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    IGFLR3 - Sub-q or IM?

    What do you guys prefer for your IGF injections. An explanation and some scientific evidence on what you feel is better would be great too.

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    I always go IM. The highest concentration of IGF receptors are in muscle tissue. IGF1 receptors are also upregulated in muscle tissue in response to reistance training, so IM pwo is the only way to go IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j martini
    I always go IM. The highest concentration of IGF receptors are in muscle tissue. IGF1 receptors are also upregulated in muscle tissue in response to reistance training, so IM pwo is the only way to go IMO.
    Thats pretty much what Ive read everywhere..I don't think you will have alot of Sub-Q IGF-1 users on this site..But tou never know..

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    Quote Originally Posted by KINGKONG
    Thats pretty much what Ive read everywhere..I don't think you will have alot of Sub-Q IGF-1 users on this site..But tou never know..
    I believe the opposite to be true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluethunder
    I believe the opposite to be true.
    Why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluethunder
    I believe the opposite to be true.
    Good!!!Iam sick of sticking myself IM everyday..I thought thats the only way...

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    i went numb all over my belly/chest from the ba content of the igf. very large area, and it was growing for about 2 months, and didnt fully go away for 4 months after it began

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    Quote Originally Posted by marlin444
    i went numb all over my belly/chest from the ba content of the igf. very large area, and it was growing for about 2 months, and didnt fully go away for 4 months after it began

    Could you give a detailed version of your story. How were you injecting, etc?... I plan on starting my IGF today and would hate for that to happen to me.

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    Yea some good stuff here guys. Im starting in a week or two and im just tryin to figure out how I want to inject.

    Is IM better PWO than sub-q?

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    Quote Originally Posted by j martini
    Why?
    It's easier and for local fat loss that many claim to get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluethunder
    It's easier and for local fat loss that many claim to get.
    It would be easier but dosen't IGF-1 have a better muscle building effect if shot IM...

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    Sub-q leaves a nasty burn, I tried it once and that was enough for me

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyB
    Sub-q leaves a nasty burn, I tried it once and that was enough for me

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    But it is as effective for muscle growth etc.... with a sub Q shot versus an IM shot...

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    Quote Originally Posted by KINGKONG
    But it is as effective for muscle growth etc.... with a sub Q shot versus an IM shot...

    Could we possibly get one of the vets to answer this question?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyB
    Sub-q leaves a nasty burn, I tried it once and that was enough for me

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    what was it suspended in? sterile hcl wasnt too bad in my exp

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    Quote Originally Posted by KINGKONG
    But it is as effective for muscle growth etc.... with a sub Q shot versus an IM shot...

    Honestly not trying to be rude, but the topic is IM or Sub-Q? Could someone who knows the answer to this question please post the answer?

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    i believe IM is what im gonna do.

    now should i shoot in the muscle i just worked out? if it doesnt matter then i will probably shoot into the abs, but if its better then ill just shoot PWO into the muscle worked.

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    i always shoot it im in the bicep,i think thats the easyest and it looks like i got some site enhencement from it.

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    IM but i take sq sometimes also

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    An old post by einstein, i know he was a scammer but he did know his stuff.

    There are IGF-1 receprors all over the place. You are, I'm assuming, taking IGF-1 to increase lean mass.You have a huge concentration of IGF receptors on your intestinal epithelia. If you go subQ, the IGF becomes systemic via your vascular system and will bind to receptors all over and cause growth (oversimplified). Lots will bind to IGF receptors on muscle, which is good. Some will bind to intestinal receptors or receptors on your spleen, which isn't what you're looking for. Going IM just focuses things and reduces possible adverse effects. This doesn't mean you'll get growth gut if you shoot subQ, but at high doses and over time, it will increase your chances.

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    There has also being studies done that showed igf entered muscles less efficiently when injected subq i would guess that this is down to an increased amount throughout your entire body.
    IM into the muscle just trained is the only way to go IMO.

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    I'm doing IM. It's awesome stabbing myself into a pumped up muscle. Biceps are the best! I love this stuff!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 956Vette
    what was it suspended in? sterile hcl wasnt too bad in my exp
    BA

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    so you take two shots after each workout? say, one for each tricep?

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    That's what I do.
    Quote Originally Posted by LB55blitz
    so you take two shots after each workout? say, one for each tricep?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LB55blitz
    so you take two shots after each workout? say, one for each tricep?
    exactly

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    Quote Originally Posted by j.r.w.
    Could you give a detailed version of your story. How were you injecting, etc?... I plan on starting my IGF today and would hate for that to happen to me.
    i had a 1mg bottle of igf, omega labs... i i drew out 40mcg, or 4ius i believe, and then filled the rest up with bw to cut the ba. i did this for about a week with no problems. sometimes a little burn, but nothing a man with balls cant handle. but then the next day one of the burning spots got really itchy. then the next day it was itchy and numb. the spot spread from the injection sight, to mty my lower pecs, over my belly button, and about 6 inches from my hip. itch, numb fealing. i continued with IM injections and had no problem.

    doing an im injection with a 29g pin is nothin. i actually think its easier than sub c. injections. you just jab it in, rather than trying to find loose skin to rotate.

    oh yea and blue thunder..... do me a big favor and show me where you read that about it being good for "spot injections" for fat reduction. i dont think it could be possibly true, but ill stay open minded.

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    I fill the syringe with BC water or B-12 then pull in the igf-1 last. That way if anything is lost in the syringe it's not the igf-1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpster
    I fill the syringe with BC water or B-12 then pull in the igf-1 last. That way if anything is lost in the syringe it's not the igf-1.
    I agree in theory with this, and will probably choose to do it as well. But I've heard it said that you potentially introduce small amounts of BW into your IGF vial this way. I really don't know if this could cause an issue of impurity or not, but maybe someone else can help us out on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpster
    I fill the syringe with BC water or B-12 then pull in the igf-1 last. That way if anything is lost in the syringe it's not the igf-1.

    Thats the same thing I do as well. But one thing I thought about is the weight of the IGF versus the solvent used. If the IGF weighs more it would only make sense that it would travel to the bottom of the syringe and the solvent would actually be on top. Just something to ponder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j.r.w.
    Thats the same thing I do as well. But one thing I thought about is the weight of the IGF versus the solvent used. If the IGF weighs more it would only make sense that it would travel to the bottom of the syringe and the solvent would actually be on top. Just something to ponder.
    You can clearly look at it and see that isn't happening. The B-12 is red and the IGF-1 is thicker and clear; it never moves. Even with BC water you see the difference.

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