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08-28-2005, 01:03 PM #1
2 weeks away from 1st l3 IGF-1 cycle
Please help me put this together correctly.
I'll be using Omega (2mls) + prop (20mls)
I'm thinking 60mcgs PWO, 60mcgs AM on non WO days.
75-100mgs test prop ed.
Should I do less l3? 40-50mcgs ed?
What are your suggestions Rodge, Johnny, etc? This is brand new to me so I need your expert guidance, thanks.
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08-28-2005, 02:11 PM #2
i would go with 50mcg,you can always up it in future cycles.
-rodge
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08-28-2005, 02:41 PM #3Originally Posted by rodge nl.
One thing I'd like to point out.You'll hear alot of ppl saying you have to eat alot of carbs.That's not exactly true.I check my BG(blood glucose)levels when running LR3 IGF-1.To keep it simple,I'll explain.Directly after workout you'll have your typical 80g dextrose/40g whey shake.Then 15 minutes later you take your IGF shot.You get that initial spike,then it starts to decline over the next 2 hrs.So 1hr after taking your shot,you have a solid meal of protein/carbs.You should be good to go after this second meal.No need to continually ingest carbs.You'll get fat.By your second meal,you BG level will be in the low 80's(depending on amount of carbs you consumed for the solid meal).This is a good level to be at.About 3 1/2 hrs later your BG level should be around 75ish.So I really don't see where all the amounts of carbs are needed.
Granted,some ppl will have faster metabolisms than others.So a higher carb intake will be needed.My point being is if you want to use IGF to put on lean mass and reduce BF,it's important that you monitor your BG levels.The same as if you were using insulin .
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08-28-2005, 02:59 PM #4Originally Posted by Pinnacle
You bring up a good point about carbs and metabolism. I was going to regulate that with t3 at around 40-60mcgs/day (2-3 squirts of AR t3).
I'm going to buy 5 kits of Jin this winter and do the whole barrage. GH, l3 IGF-1, injectable test + tbol, t3 and maybe slin. I'll be one with Rodge. hehe...
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08-28-2005, 03:09 PM #5Originally Posted by Seattle Junk
I'm on day 5 of 100mcgs.Honestly,I'm going to drop down to 80.I really don't see or feel a big difference between the dose range.80 was nice last time.So I'll run that again.More doesn't seem to be better in this case.
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08-28-2005, 03:17 PM #6Originally Posted by Pinnacle
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08-28-2005, 03:23 PM #7Originally Posted by Seattle Junk
I have a question for you.Since you'll be running around 60 mcgs of T3,will you take the dose all at once?The reason I ask is,liquid T3 has a half life of 2 hrs.So spreading the dose to 3-20 mcgs would be ideal.
I'm curious how your going to run that.I have a ton of T3 around.I might through some in the IGF cycle to see what shakes.
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08-28-2005, 03:29 PM #8
Yeah, I spread the t3 througout the day. I wasn't doing that at first (all morn) but I am now. Blown_SC gave me a lot of help in the t3 area, he's the master. Also don't take t3 too close to bed time, hard to get to sleep. I got some melatonin and it has helped a lot. Now I sleep great again.
After all I've read, I believe t3 while on l3 IGF-1 makes a lot of since. Especially if you're doing slin or spiking your natty slin with dextrose or other carbs. Let's get Rodges take on this.Last edited by Seattle Junk; 08-28-2005 at 03:33 PM.
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08-28-2005, 06:32 PM #9Junior Member
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If you are going to do 50 mcg a day for your first cycle, how long would you run the cycle for 20 days or 40 days?
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08-28-2005, 06:53 PM #10Originally Posted by cubanojoe
2mls Omega lr3 IGF-1
20mls BD test prop
50mcgs ed PWO & AM on non WO days
75mgs test prop ed (26 days total)
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1-5 + 5 days lr3 IGF-1 50mcgs
1-4 test prop (actually 26 days)
4-5 + 5 days PCT w/HCG
5-6 PCT w/clomid + nolva
This is my thoughts on this cycle. I will have about 14 days to PCT with lr3 IGF-1 still going. I'm coming off a semi long run, it'll be close to 5 months at the end of this. I haven't used high amounts just a long run. I was on test e @ 500mgs/week for 12 weeks then I will run this 5 week tbol only cycle at 40mgs ed into this one. I see the lr3 helping me out in PCT. I did 3 weeks of HCG ending a week and a half ago of approx. 1,500ius a week to grow the balls back, it worked.
Rodge, Johnny, Pinnacle....your thoughts?
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08-28-2005, 07:17 PM #11
Ok, I'm off to the gym for a Sunday eve chest/tri blow out. See ya in a few hours...
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08-28-2005, 07:53 PM #12Junior Member
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I think I will run mine ED and if I do not see any sides I will run it for 40 days as that will be 2mgs.
