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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcus G View Post

    My age has no correlation to this subject matter. my point is insulin isn't the most anabolic hormone in the body and I'm sick of people saying it is when they have no clue on how it works because if they did they wouldn't be saying it.
    If as you say people have no clue how it works, you have no idea either just by opening such thread, because winning point accross does not change how insulin works for yours, Palumbo's, or Jay Cutlers body.

    Is there a specific person youre trying to educate or prove them wrong or is it just you venting against the world? I just dont see how this debate benefits you or people who know better, different than you and have different genetic makeup than you, Palumbo or Cutler.

    If you really have discovered something so profound why not reach out to some university and suggest to do a study on it? You and population of BB community would benefit greatly of your new findings.

    Besides, you not answeting your age question raises red flag for this whole debate, as I wasnt asking for your age just to tie it to this thread or how irrelevant this thread is to begin with but you just did it all by yourself assuming that I was some how targeting this aspect.

    Why dont you email to some highly ranking pro trainers and ask them about insulin instead of venting here against yourself?

    Hope youre having a good day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghettoboyd View Post
    well you would at least agree that insulin sets up an anabolic environment by "how it works" wouldn't you?...I don't understand though why you are so passionate about getting your point across when most people don't touch the stuff...how are you so sick of hearing "everyone" talk of it when barely anyone ever speaks of insulin...
    Yes I completely agree. It just seams like a lot of people recently have been swearing by it saying it's the most anabolic hormone in the body, I wanted to get opinions form people who actually know what they are talking about hence posting it on forum such as this. I'm always open to admitting that I'm wrong leaning new things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BRUTAL View Post
    If as you say people have no clue how it works, you have no idea either just by opening such thread, because winning point accross does not change how insulin works for yours, Palumbo's, or Jay Cutlers body.

    Is there a specific person youre trying to educate or prove them wrong or is it just you venting against the world? I just dont see how this debate benefits you or people who know better, different than you and have different genetic makeup than you, Palumbo or Cutler.

    If you really have discovered something so profound why not reach out to some university and suggest to do a study on it? You and population of BB community would benefit greatly of your new findings.

    Besides, you not answeting your age question raises red flag for this whole debate, as I wasnt asking for your age just to tie it to this thread or how irrelevant this thread is to begin with but you just did it all by yourself assuming that I was some how targeting this aspect.

    Why dont you email to some highly ranking pro trainers and ask them about insulin instead of venting here against yourself?

    Hope youre having a good day.

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    Then why ask my age? I was opening a debate on inulin being a the most anabolic hormone in the body. It's really that simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcus G View Post
    Then why ask my age? I was opening a debate on inulin being a the most anabolic hormone in the body. It's really that simple.
    then why quote my whole post and respond to no questions in quoted text?

    maybe some people too get tired of young teenagers spamming boards, watching debating with themselves on useless topics, make big thing out of nothing and so on?

    Dont get me wrong, Im up for good piece of info and nice logs, but this...?

    I was asking for your age because I wanted to tie it to your avatar, and was going to ask few more questions but I couldn't have been more wrong.

    People who want really to know how insulin , carbs, dnp , dbol , anadrol , tren test works, they really dig deep in to this shit and take it seriously, research and condense all valuable info found not only on self-induced debate threads like this but on long user logs, scientific studies and based on first to second hand experience, and believe me, where they find things work or not they most likely dont go debating shit about what was what, but those who hesitate to move their ass from keyboard do. Its really that simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BRUTAL View Post
    then why quote my whole post and respond to no questions in quoted text?

    maybe some people too get tired of young teenagers spamming boards, watching debating with themselves on useless topics, make big thing out of nothing and so on?

    Dont get me wrong, Im up for good piece of info and nice logs, but this...?

    I was asking for your age because I wanted to tie it to your avatar, and was going to ask few more questions but I couldn't have been more wrong.

