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    nazzareno is offline New Member
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    Red face heres my firstgh cycle, please help fill in blanks

    whats up guys- ok ive read just about every post on the gh threads and this is what ive come up with.
    First i guess you all should know my goal(like just about everyone else )is just to add 10-15 lbs of muscle and burn some fat -BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY MAKE THE GAINS PERMANANT
    i am 31 yrs old i weigh about 178 and have about 10% body fat
    please help with any additional comments on my cycle you may want to add but keep in mind im not trying to look freaky thats why i kept the anabolics relatively light
    ********what i do need to know is how much and when should i use hcg during the cycle to keep my levels up and how much should i use at the conclusion of the anabolics-***********
    WILL THESE GAINS REALLY BE PERMANANT??
    any comments on diet during the hgh only stage??
    THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP AND THE PLEALTH OF INFO YOU GUYS SHARE ON THIS SITE
    heres the gear im working with and unless its very important/benificial, id like to not add anything else to it
    2bottles of deca 300(pets pharm and qv)
    1 bottle of test 300, 1 bottle of 200 mg cyp, 6 mo. hgh , 10,000iu hgh
    the schedule-

    month----hgh------deca 300---cyponate---test 300--hcg-----nolva
    (5on 20ff)
    dec------2iu ed
    jan------2iu ed
    feb------2iu ed-----400mg/7---400mg/7-------------------10m mg e/od

    mar
    wk1-2---2/3iu ed--300mg/5---400mg/5
    wk3+4--2/3iu ed--300mg/5---------------300 mg/5-------10m mg e/od


    april----2/3iu ed--300mg/7----------------300mg/7--------10m mg e/od
    (then pyramid off these two)

    may(pct)
    2/iu ed-------------------------------------------------20mg/d
    +clomid on 21st day 100/50/25=30 days

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    Bro I can't make out what you're trying to do can you put in a format like this

    1-16 test 000mg
    1-16 deca 000mg
    1-16 nolva 000mg

    Bro do not pyramid, the ester dose that for you

    JohnnyB

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    nazzareno is offline New Member
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    ok sorry about that-
    1-8 hgh 2iu/day
    8-14 hgh 2or3iu day, deca 400mg/wk, cyponate 400 mg/wk, 10 mg nolva e/o day
    14-20 hgh 2or3iu/day, deca 400 mg/wk, test 300-(1per week), 10 mg nolva e/o day
    +wk16-18 hcg 500iu/day
    20-24 hgh 2or3iu/day,
    +wk20-22 hcg 500iu/day,nolvadex 20 mg/day
    24-28clomid 100/50/25=4weeks
    my concerns are 2 things
    how exactly to use hcg during anabolic stage as maintenance
    and is it right to do growth for two months alone before anabolics are added
    hope this is better -thanks

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    I don't speak from experience as I am in the middle of my first gh cycle but I was told by alot of bros on here that you have to shoot 4 iu's to see any real gains on gh. 2iu's is ideal for fat loss and other benefits, but not substantial growth.

    Why not do a cycle of test instead? It would be alot cheaper if your goals are only to gain 10 lbs of muscle.

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    nazzareno is offline New Member
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    thats why im doing it with test and deca
    the fat loss and antiaging qualities are a nice attraction the main reson is to make my gains permanant. no pct ive done has truley made my gains stick as much as growth is supposed to. i will be happy to go up to 4iu if its neccassary but as of now im calling it as i go...
    two questions still open if anyone would..-
    ********is it right to do growth alone for 2mos before adding the anabolics?******
    and how do you gage whether 2 3 or 4 iu's is right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nazzareno
    thats why im doing it with test and deca
    the fat loss and antiaging qualities are a nice attraction the main reson is to make my gains permanant. no pct ive done has truley made my gains stick as much as growth is supposed to. i will be happy to go up to 4iu if its neccassary but as of now im calling it as i go...
    two questions still open if anyone would..-
    ********is it right to do growth alone for 2mos before adding the anabolics?******
    and how do you gage whether 2 3 or 4 iu's is right?
    Yes you want to run the growth 9-12 weeks before you run the gear so your igf levels are high enough to make maximum gains. As for the iu dosage that is right, you have to ramp it up slowly to make sure you dont get too many sides. I did and I have had no problem so far other than my arms falling asleep once in awhile...and that has stopped lately.

    As for gains being permanent, nothing is permanant if you stop lifting and eating right. Odd that your cycle gains have all left you though. If you are eating and training right while on and after cycle, you should be keeping a good portion of that. If you are losing everything, something in your formula isn't right.

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    nazzareno is offline New Member
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    thanks for your input ..
    my gains havnt left me completely, i guess im just not yet where i wish to be

    ..............just one last thing -anyone
    2 weeks prior to ending the anabolic stage 500iu ed for 2 weeks , then again 2 weeks later after my last shot of deca , another 2 weeks at 500iu ed
    is this the correct way to administer hcg - and is it enough-
    and once again THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!

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