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03-24-2005, 07:24 AM #1
Slin PWO year round
Why would it not be ok to use 10iu of fast acting slin PWO year round ??
Everyone on this board seems to say 4 weeeks on, 4 off or 6 weeks on, 4 weeks off ect.
My question is what would be the down sides to taking just 10iu slin PWO, 4 days a week year round ??
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03-24-2005, 09:01 AM #2Associate Member
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bump
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03-24-2005, 09:03 AM #3
Your would cause problems with your natural insulin , I don't know the full mechanics of it, maybe Gear or RB does
JohnnyB
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03-24-2005, 09:15 AM #4
if you saturate your insulin receptors over time they down regulate. this makes you insulin resistant (diabetic). the reason for cycling is to keep this from happening.
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03-24-2005, 09:17 AM #5Associate Member
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But if you did only 4 days a week wouldnt your natural insuline recover the other 3 days
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03-24-2005, 11:40 AM #6
Thats what I was thinking afterall its only 10iu, I would understand becoming insilun resisant shooting slin ED or maby 2-3 times a day witch I have heard of BB doing when bulking. Bump for more info.
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03-24-2005, 11:44 AM #7Associate Member
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yeah bump
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03-24-2005, 01:44 PM #8
no studies have ever been done. the 4 on 4 off is simply a logical approach to make sure nothing bad happens.
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03-24-2005, 04:47 PM #9
Just to let you know the reason started this tread is because I have been using 10iu act rapid slin PWO. With 100g dextrose, 60g whey, 20g creatine and 20g gluatmine, 1 hour later I have 200g cooked chicken and 230g cooked rice. I have been doing this aprox 2 years with the odd week off her and there and have never run into problems. I dont think at such a low dose 10iu PWO 4 days a week would cause much harm.
Is there anyone who also dose this ??
Can anyone tell me why I should not do this ??
Thinking of starting to cycle it if is going to cause me any harm and thanks for your help bros.
If Gear or RB are about there input would be as usual invaluable.
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03-24-2005, 07:54 PM #10Associate Member
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yea bump
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03-24-2005, 11:45 PM #11Associate Member
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mayb ur already diabetic and you just dont kno it... ur regular inso shots mite be keeping you at bay. you should try and stop it for 4 weeks or so and get bak to us...
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03-25-2005, 12:57 AM #12
Everyone is different, so you may be able to run Insulin longer than me without becoming depedant. But then again, everyone has a dead end. I choose not to take Insulin for any longer than 5 weeks in a row simply because I don't want to find my "dead end". Once I do, then my chances of becoming Insulin dependant become extremly high. This is the last thing I want. Surely I can probably run Insulin for a lot longer than I usually do, but like I said, I like to play the game safe because I know it is a fact that long term Insulin use can lead to one to become dependant. How far you push yourself is up to you I suppose.
Another reason why I don't choose to run Insulin with no breaks is because I believe no matter what we do, it's beneficial for our body to get a rest (a change from what we are currently doing). Then once you start doing it again after the break, your body will go through a shock which leads to a reaction. And if you do everything right, your results from a shock will always be greater than results from something your body is used to.
Many people have pushed their limits with Insulin and unfortunately found their dead end. They are the ones that also thought "well I have been using Insulin all year round and it has not effected me so why not run forever". For your own good, please stick to the general rule we all use.
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03-25-2005, 07:38 AM #13Associate Member
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well said
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03-25-2005, 08:09 AM #14
Well I guess I am a walking experment, I know long term insilun use can cause dependance when used ED for long periods of time, witch I have done also, but would never use this pratice again.
I am still not convinced that 10iu PWO would cause dependance in the long run because your not shooting it ED just PWO 4 days a week, to help shuttle all those PWO nutriets into the muscle PWO.
I would never run slin PWO forever, like I said I take weeks off here and there. Insulin Is a very Anabolic drug and I am trying to find the best way to use it ??
The way I am thinking at the momont is 5-6 weeks on slin and 2 off.
Gear can you explaine what the "dead end" is ??
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03-25-2005, 08:18 AM #15Originally Posted by TDS
I also uesd to run Act rapid ED X 10iu 3 times a day for about 2 years then came off because of a bad back injury and was fine.