    People who want really to know how insulin, carbs, dnp, dbol, anadrol, tren test works, they really dig deep in to this shit and take it seriously, research and condense all valuable info found not only on self-induced debate threads like this but on long user logs, scientific studies and based on first to second hand experience, and believe me, where they find things work or not they most likely dont go debating shit about what was what, but those who hesitate to move their ass from keyboard do. Its really that simple.
    Assume what you like, I've done years of research not just through books but using compounds on my self such as ad insulin , gh and evern dnp the list goes on. Your missing the thread completely all I asked was does build muscle we know the answer is yes but I was hoping someone who says it's the most anabolic hormone in the body could actually explain why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcus G View Post
    Assume what you like, I've done years of research not just through books but using compounds on my self such as ad insulin, gh and evern dnp the list goes on. Your missing the thread completely all I asked was does build muscle we know the answer is yes but I was hoping someone who says it's the most anabolic hormone in the body could actually explain why.
    how does the question about insulin , especially the thread helps you from being sick hearing everyone preaching a thing about insulin being one or another?

    Thats what I fail to understand

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    Quote Originally Posted by BRUTAL View Post
    how does the question about insulin , especially the thread helps you from being sick hearing everyone preaching a thing about insulin being one or another?

    Thats what I fail to understand
    Again your not understanding what I'm saying people have said it's the most anabolic hormone in the body I just wanted an explanation to how.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcus G View Post
    Again your not understanding what I'm saying people have said it's the most anabolic hormone in the body I just wanted an explanation to how.
    and you said that youre just sick of everyone saying this - just goes to show your reasoning is as heavy as your statement if you fail to explain this.

    You ran all these compounds as you mentioned including insulin but have done zero research and study homework on it if you still need to ask why and how insulin works. Years of research would have brought you to a place where you could bring the statement and not the debate about how insulin works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BRUTAL View Post
    and you said that youre just sick of everyone saying this - just goes to show your reasoning is as heavy as your statement if you fail to explain this.

    You ran all these compounds as you mentioned including insulin but have done zero research and study homework on it if you still need to ask why and how insulin works. Years of research would have brought you to a place where you could bring the statement and not the debate about how insulin works.
    Again I know how it works and helps to buildd muscle. When someone says it's the most anabolic hormone in the body I just wanted an explanation on how and why they think this. simple, you've made this in to such a big thing when it really didn't need to be

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcus G View Post
    Again I know how it works and helps to buildd muscle. When someone says it's the most anabolic hormone in the body I just wanted an explanation on how and why they think this. simple, you've made this in to such a big thing when it really didn't need to be
    I have asked you few questions, it is you who let this roll for "so long", to get "this big", you can blame your ignorance for this, and Im sure you know how it works (and I mean by both, insulin and ignorance).

    I will leave you in this misery of your own to suffer endlessly, and I stay away from this because its just pointless.

    Back to OP's topic

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    But seriously,

    I hear it's the most anabolic hormone there is....



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    That's great thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcus G View Post
    I started the thread to clear up that insulin isn't as anabolic as everybody says it is which then would open up a debate not an argument.
    k, bro, I'll just keep getting big on my insulin . You do you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcus G View Post
    That's great thank you

    It's a little humor in a thread that's become a bit to serious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcus G View Post
    Assume what you like, I've done years of research not just through books but using compounds on my self such as ad insulin, gh and evern dnp the list goes on. Your missing the thread completely all I asked was does build muscle we know the answer is yes but I was hoping someone who says it's the most anabolic hormone in the body could actually explain why.
    When you say you've done "years of research", does that mean you've literally dedicated more than 730 days to just researching compounds, or do you mean like you've done some research here and there over a span of years? Like maybe a day here and a day there and such.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaptainkeezy04 View Post
    When you say you've done "years of research", does that mean you've literally dedicated more than 730 days to just researching compounds, or do you mean like you've done some research here and there over a span of years? Like maybe a day here and a day there and such.
    Yes I've experimented with many things over the past years. I'd stay consistently not every day for example Ive used insulin with AAS then come off for around 4-6 weeks then use it with gh and AAS together to. Compare results. I've changed doses and timing to find out what works best for me. And then I'd move into my next experiment

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    Regardless of whether or not a hormone is considered anabolic your muscle will not grow without a stimulus. I think everyone can agree that testosterone is an anabolic hormone, but I can shoot a gram of test a week, and without a stimulus no muscle will grow. It sound like you're taking Dave palumbo's theories about insulin and claiming there your own, and stating he agrees with you. How can a compound that creates a state of anobolism, and ends a state of catabolism not be anabolic?

    Dave palumbo isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer. Your just another one of those guys that believes everything coming out of these bodybuilders mouths is true. I await your next thread exalting the wisdom of the great rich piano.

