12-08-2005, 06:05 PM #1
Anyone here use high doses of gh and bi-weekly dosing?
I'm in to my 3rd shot to jintropin right now...Trying it a different way this time,..I use to get painful pumps and carpal tunnel when running the jins at 5 IU's ED. I am using the advice of a couple pro's and running higher doses of gh every 3 days. I'm using 15 IU's every 3 days...Nothing too new yet but I haven't been ont he scale in awhile and I don't have any carpal tunnel going on. Some of the guys usinjg this technique have jumped up 12-16 lbs in 2 weeks while maintaining the rest of their drugs the same. I figured it was worth a shot. I'll see if I can find any literature for you guys...
12-08-2005, 06:15 PM #2
Here's a quote from 1 guy, I won't name names out of respect for his privacy
Every day dose of 2 -4 ius is just like maintaining a little above natural gh levels and it promotes Protien Syn.. and helps with over all health and fat loss..
By useing high dose you get the accellerated effect of GH's magic this is why when its used in aids people and burn patients they use 10-18iu does same as with youger people trying to get taller they use big dose..
Its actualy very simple.. I think the reason most use it ED in low dose is because that what all the baord have been saying for years and most people can not affrord to do more... YOU NEED TO THINK ABOUT STUFF YOU READ! and most people do not and they just follow...
"Prior to the injury I after talking to 2 PROS for awhile on GH use decided to use a high dose twice a week injection schedule. They recommend 15-20 ius injected ~3 days apart.
The only thing I deviated from is the timing of injection. They both recommended 15-20 ius before bed on an empty stoamch per se. I tried GH before bed and didn't like the hyperglycemic effects-in the past.
now in almost 2 years of GH use over the past 3 I had experimented with a variety of doses and administration times....very hard to gauge progress like a double blind study and shit but had settled on an EOD once a day dosing with 6 iu's.
It is my opinion from that and this past experience that GH has a very profound and prolonged physiological effect for SEVERAL days after dosing.
To cut to the chase I did 15 iu's of a sero/jin mix one injection on Monday and one injection on Thursday of the two weeks. This was a total of 30 iu's a week and 60 total.
In the two weeks I gained approximately 16 lbs and yes some was water but a tremendous amount was in the muscle and very little water retention or pain-numbness.
Now unfortunately I tore my patella and quad on a Saturday and last GH shot was on that previous Thursday. I did continue to gain and swell a few pounds in the hospital after the surgery due to the GH, in fact my leg felt so tight I was afraid it would rip the sutures.
I know post surgical swelling is common, but this was different as I boatloaded some Bromelain to reduce swelling and inflammation and got out of the hospital.
12-08-2005, 07:26 PM #3
I know the AIDs patients use 18iu ed, but I'm interested, my runs of HGh at doses up to 4iu was very disappointing
12-08-2005, 08:24 PM #4Originally Posted by ironfist
12-08-2005, 08:42 PM #5Banned
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Very strange method,taking 15iu in one shot,that will be a waste,you have to break it down,4iu max in one shot.Running HGH ED is the best method.
12-08-2005, 09:12 PM #6Originally Posted by ironfist
I have always been a hard gainer and gain weight slowly but progressively. At the rate I gain I'm happy with b/c its retainable. Now for someone to gain 16lbs. in 2 weeks I cant see anymore then just a couple of pounds tops being muscle. Even just a couple of pounds is awesome if its just GH. But there are too many unknown variables, mainly diet and other compounds.
Its too bad an injury occured so close to the end of administration. I'm curious to see what the retention rate was, surely not high.
12-08-2005, 10:57 PM #7Originally Posted by Jayhova16
12-08-2005, 11:25 PM #8Originally Posted by ironfist
Great to see someone knowledgeable trying out a new theory. PLEASE keep us posted Iron. Considering that everything else will remain unaltered, that will make it much easier for us to view attainable results.
12-08-2005, 11:31 PM #9
I also had a top level amateur competitor advise me to take GH in this manner for a period of two weeks. He called it GH blitz cycles, and said not to do it if I was not experienced or felt comfortable with GH. I havent even used GH b/c I decided I am too young and too poor, but I was thinking about it andthis is what he advised in the case that I did actually use it.
12-09-2005, 12:01 AM #10
This is a good theory of yours, but 15-20 iu's of GH in one day is alot, I get sick off of too high dosages of GH, not to mention plan on doing nothing but sleeping for the following day or 2 after you hit all that in one day. I'd say definitely not for the beginner or intermediate level GH user.
12-09-2005, 09:09 AM #11Originally Posted by goose4
This is how I've always thought Goose. I'd run a moderate to high dose (depending on goal) of GH daily consistently timed. But then you hear this...............and dont know what to make of it. If it was a shot in the dark its one thing but when you have people that seem to be higher level BB'ers using it you have to think. Iron said he got this info from a couple of higher level BB'ers. As Spound said he had a top level amateur competitor advise him.