Anyway If I was diabetic I would need Insilun ED and allot more than 10iu 4 times a week my good friend.
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03-25-2005, 12:12 PM #16Originally Posted by Big Bapper
Hope that cleared it up for you.
-Gear
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03-25-2005, 03:08 PM #17
Thanks Gear for the info, Still dont think 10iu 4 times a week would cause any harm. But I will Play it safe and cycle it from now on. Big Thanks everyone for your help, it has helped clear a few things up.
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03-25-2005, 03:27 PM #18
I'm using slin 3 times a week pwo only for 12 weeks at 10ius. I consider this a safe way to run it.
I know Mallet is running 10ius 2x per day (both pwo) for 8 weeks. He's also running GH, though, so 2x per day dosing makes sence, I just don't know about going that long without a break.
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03-25-2005, 04:15 PM #19Originally Posted by joevette
I am also running 4iu GH ED and nearly 3G AS EW as part of a bulker.
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03-25-2005, 04:30 PM #20Junior Member
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Maybe I missed this, just curious, do you ever check fasting glucose levels in the morning when you wake up?
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03-25-2005, 10:15 PM #21Originally Posted by Big Bapper
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03-25-2005, 10:41 PM #22
It's hard to say how many times p/week is safe to use Insulin long term.
-Gear
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03-26-2005, 01:57 AM #23
If you are planning on running it only 4 times a week, that is almost time on=time off, at the end of each week, just a one day difference. I dont see any harm in it, I would maybe take a week off here and there, but other that that, you are basically using the same principle as the genereal rule of thumd 4 wks on=4 weeks off, which is the same as time on=time off, which is basically what you would be doing with 4 days use/week.
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03-26-2005, 06:04 AM #24Originally Posted by spound
Has anyone else got any views on this ??
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03-26-2005, 06:06 AM #25Originally Posted by joevette
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03-26-2005, 06:13 AM #26Originally Posted by Mach1
I can check them in the morning and let you know if you think it will help !!
One think I do no is that I am not Diabetic if thats what your getting at, because I am on AS pretty much year round and get blood work and all other checks eveery 3 months and thats one thing they check for.
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03-26-2005, 09:19 AM #27Originally Posted by Big Bapper
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03-26-2005, 11:56 AM #28
Sorry was in a rush when reading.
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03-26-2005, 01:45 PM #29
The way you become dependant is when your body starts to rely on the excess Insulin , and not the natural produced Insulin. So, my theory is to run Insulin every 3rd day. This way you are giving your body enough time to produce and rely on the naturaly produced Insulin before reciving the excess Insulin. That is probably the best way to run Insulin long term. ED or EOD long term Insulin doses can lead to your body to become dependant simply because you are not allowing your body to rely on the natural produced Insulin for long enough.
-Gear
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03-26-2005, 02:02 PM #30Originally Posted by Gear
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03-26-2005, 02:42 PM #31
I think the point here is that insulin dependency isnt something to screw around with. What works has already been defined and its not a good idea to tool around and see what else works.
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03-26-2005, 02:55 PM #32Originally Posted by wilthepill123
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03-26-2005, 04:46 PM #33Originally Posted by Gear
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03-26-2005, 06:46 PM #34Associate Member
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Originally Posted by sin
Then are you saying that you can only become dependent on insuline if you shoot mulitple shots per day. In effect flooding your body with insulin and not requiring the body to produce it own. This over a long period of time would shut down the pancrease?
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03-26-2005, 08:13 PM #35Originally Posted by sin
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03-26-2005, 10:55 PM #36Originally Posted by simster1
nobody knows how often you would have to shoot to effect the receptors. everyone is different and there is no magic answer. the only good way is the logical and safe way. it would not shut down the release from the pancreas, because there is no feedback loop.
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03-26-2005, 10:57 PM #37Originally Posted by spound
hey, glad i could be of some help. this info is strictly from the brain, ive been working on an advanced degree in pharmacology for a few years now and am simply fascinated with how all of these things fit into bodybuilding.
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03-26-2005, 11:01 PM #38Originally Posted by sin
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03-26-2005, 11:18 PM #39Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by spoundLast edited by aXe Leatherdaddy; 03-26-2005 at 11:22 PM.
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03-26-2005, 11:21 PM #40Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by sin
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