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    Saying insulin itself isn't anabolic is a false statement.
    Anabolic means it promotes generation of tissue.
    Insulin does that by inhibiting catabolism (breakdown of proteins, glycogen and fat), and it increases nutrient shuttling.
    This in itself is enough to catagorize it as anabolic.
    But is it muscle building?
    Yes it surely is, and like AAS it would most likely be somewhat muscle building even without any exercise stimulus. That would not only be a huge waste however, it would mean you would gain a lot of fat, get reduced sensitivity to insulin and a lot of other side effects would be magnified 100times.

    As for personal use of slin I've never used it without AAS.
    Both rapid and very long actin slin is perfect for muscle building, but long acting needs a little more attention to diet, or rather, needs the diet to be adjusted for a longer time frame. I've used long acting without and fat gain for a 3weeks to one month, but that's the longest I can cut it. Can't stand the

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    Quote Originally Posted by jstone View Post
    Regardless of whether or not a hormone is considered anabolic your muscle will not grow without a stimulus. I think everyone can agree that testosterone is an anabolic hormone, but I can shoot a gram of test a week, and without a stimulus no muscle will grow. It sound like you're taking Dave palumbo's theories about insulin and claiming there your own, and stating he agrees with you. How can a compound that creates a state of anobolism, and ends a state of catabolism not be anabolic?

    Dave palumbo isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer. Your just another one of those guys that believes everything coming out of these bodybuilders mouths is true. I await your next thread exalting the wisdom of the great rich piano.
    Thanks for your input

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    high carb intake with such a low fat intake for any longer period of time,
    (although I have experimented with increasing fat intake on long acting slin, and it does seem I can eat quite a "lot" of fat without any fat gain.)

    It's also tiring on the body to use insulin , or maybe rather tiring on the psyche.
    It is after all not something to be taken lightly.

    If it wasn't for the discipline needed when using slin, i would use it much more.

    However, there is one side effect I've noticed that you should be aware of:

    Slin seems to temporarily supress the immune system.
    So, using rapid or long acting slin in a period you know others around you have the flu isn't a good idea. That's just speculation on my part, but I seem to notice this. And it's not just because I've run more AAS when using slin, because I don't necessarily do that.
    Wonder if anybody else has that experience too?

    But don't be stupid with this shit!

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    Marcus G: you're arguing semantics and you don't even realize it. Only protein ACTUALLY builds muscle (because this is what muscle is made of), but many hormones are considered anabolic because they encourage the body to build muscle tissue from protein (as well as increase fat stores, which is still technically anabolism). So yes, insulin is highly anabolic.

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    Marcus G: you're arguing semantics and you don't even realize it. Only protein ACTUALLY builds muscle (because this is what muscle is made of), but many hormones are considered anabolic because they encourage the body to build muscle tissue from protein (as well as increase fat stores, which is still technically anabolism). So yes, insulin is highly anabolic.

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    guys, ya'll talking about insulin being anabolic and muscle building hormone going to drive this guy mad, he clearly said how sick he is of everyone cos everybody is keep saying this because they all dont know shit and if they knew, they would not say things like this, because he has his believes, years and years of experience and research and palumbo on his side.

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    As far as semantics goes; insulin is anabolic .
    If you don't realize this you need to go back to the theory on what constitutes an anabolic response.
    Anabolic doesn't even necessarily mean muscle building, but promoting anabolic responses in the body; which is defined as;
    "The creation of larger molecules from several simple molecules"
    Insulins effect of glycogen will in itself constitute an anabolic response.

    So there. Semantic discussion over I hope.

    As for its muscle building potential, let's hear from people who have used it.
    I have, and IMO rate it as very anabolic in muscle tissue.

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    But is it the most muscle building hormone in the body?
    Difficult to say, with so many other hormones playing into the mix.
    And I don't think AAS would add much mass without the presence of insulin .
    Actually, look at any diabetic.
    I know one who became an insulin dependent diabetic when he was 20, which is very unusual. He had been training quite some time and had some mass.
    Without any insulin all muscle and fat cells begin to starve.
    So he lost weight at a tremendous pace. Even if he added tons of AAS, he wouldn't have gained anything, or even prevented continues muscle loss IMO.

    But, under normal circumstances there's always some insulin floating around,
    Does exogenous insulin use contribute more to muscle gain than AAS f.ex?
    Don't know, but suspect it could. Not that I think it a good idea without enough AAS on the side.

    Somatropin is (in me at least) quite anabolic as well, but not without AAS.
    I would think insulin much stronger than somatropin, but still.