I'm just getting itchy b/c I just finished PCT and timed it so I'd have enough GH to last another 2 months after my cycle ended. So with about 160iu's in front of me, my injection finger is gettin' itchy. I'm going to bump this thread and check on some other boards for more info.
As I stated in post #6 I wouldn't see how this would benefit us, but it wont hurt to research and see what comes up. I"m curious.................
12-09-2005, 09:34 AM #12
Are those doses split up or all in one hit?
12-09-2005, 10:48 AM #13Originally Posted by JohnnyB
Good and critical question
12-09-2005, 12:00 PM #14Originally Posted by JohnnyB
He also said this is the only way to go when you are an experienced GH user and are comfotable with. He said this is the way most of the pros use as well. He trains at golds venice.
12-09-2005, 12:03 PM #15
Here is the first part of his post: BTW, I AM IN NO WAY TAKING CREDIT FOR THESE POSTS, IT DID NOT COME FROM MY KNOWLEDGE< BUT FROM ANOTHER VERY KNOWLEDGABLE MEMBER OF ANOTHER BOARD. If you would like to know who you can PM me, but only if it very necessary please. Thanks
"I saw you posted this on pro muscle as well and no one has responded to either post yet, so I'll try to help you out. I'm assuming that there is no possible way for you to use GH while you are out of town. I'm also assuming that finances are not an issue for you really. Meaning using a few kits now will in no way effect you or hinder you next year. I would run 2 GH baths/blasts. You have time for two blasts before Christmas. Your first would start the first week of November, leaving you off when you are out of town for Thanksgiving. The second will start the first week of December, assuming you will then be back from Thanksgiving, and will leave you off the two weeks you are out of town for Christmas. I think you will find that this will do wonders in keeping your bf in check during the holidays. Albeit, its a very expensive way to go about it, which is why I mentioned finances. Most find that fat loss occurs well beyond the blast period, and most find that they notice the greatest effects after the 2nd blast. Using GH while traveling is a major pain in the ass even if you can swing it, and its not something that I personally want to be focused on, especially while traveling during the holidays. So, if money is not a problem, there is a solution for you. If you are not familiar with this method of GH use LMK and I will elaborate. I'll give a quick example. Basically, you will use 18-20 IU/day for 7-10 days, take off the rest of the month, then at the beginning of the next month, repeat. If you are using Jino for example, you could get away with using 3 kits. 20 IU x 7 days the 1st blast, and 20 IU x 8 days the 2nd blast, or vice versa, you get the picture. Or, you could use 4 kits and run 20IU x 10 days for both blasts. If you are using Sero, you would use 2 kits. You will want to use insulin during this time as well b/c that amount of GH will have you somewhat hyperglycemic more than likely. If you can't afford to run through 3 kits in the next 2 months then just wait. If finances were not an issue, this is what I would do though.
EDIT: DISCLAIMER: I should say that you should obviously be somewhat advanced if you are going to attempt this. I am giving this advice to a pretty decent size guy (240 or so I believe?) who is competitive, meaning that he is not a recreational bodybuilder, and who I also believe has a significant amount of use experience under his belt. If this is not you, you have no business wasting your money."
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12-09-2005, 12:07 PM #16
"There are a lot of guys on pro muscle who run GH blasts. There are a lot more advanced guys on that board than here and it will be a huge resource in your pre-contest prep. Most guys stop their GH 2 weeks out, although some stop 4 weeks out and others stop @ 7-10 days out. So, you will use as large of a dose as you can afford for as long as you can afford it. Honestly though, it sounds to me like the GH expense is going to be somewhat taxing for you financially. If that's the case I would not use it. You may be very disappointed. I have used lots of GH since I first competed as a teen 17 years ago, but I have rarely payed for it out of my own pocket. Come to think about it I don't think I have ever payed for it out of my own pocket. I have always had "sponsors" give it to me, or bought it w/ proceeds from drug sales of some sort. Unless you are making a substantial amount of money in your career (which to me is @ least $200-250k/yr) or you are an older guy (@ least 35 or so) who is using self prescribed GH for anti-aging pruproses, or you are a top national level competitor (in which case you could prob get someone to spring for it anyway), I do not think that you should be wasting your money on GH. The money could be better spent elsewhere, or saved. I just don't see it as something responsible to do financially for a regular Joe. The results are simply not worth the expense in my experience, if you are someone who it is an expense for. Get what I'm saying. I would take like half of the money you were going to spend on GH and just buy more juice, and leave the other half in the bank. Something to think about."
