed medicine...that most do not need..in the world. Estimates are 20BILLION a year USD....

But there is no cash in HrT and it usually cures a lot off the symptoms you have of "misdiagnosed" things. It is the great evil to Pharma. I went through dozens of doctors and finally said F it. Listened to the peeps on here and self medicated. If you take steroids...which you do...HrT is simpler than a cycle.

As far as libido...that was why I went to HrT. It did not fix my libido issue. Cialis did.

**hammerheart** · 11-30-2016, 07:11 AM

Originally Posted by Chicagotarsier

If you take steroids...which you do...HrT is simpler than a cycle.

I disagree. It's also more expensive.

BTW my natural levels were 150 and sometimes I feel lucky to have obtained a diagnosis of hypogonadism. Many docs (even endos) don't know how to interpret levels and patient clinical presentation of the problem. In fact, most know little to nothing about the condition at all.

This might sound too liberal, but imo a man should be able to obtain TRT when he wants it.

**cousinmuscles** · 11-30-2016, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by bizzarro

I disagree. It's also more expensive.

BTW my natural levels were 150 and sometimes I feel lucky to have obtained a diagnosis of hypogonadism. Many docs (even endos) don't know how to interpret levels and patient clinical presentation of the problem. In fact, most know little to nothing about the condition at all.

This might sound too liberal, but imo a man should be able to obtain TRT when he wants it.

150 is damn low and the doctor is a retard if they can't understand. I don't think it sounds liberal at all. Anyone should be able to receive a treatment that is beneficial to them. We do know that low test is not healthy.

**Too-$mall** · 11-30-2016, 07:48 PM

i just dont know. i keep turning this over and over in my head. for now i'm not ready to cross over to the dark side.

god damn Bizzaro! that's on point. I think it's called freedom, man.

**600@50** · 12-01-2016, 06:58 AM

Originally Posted by bizzarro

This might sound too liberal, but imo a man should be able to obtain TRT when he wants it.

That's called good medicine. Too many doctors follow just numbers on a lab test with total disregard for how the patient actually feels. Quality of life should be more important than it is in the medical world.

**Too-$mall** · 12-02-2016, 06:11 AM

did you hear PE Trump's rally last night? he mentioned briefly cracking down on corporate greed in the medical industry, and talked at length about the middle class, and freedom of business. AND he's appointing the legend Mad Dog Mattis as Sec Def. i'm pretty this country was founded by business men, entrepreneurs, military leaders, and men of science, not career politicians. just thought i'd mention that because you are talking about quality of life/freedom and such. ALTHOUGH he did also mention cracking down on drugs coming into this country, but i wouldn't be surprised if the man is a fan of testosterone . how else is he going to bang his hot wife into a wheelchair? it's about f_cking time a we had a Marine Corps general as Sec Def. Giving civilians and nobodies from the AF, Army, and Navy that position never made sense to me and bugged me from the get go.

**testytim** · 12-05-2016, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by Too-$mall

did you hear PE Trump's rally last night? he mentioned briefly cracking down on corporate greed in the medical industry, and talked at length about the middle class, and freedom of business. AND he's appointing the legend Mad Dog Mattis as Sec Def. i'm pretty this country was founded by business men, entrepreneurs, military leaders, and men of science, not career politicians. just thought i'd mention that because you are talking about quality of life/freedom and such. ALTHOUGH he did also mention cracking down on drugs coming into this country, but i wouldn't be surprised if the man is a fan of testosterone. how else is he going to bang his hot wife into a wheelchair? it's about f_cking time a we had a Marine Corps general as Sec Def. Giving civilians and nobodies from the AF, Army, and Navy that position never made sense to me and bugged me from the get go.

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