05-13-2005, 12:49 PM #1
HGH question - To do or not to do?
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Got a question for you HGH people here.
After spending a couple of days reading as much as I could about HGH, I got to the conclusion that the sides I was scared of (acromegaly, for instance) are not caused by the hormone, but are in fact a result from a preexisting condition...
I have done two AAS cycles before (basically test/EQ/Var) and even though I got great results from these cycles (specially the 1st one; I was way too conservative during the 2nd), I think I found out I am prone to MPB and that is a big drawback for me in using AAS. I plan on keeping my hair. And of course, another BIG reason in favor of HGH here.
With all that in mind, I am looking for a very mild cycle... Maybe 6 months, 2 iu a day, 5 on/2off, and see what happens, see how I react to it.
I have been cutting for 10 months now, and my average BF % is 6%. I am also looking for something that would allow me to keep my BF% while introducing lean mass... Again, HGH seems to be the perfect candidate...
I am 29 years old, definitely a hard gainer (if there is such thing.)
SO what you guys think?
Would really love to hear some opinions... It is almost like HGH is this "next level" hormone, like you're moving into some kind of dangerous zone but after reading about it, if taken responsibly and sensibly, it is very mild.
I almost forgot... I plan on adding some AAS (Test probably) towards the end of the cycle... Also, is insulin a necessity? I would have no problem getting my hands on some since my gf is diabetic! But I want to keep things as simple as possible, I've read threads of HGH only cycles that worked out great, so...
05-13-2005, 01:17 PM #2
Sounds good to me. I would run a few cycles of test within that 6 month GH run.
Forget Insulin . Go with IGF-1 first. Do all three. 2IU's of GH, 40mcg IGf-1, and Test. Can't go wrong there! Get Big, Lean and some new muscles cells. Life is good!
05-13-2005, 01:20 PM #3
Should I wait a little before adding the tesT?
Also does exogenous GH stop your natural GH production? If so, is there any PCT needed?
05-13-2005, 02:16 PM #4Originally Posted by Phyll
05-13-2005, 05:33 PM #5
I see. is there any pct required to bring the normal production back up to speed?
05-13-2005, 06:19 PM #6
Of course for the Test, unless you never come off, like me!
Originally Posted by Phyll
05-13-2005, 06:47 PM #7
as long as you stay at 5on/2off, the 2 days will help refresh your natural GH and you wont have to worry about it shutting down, IMO no need for any pct for GH at that rate, but you will need one for test of course
05-13-2005, 08:36 PM #8
I was referring to the gh, I know the deal w/ PCT from test already...
Also how are the gains from GH? Are they really "permanent" as some people claim (the new muscle cells it generates, for instance) or should I expect the same post-cycle "shrinking" from AAS?
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05-13-2005, 10:57 PM #9Originally Posted by alo5603
GH is very different from AS. suppression is apparently just not a problem - production returns to normal within 48 hours, even after a 2 year study.
however, increasing GH tolerance is a much bigger problem than we thought. after 2 years of ED injection, levels of gh and igf1 quickly returned to normal. unfortunately, the subjects bodies had become almost completely resistant to the GH in their bodies, and did not fully recover for a YEAR AND A HALF.
they were able to eliminate this problem by going to EOD injections, and the subjects became responsive to GH again quickly after treatment was discontinued.
however, both programs showed great results year 1, weaker results year 2, and very weak results after that. so even EOD dosing still builds up GH resistance while you're on it.
if EOD still has resistance problems, 5/2 is probably worse
hooker has the graphs in the educational threads.
05-13-2005, 11:27 PM #10
sounds like bad news,i always thought that hgh use was relativly safe and simple cause of no need for pct etc.
like to know more about this.
05-15-2005, 08:22 PM #11
me too, I didn't know that; isn't the resistance dose-related though? For instance, if somebody is taking 4iu ED for 2 years while his normal production is around 1 iu daily, there could be some issues when the cycle is over... Could this be the source of the resitance MMA is referring to?
Last edited by Phyll; 05-15-2005 at 08:25 PM.
05-15-2005, 09:22 PM #12
It looks like if one was to do a 6 month GH cycle he/she would be better off taking it EOD... right?
05-16-2005, 01:45 AM #13Originally Posted by Phyll
05-16-2005, 01:48 AM #14Originally Posted by Phyll
05-16-2005, 01:59 AM #15Originally Posted by rodge nl.
EOD was slightly less powerful, but you recovered from the resistance almost immediately. after 2 years of ED, it took the a YEAR AND A HALF to regain normal sensitivity to GH/igf.
the scariest part of the study is that both injection patterns accumulated resistance of the course of years. there were noticeably fewer results year 2, and the researchers said they didn't bother doing gh therapy after 2 years because the effects were so weak.
this could easily sneak up on a lot of athletes who just think they're getting old.
we all thought "longer was better" with gh. i was about to go on a gh cycle for the rest of my life. now i really have to rethink this. year on, year off?
and non pulsing treatments like igf1lr3 are supposed to be worse for resistance than ED gh. that 5 week limit for lr3 could just be the gh resistance kicking in, only it takes 5 weeks instead of 2 years.
05-16-2005, 02:01 AM #16
6 months to a year EOD should have no resistance issues.
05-16-2005, 03:36 AM #17Originally Posted by MMA
so whats you're opinion on 4 weeks on/4 weeks off with lr3 at say 50 mcg 5on/2off?
would that have similar effects or could this be more beneficial in the long run?
and what if combined with 2iu of hgh 5on/2off?
sorry for al the questions but its starting to get bit confusing for me.
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05-16-2005, 07:11 AM #19
This whole resistance biz is freakin scary... Anybody here has done a 6 month cycle EOD? Also, how would you know if you built resistance when the cycle is over? I mean, are there any physical/physiological signs?
05-16-2005, 07:11 AM #20Originally Posted by Osiris
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05-16-2005, 10:16 AM #22Originally Posted by rodge nl.
no resistance indicated the first year, and EOD allowed you to recover from the resistance very quickly. the results from ED were downright scary. maybe 5/2 would give us most of the benefits of EOD. maybe not. i would lean towards EOD, because i'm planning on going long term, and even EOD has some long term resistance issues, i doubt 5/2 would be better.
6 months to a year of EOD would still have great results with very little resistance.
hooker was theorizing about going EOD wth the igf1lr3, because it worked so well with GH. 2 gh injections during the igf1lr3 period of effect, then a day off for both still theory tho.
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