04-27-2005, 11:44 AM #1
aint gaining anything on slin, whats wrong?!
I'm doing slin for the first time. I have done 4 pwo shots with humalog now. the first with 2iu then 5, 7 and yesterday 10iu. (sub-q in the stomach)
I haven't really felt anything special after any of the shots. First and second shot i drank a carb mix drink with 55g carbs and then 15 minutes later 40g whey, then after an hour ate chicken breast and pasta. Third and fourth time I tried ingesting my usual mega mass 4000 shake. with about 100g carbs and 30g whey and some vitamins. then sipped on some plain dextrose in water afterwards since I felt pretty hungry about 10mins after the megamass shake. 1 hour later I had chicken breast and pasta again.
I'm still stuck at 242 lbs. I'm alslo on 500g test e and 500mg deca ew witch I thought would be nice to get the most out of slin.
I got to 242 when I did 75mg adrol ed along with 500 test e. 4weeks ago then went off adrol and fonrloaded in the deca 2 weeks ago and now 1 week ago started slin(totaly 3 weeks gone since I dropped the adrol). I really expected to gain weight pretty fast and steady while on slin but so long I'm quite dissapointed. Am I doing something wrong here ?? I almost feel I dont react on the slin, and I'm sure it's 100% legit I'm using an Lilly Humalog pen.
stats is 242lbs, 5-10", around 12-14%bf
any advice appricated!
04-27-2005, 12:32 PM #2
slin is over rated..dont exspect miracles bro..its good for fullness and maybe 5lbs..not much more then that..esp after only 4 days..patience and consistency is the key
04-27-2005, 01:19 PM #3
you better inject slin i.m. this would reduce the on set time by half, so youre muscles benefit faster the nutrient push from the slin.
04-27-2005, 01:21 PM #4
How long have you been on your AAS, once those kick in your slin should start being a bit more effective. Patience is key.
04-27-2005, 04:08 PM #5Associate Member
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Give it the full month. You said "I haven't really felt anything special after any of the shots". Well don't expect to feel anything. The only feeling you might EVER get is the feeling of hypo. I say it give the full month then see how you like it.
04-27-2005, 04:33 PM #6Originally Posted by diskey
04-27-2005, 04:47 PM #7
thx for the replies. hm okey but I've heard taking it IM will rush it very fast and the peaking point can be hard to predict.
I thought I at last could add like 10lbs with slin, I talked to one local elite bb and he said when he stagnated on aas (at about 1,5gew) around 230lbs -cut, he added slin and gh and and got up 40lbs in one winter bulk season. I've heard other stories about great gains also..but I've have'nt gained nothing yet
also is it ok to take a mega mass shake with the slin and then the usual dinner after 1 hour?
and also should I stop at 10iu ?
04-27-2005, 05:36 PM #8
04-27-2005, 07:25 PM #9Originally Posted by diskey
Shoot IM, a lot more consistant.
04-27-2005, 09:34 PM #10Originally Posted by Mr. Sparkle
04-27-2005, 10:13 PM #11
Slin needs to be shot IM...... GH subc-
Bioavailability for GH
IV = 100%
Subc = 75%
IM = 63%
Distribution IV = .07L/kg
IV = t1/2 of .36hrs
Subc = t1/2 of 3.8hrs
IM = t1/2 of 4.9hrs
*longer half live of Sub and IM due to slower absorbtion.
04-28-2005, 10:17 AM #12Originally Posted by MMA
I really want to get up 10 more pounds before I start dieting this spring, and I feel I should have progress now since I took a break two weeks between adrol and slin with easy training. Could I add something more except gh to get to my goal about 250lbs..perhaps I should had an androgen into to the mix or something?
04-28-2005, 11:18 AM #13Originally Posted by diskey
regardless of how much you frontload your deca, the ester it is in prevents ANY of it from manifesting in your system whatsoever for 1-2 weeks.
if size is your primary goal, just add dbol . personally, i would just drop $200 and add a month of IGF1, which would make a dramatic impact on your physique.
04-28-2005, 12:44 PM #14
I'm up 15lbs in 7 days on GH/Slin/T3...going PWO with 4iu's GH, and 10iu's slin with 50mcgs/day t3. My Pwo and PPWO are as follows though:
first shake: 60g pro/ 120g dex (within 15min)
second shake: 40g pro/ 76g dex/ 12g creatine/ 5g glutamine (1hour 15min)
third is a normal meal pro/carb/fat (2.5 hours)
I am so full and freaky and pumped that i'm taking a day off before my muscles tear through my skin. GH and slin should be taken as close together as possible to take advantage of the anabolic effects (synergy) also taking GH as close to 8:00am and or 2:00pm when cortisol is at it's highest peek is best as well, this also may not effect your nocturnal release.
Definately be patient because you started with only 2iu's then 5iu's etc...you haven't really taken full advantage of the disposal properties of insulin yet. It will come. I'm also going 8 weeks straight this time with GH/SLIN/T3 with one day off a week.