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    Thank you this is a response that I've been looking for now I've actually learned something. when I asked does it build muscle of course I knew it had its place but in relation to being anabolic all I wanted was a explanation on how because I couldn't see one apart from preventing nutrient catabolism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DocToxin8 View Post
    Saying insulin itself isn't anabolic is a false statement.
    Anabolic means it promotes generation of tissue.
    Insulin does that by inhibiting catabolism (breakdown of proteins, glycogen and fat), and it increases nutrient shuttling.
    This in itself is enough to catagorize it as anabolic.
    But is it muscle building?
    Yes it surely is, and like AAS it would most likely be somewhat muscle building even without any exercise stimulus. That would not only be a huge waste however, it would mean you would gain a lot of fat, get reduced sensitivity to insulin and a lot of other side effects would be magnified 100times.

    As for personal use of slin I've never used it without AAS.
    Both rapid and very long actin slin is perfect for muscle building, but long acting needs a little more attention to diet, or rather, needs the diet to be adjusted for a longer time frame. I've used long acting without and fat gain for a 3weeks to one month, but that's the longest I can cut it. Can't stand the
    Thank you for clearing this this up I appreciate it.

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    In biochemistry all substances that promote pathways that lead to bigger molecules being formed from smaller molecules, in reactions that require energy are anabolic .
    One of insulins actions are to promote glycogenesis, the creation of glycogen by joining several glucose molecules together in a reaction that requires energy (by using phosphate).
    As a muscle builder; I think the most powerful effects are caused by inhibiting proteolysis; the breakdown of protein. (Anti catabolic effect)
    As well as its effect on nutrient shuttling. That's why I surmise using insulin without other anabolic stimulus (excersize, AAS) isn't very effective.

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    I buy mine from a guy I met on craigslist lol. Yes there are actually people selling this stuff on craigslist
    I have searched as many ways as I can for that, and nothing. Damn it.

    As for massive Marcus asking this question about insulin , is this a trap???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcus G View Post
    How is it the most anabolic hormone available? insulin its self isn't anabolic. Some your saying itself more anabolic than igf-1?
    Insulin and Insulin-like Growth Factor (IGF) have overlapping mechanisms of action and activate common downstream proteins.

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    Yes in the US you can go to Walmart and get their brand, Novolin R by ReliOn. Obviously it's the old school short Regular insulin thus the R. No script needed and it's 26 usd for a 10ml 100iu vial. Make sure it says human and don't let them try to give the the 70/30. The N version I belive is 1200 usd. Only question asked was, How is your day?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GAINZ4DAYZ View Post
    agreed, if you've seen the accountant, they make the guy take a double dose to od on insulin to make it look like an accident..by careful my friend.
    Just seen that the other day lol. And yeah I had a gf that was a diabetic. Def have to know your own body and diet like crazy even though she ate like shit..watch out for seizures

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    Quote Originally Posted by numbere View Post
    I don't think you need a script.

    I was under the impression that it's against the law for a pharmacy not to sell you insulin .

    What if you don't have insurance or are on vacation and forgot your script?

    A diabetic can die without insulin.

    I know the price had gone up recently that's why I was asking how much you guys are paying.

    Edit: Never mind, I now realize we're referencing two different types of insulin.
    Right i was confused about that when my x gf didn't have insurance. Lucky for her her brother n laws son was a diabetic and got extra so he gave her the surplus ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcus G View Post
    I started the thread to clear up that insulin isn't as anabolic as everybody says it is which then would open up a debate not an argument.
    I don't know much all I know is how to kick ass and take names. I never cycled ever. But if when your body is an anabolic atmosphere...anabolic pretty much means conditions for growth ...pretty much. So if insulin aids in growth in any way wether it's a vehicle for nutrients or preserves etc..then it's anabolic correct.. it def isn't catabolic cuz I don't see shit breaking down with it lol only gains ..so whats your point slim. I think it's pretty dangerous for beginners to know about insulin and bodybuilding.
    My x gf use to take lantis and something else..one was day time which is fast acting and the other was night time it was slow releasing
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    How muscle building is insulin ?
    (Now that we have established it is anabolic and all the semantics)

    I think the muscle building potential of insulin vary a lot of how you use it and with what.
    It's clearly muscle building just by itself, but when adding in AAS it seems to really shine.
    From my own experiences I've noticed that especially long acting insulin will make you recover in one day what normally would take 3 days,
    so for one it does seem to speed up recovery after training.