See how it goes, will also lower myt dosage of Jin to 2 IU's before bed and go back to normal after the cycle.
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08-28-2005, 08:18 PM #13Originally Posted by Seattle Junk
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Do you need to use T3 when running R3 IGF? If so what dose do you need to run it at and do you run it for the full length of the IGF cycle?
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08-28-2005, 10:51 PM #15Originally Posted by Pinnacle
Ahhh, that's a good idea on starting lr3 a week after prop for a longer run into PCT. Has lr3 IGF-1 been a good PCT for you? I know my PCT is going to be a little rough since I've been on for awhile. I'm planning on staying off until after the holidays. Then I'll go on the Rodge super cycle of GH, IGF, AAS, t3, etc...
What would be your exact PCT recommendations and what would you add AAS wise in my program. I won't do tren , Winny or any other that will blow the hair off my head. I paid 10K for a hair transplant and it looks good....don't want to lose anymore hair behind the grafts...
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08-30-2005, 03:39 AM #16Originally Posted by Seattle Junk
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08-30-2005, 08:24 AM #17Originally Posted by Seattle Junk
As far as your PCT regimine.You'll have your IGF in there,Nolv and Clomid.I'd def drop the T3 and run Clen instead.I wouldn't run any other anabolics with the cycle.Well,maybe a little Abomb for shitz and giggles.As you know,I'm running bombs in my current IGF cycle.All I can say is "skin bursting pumps".Hard as a rock,and the pump look stays with me all day.
~Pinnacle~
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08-30-2005, 08:28 AM #18Originally Posted by Seattle Junk
-rodge
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08-30-2005, 08:38 AM #19Originally Posted by rodge nl.
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08-30-2005, 09:05 AM #20
so he's gonna run igf at the end of the cycle into pct? if he did such a long cycle i would run it all in pct.
-rodge
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08-30-2005, 12:56 PM #21Originally Posted by rodge nl.
I was hoping to split the lr3 down the middle to get the synergystic treat of test & IGF together. Let's say I run 20 days of lr3 (50mcgs ed) + test prop at 100mgs ed THEN 20 days of lr3 IGF-1 (50mcgs ed) right into PCT with clomid, nolva, trib & tongkat ali? Do I still need to use clomid, nolva, etc with lr3 IGF-1 in PCT or do you just use lr3 IGF-1 ONLY for PCT?
This is great info on IGF and PCT since I've never read a clear answer on this.Last edited by Seattle Junk; 08-30-2005 at 01:02 PM.
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08-30-2005, 01:04 PM #22Originally Posted by Seattle Junk
I'm not Rodge,but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.
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08-30-2005, 01:07 PM #23Originally Posted by Pinnacle
That's good advice on dropping t3 and adding clen, especially when AAS leaves the scene. t3 will catabolize muscle without AAS pushing your towards a positive nitrogen balance.
a-bomb! Yeah baby, I hear ya there....I just can't do it cuz of the DHT factor and hairloss. I paid 10K to get my hair back....no mo baldy for me....hehehe
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08-30-2005, 01:09 PM #24Originally Posted by Pinnacle
HAHAHA! LM fuggen AO! Now that was good......
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08-30-2005, 01:57 PM #25Originally Posted by Seattle Junk
i would rather run it all in pct,next time run another cycle with aas and again in pct.
i would concetrate on a full recovery with maintaining gains made from aas.
-rodge
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So if your running 50 mch a day of R3 IGF-1 , what dose should you be running the T3 at each day?
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08-30-2005, 03:29 PM #27Originally Posted by cubanojoe
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08-30-2005, 03:30 PM #28Originally Posted by rodge nl.
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I am currently on an AAS cycle. But I only want to run t3 if I have to with IGF and what I read on here it seems like you have to. So if I do what does of T3 should I take a day?
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08-30-2005, 04:29 PM #30Originally Posted by cubanojoe
Got it?
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yup, got it. Only 1 problem though, I am currently taking cyp and I am freaking hot all day and night. If I walk up the stairs I start sweating when I am on this stuff. But I will take my temp and see what it is anyways. Should I start with 20 mcg a day?
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08-30-2005, 05:48 PM #32Originally Posted by cubanojoe
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yup, I have the spray 200mcg/ml
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08-30-2005, 06:25 PM #34Originally Posted by cubanojoe
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I guess I should have asked this before, do you have to take T3 when using R3 IGF-1 as I really do not want ot use it right now.
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08-30-2005, 08:54 PM #36Originally Posted by cubanojoe
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Thanks guys for all of your answers, you have cleared things up alot
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08-31-2005, 12:58 AM #38Originally Posted by cubanojoe
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08-31-2005, 07:45 AM #39Originally Posted by Seattle Junk
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09-01-2005, 01:34 AM #40Originally Posted by Pinnacle
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