04-28-2005, 01:14 PM #15Member
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The way you are using it now is great for LBM gains but these come a lot slower. You cant expect to gain 10 pound of muscle with 4 weeks slin use if you increase your carb intake a little post workout you might add a little bodyfat but also increase glycogen stores in the muscle.
If you look at mallets diet for example you will see that his carb intake is a little higher than recommended giving that some p[eople use as little as 6-7g of carbs per IU.
04-28-2005, 05:02 PM #16Originally Posted by j martini
04-29-2005, 10:17 PM #17Associate Member
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Do you have any pictures posted? Thanks.
04-30-2005, 05:24 AM #18
im on roids, growth hormone and igf pwo and when i use slim pwo with this i usually put on 4-5lbs a week. ive gained so much muscle and weight off slin in the last year then i ever gained before. i only wish i found about slin 4 years ago
05-01-2005, 08:48 AM #19
What you are experiencing is very common, and I have to agree with devldog about insulin being overrated. I think people get it mixed up with other drugs we use in terms of growth and strength. It is very different to AAS, HGH and IGF and just because it is in the HGH section along with IGF too, it doesn't mean it is a wonder drug.
Anyhow, insulins main purpose is to shuttle "more" nutrients into cells "faster" and "easier". These advantages can lead to weight/strength gain "over a period of time", and we all know it is not that easy to gain weight just from nutrients being shuttled into cells (just like eating alot).
05-01-2005, 10:34 AM #20
hmm perhaps. I always got the impression that to get to 270-280 lbs from an plateuing 230-240 with only aas, you add gh+slin.
Yesterday I shot the humalog (10iu) right into my right bicep, since you said IM is best. Well at least I can say it was a different experience, felt dissy 10 sec. after the shot. Had been almost 2 hours in the gym with high intensity so I was really depleted. I shoke down the megamass shake and about 15 min later I had to start sipping fruit juice to stay sharp. I had to eat dinner at at friend's house, it was potatoes and fish. He had fried the fish with butter, so perhaps i got like 15-20g fat from that, and then I went a little hypo again I think because the fat slowed down the absorbtion.
Also perhaps I dont gaing almost any weight now because I''ve really tried to add as much weight as possible this winter. Got from 205 in Oct. 04 to now 245 with an bf increase of max 5%. Maybe my body needs some rest to add more weight I don't know, I read everywhere the pros says you can't except to gain 20lbs lean mass every year if your have been lifting some years.
05-02-2005, 05:21 AM #21
10 seconds post injection is way to early for insulin to start acting, so the dizzyness you had experienced must have been from something else. Sometime when I have my injection immidietly post workout, I get dizzy and shakey also. I assume this must be because I have been working out so hard so my BG would already be low.
The fried fish for dinner while insulin is active is a big no no, but I am sure you wont be having that kind of dinner every time. One dinner with a fair amount of fat intake wont make much differnece, but if I wouldn't keep on having that much fat while slin is active as you BF % may increase over time.
Yes your body does need rest. You can't keep on pushing it to gain weight. You must give it a rest, then shock it. That way, the chances of weight gain are much higher.
Good luck next time.
05-03-2005, 04:06 AM #22
just a few things I hope someone here can clear up for me..
I'm just wondering why should you take the protein 15min after the carbs whit slin, and why 70-80g prot - can your body use so much at the same time ?
and when you shoot IM, should you just cut the duration of slin in half? and should the carbs be taken immideatly after the shot, 5 mins later or what?
05-03-2005, 04:57 AM #23
Diskey, there is no problem with taking dex and protein together. As a matter of fact, that is what most people do, they have dex and protein immidietly post training. However, there is a problem with taking glutamine and protein together, and I think that's what you meant.
The reason why you seperate your protein and glutamine cunsumption by about 15 min apart is because your protein shake already has glutamine it. So, taking the glutamine we take on its own with your protein shake at the same time can lead to absprption issues because the glutamine from the protein can fight the glutamine you consune on its own, and that is what can lead to absorption issues. So, we seperate the two.
When you use insulin , your body can absorb more nutrients than usual. So that is why we recomend to take advantage of that by consuming a little bit more protein than usual, (about 70 - 80g PWO). This is a great advantage.
IM onset and life duration times are about half of Sub-Q times.
You may have your dex immidietly post injection, or you can wait 5 min later. I have mine immidietly because as soon as you finish training, your body is starving for nutrients, so why let it starve for that extra 5 minutes? Anyway, that is what I do, and many other have their dex 5 min post injection which also works well.
Hope that cleared up your queries.
05-03-2005, 12:42 PM #24
there's not to much I can say here that the vets said already. What I can say is that slin works no doubt if you use it right and stay consistant. I been using slin for years. It is the most anabolic chemical I could possibly use and I can tell a difference when im on or off for a while.
05-04-2005, 10:05 AM #25Associate Member
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Do they make slin pins with a longer stick on them so you can go IM or are you guys just sticking in a place with little bodyfat..?
05-04-2005, 06:19 PM #26Originally Posted by hatchblack
05-05-2005, 04:34 AM #27Originally Posted by hatchblack
05-05-2005, 10:06 AM #28Associate Member
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Thanks for the clarification.
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