    The old protocol I learned was to only use fast acting insulin,
    and only after workouts.
    This is probably the safest method and will aid in recovery and build some
    muscle.

    But long acting insulin that will provide an anti catabolic and nutrient shuttling effect the whole day seems to be the most muscle building. Not surprisingly.
    It's also here it's easier to gain fat or reduce insulin sensitivity,
    but I don't find that to be too much of a problem.
    What is the problem is to find days that are suitable for long acting slin,
    cause i can't use it in situations where I won't have chronic access to fast carbohydrates.
    It can really fool you sometimes, as you might not need anything more than just your basic eating, but then if you do some cardio f.ex, go on a bike ride, etc, your muscles suddenly need a lot more glucose, and you can start to feel very strange, even if your BG monitor shows that your BG is in fact normal.

    As this week comes I'll use as much long acting as I can,
    it being the end of my bulk.
    Short acting I can still use even while cutting.
    (It does only work for 3-5hours after all, so reduced fat burning for such a period of time won't affect much)

    End of rant.

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    The insulin receptor was something my lab studied extensively when I was in grad school. Is insulin Anabolic ? Absolutely, it will put on body mass as fast as anything. Note that I didn't say lean mass. And insulin responce and its effects are tissue specific. In the muscle cells, high insulin will stimulate the cell to take up glucose AND many other macro and micro nutrients. In white Fat cells it will cause uptake of glucose and fatty acids to build fat stores, in brown fat cells it will cause glucose to shuttle in to help stimulate thermogenesis when signaled.

    Where as Steroids are to my knowledge, generally Anabolic in muscle and and connective tissues like ligaments and tendons. I don't know if it has much action on fat cells, at least not to the overall extent that it does in muscle cells.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleScience View Post
    My professor in grad school said to think of insulin as basically the signal for cells to "settle down and eat." Because insulin also blocks the action of adrenaline in the second messenger cascade competing directly for receptor response.
    I learned that insulin was catabolic as fuck last semester...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hollowedzeus View Post
    I learned that insulin was catabolic as fuck last semester...
    You mean anti catabolic?
    It's very effective at halting proteolysis f.ex.

    Without insulin all muscle and fat cells would starve.
    (Don't know much about fibroblasts, but they too have insulin receptors)

    We often think insulin only controls blood sugar.
    But one of the reasons diabetics can get such horrible side effects like blindness is because they will have not only elevated blood glucose, but elevated free fatty acids/FFAs in their blood. As well as amino acids.
    And basically all cells will starve, even in the presence of very high amounts of fuel, since they need insulin to transport that fuel inside the cells.

    Insulin and adrenaline will compete somewhat on fat cells f.ex.
    Adrenaline will stimulate lipolysis while insulin will hinder it.
    What actually happens depends on the individual and type of fat cell.
    Some cells are more sensitive to adrenaline than others.
    It also depends on the level of insulin.
    Insulin is quite powerful in its anti lipolytic effects,
    but in real life one sees that it's very possible to burn fat even if insulin is elevated; so it's not as simple as a on/off switch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DocToxin8 View Post

    You mean anti catabolic?
    It's very effective at halting proteolysis f.ex.

    Without insulin all muscle and fat cells would starve.
    (Don't know much about fibroblasts, but they too have insulin receptors)

    We often think insulin only controls blood sugar.
    But one of the reasons diabetics can get such horrible side effects like blindness is because they will have not only elevated blood glucose, but elevated free fatty acids/FFAs in their blood. As well as amino acids.
    And basically all cells will starve, even in the presence of very high amounts of fuel, since they need insulin to transport that fuel inside the cells.

    Insulin and adrenaline will compete somewhat on fat cells f.ex.
    Adrenaline will stimulate lipolysis while insulin will hinder it.
    What actually happens depends on the individual and type of fat cell.
    Some cells are more sensitive to adrenaline than others.
    It also depends on the level of insulin.
    Insulin is quite powerful in its anti lipolytic effects,
    but in real life one sees that it's very possible to burn fat even if insulin is elevated; so it's not as simple as a on/off switch.
    Ill see if i can find my notes. I remeber thinking it was bullshit. I hope im wrong tho.. was talking to a type 1 diabetic in work and learning off him... it is indeed an interesting hormone!

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