12-09-2005, 12:16 PM #17
On pro muscle MANY pros hang and post on that board.Seems as though if this was common practice,they would have posted and stated there experience.
Because the poster trains at Golds Gym Venice,that makes his statement credible?He knows all the pros personally and thier cycles as well?
Science and research certainly doesn't back this protocol by any means.
I'll ask a retired IFBB competitor about this tonight.We talk about this type thing on occasion.He'll tell me whether it's total BS or not.
12-09-2005, 12:23 PM #18Originally Posted by Pinnacle
12-09-2005, 12:26 PM #19Originally Posted by Pinnacle
12-09-2005, 01:00 PM #20Originally Posted by spound
So basically using Serostim Kits you would use 1 kit a week. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm . This is a little different from Irons initial post of running 15iu every 3 days. But I"m interested.
I would have never thought this would work. There has never been research to back it up. But I do have to say that I have seen this way mentioned more and more. Someone I know ran 1 kit a week of Seronos Serostim for a month. Said it was the best gains he has ever made. He injected the full 18iu's before bed and ran Slin PWO. That's why this thread is important to me. It's something that I thought of after what he said and now its popping up more and more. I was never too serious about it after he ran it b/c he's the type that will do something if just 1 person says it works. But now I"m beginning to think more and more.
This may be something I'm getting myself all worked up for nothing. But it's also something new to look into. Trial and error, trial and error...
Thanks for the input Spound.
12-09-2005, 01:03 PM #21
I know spound..I wasn't directing anything towards you.Please don't think I was.
This just sounds rather far fetched to me.I've seen guys make claims like this in the past,and the end result was it was just a bunch of BS.They usually got called out and made a complete fool of.
12-09-2005, 01:16 PM #22Originally Posted by Pinnacle
As it does to me, but I'm such a dam curious person!!!! I've been on Pubmed all day searching for answers. Other boards will probably just produce the same answers. If I find anything it will be posted.
We shall see.................
12-09-2005, 01:40 PM #23Originally Posted by Jayhova16
12-09-2005, 01:43 PM #24Originally Posted by Pinnacle
Ok cool, sorry about that, I thought you were and I was like WTF? LOL I know your a good bro, I see you around a lot, and you seem to be pretty well educated on these matters (more so than I).
It seemed far fethced to me as well, but I had to consider his post simply b/c of who it was coming from.
12-09-2005, 04:00 PM #25Member
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now to find a sponsor for this test.
don't be shy, and don't everyone jump forward at once.
12-09-2005, 04:03 PM #26Originally Posted by kaorialfred
Check post #1
12-09-2005, 04:25 PM #27Originally Posted by JohnnyB
12-09-2005, 04:31 PM #28Member
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Ironfist deinately keep us up dated. This is a very intresting thread. Now when you say all at once are u using multiple syringes around these areas? So it seems you would have to have help injecting multiple area at the sametime or am I way off.
12-09-2005, 05:11 PM #29Originally Posted by kaorialfred
12-09-2005, 05:12 PM #30Originally Posted by spound
12-10-2005, 02:07 AM #31
looking forward on how results turn out with these kind of experiments.
12-10-2005, 07:17 AM #32
This is all very interesting. I think we need a log here Iron. I might get kinda lumpy if I were to hit that much GH all at once. It's getting harder to pinch skin around my waste to inject once a day.
12-10-2005, 09:09 AM #33Originally Posted by ironfist
louis rea advocate.
12-10-2005, 09:17 AM #34
If someone would sponsers me I would be happy to keep a log of my results
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12-10-2005, 10:15 PM #35
Here's some info on EoD dosing:
Originally Posted by Wetback at *************
12-11-2005, 10:50 AM #36
The problem with that study is that it was done on kids, that still have their growth plates open and the study was for linear growth not muscle growth.
12-11-2005, 12:31 PM #37
Doesnt make sense to me bro, but hey i havent tried so who knows. As for 16 lbs in 2 weeks, ud struggle to do that on 150mg+ drol ed without an anti e on ur first ever cycle!
12-11-2005, 01:20 PM #38
I spoke with a retired IFBB competitor(who trains at my gym),who still is very friendly with many high level guys that are still active.
His answer was "Never heard of anyone doing anything this ridiculous".That comment was followed by laughter.
12-11-2005, 01:34 PM #39Originally Posted by Pinnacle
Well thats good to know.
Whenever I hear of a new approach I try to air out any misconceptions and breakdown the theory. So far I think I'm going to stick with the more mainstream way of adminstration like I have been doing. Although the 3 day split is quite interesting, Hmmmmmmmmm. That hypothesis thread posts 122-126 are getting me thinking.
12-11-2005, 04:11 PM #40Originally Posted by Jayhova16
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