golfers elbow

**manc** · 10-15-2005, 04:34 AM

someone said i may have this.its the inside of the elbow,not the joint,last bit of muscle before the funny bone,if i put my palms together and push its very painfull.
i cant tense my bicep as hard as my good one,
thing is the time i injured it lifting a concrete into a skip,it was the top part where my fore arm meets the elbow that something snapped.thanks for any help

**OldPLer** · 10-15-2005, 07:59 AM

It is probably tendonitis, tennis elbow is outside of elbow and golfers elbow is inside but both are from tendon problems. First thing to do is ice and pain med like ibuprofen or Aleve. If you heard a snap, it could be more serious like torn ligament, but I would try ice and meds as a start, unless there is bruising there which could mean torn ligament. Good luck

**liftergirl** · 10-15-2005, 08:07 AM

How long has this been going on? Was it a gradual thing or a sudden injury?

**manc** · 10-16-2005, 05:12 AM

Originally Posted by liftergirl

How long has this been going on? Was it a gradual thing or a sudden injury?

back in march when it snapped,think the other pain prob earlier,came an went sort of off and on

**needmorestrength** · 10-17-2005, 08:29 AM

Snapping is not normal for tendonitis.. Tendonitis is usually caused over time, although sometimes can be brought about by a sudden hard impact. ! Ice,Nsaid;s, and REST!! Resting it is key!

***Doc.Sust*** · 10-17-2005, 09:55 AM

great advice again! needsmorestrength, are you in the medical field? pm if you get a chance.

**liftergirl** · 10-19-2005, 07:07 AM

oldpler....how are you doing???

**manc** · 10-19-2005, 03:35 PM

meds? the gel stuff?

**manc** · 10-20-2005, 01:46 AM

Will Ice Work Even On A Old Injury?

***Doc.Sust*** · 10-20-2005, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by manc

meds? the gel stuff?

meds = medicine

***Doc.Sust*** · 10-20-2005, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by manc

Will Ice Work Even On A Old Injury?

heat is used on chronic/old injuries, ice is used on old injuries when they "flare up or are re-injured. yes ice will work on both. i am a competitive nationaly ranked powerlifter, i have alot of injuries, and i find that ice only works best for me. i never use heat, unless i alternate with 10min ice, 10 min heat, and then 10min ice, but this is very very rare.

**needmorestrength** · 10-20-2005, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by Doc.Sust

heat is used on chronic/old injuries, ice is used on old injuries when they "flare up or are re-injured. yes ice will work on both. i am a competitive nationaly ranked powerlifter, i have alot of injuries, and i find that ice only works best for me. i never use heat, unless i alternate with 10min ice, 10 min heat, and then 10min ice, but this is very very rare.

exactly. If the muscle is torn or a joint is dislocated obviously ice will not help it lol.. Keeping in mind the maximum ice/heat is 10 min at a time

***Doc.Sust*** · 10-20-2005, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by needmorestrength

exactly. If the muscle is torn or a joint is dislocated obviously ice will not help it lol.. Keeping in mind the maximum ice/heat is 10 min at a time

i was taught that max time is twenty minutes. i myself break that rule when i do my ice/heat/ice therapy only. otherwise no more than 20 minutes for every waking 2 hours

**liftergirl** · 10-20-2005, 03:46 PM

i was taught the max of 20 min heat as well....as well as max for 20 min of ice too....I've had some patients ignore that and end up icing their injured knees or elbows so long they've gotten the nearby nerves numb....which is not fun to go through! I've had a lot of people get better luck with the 10min cycles though!

**needmorestrength** · 10-20-2005, 07:45 PM

hmm. I was taught that surrounding nerves can be numbed, and possibly damaged at 10 minutes? Or maybe I listened wrong lol

***Doc.Sust*** · 10-21-2005, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by needmorestrength

hmm. I was taught that surrounding nerves can be numbed, and possibly damaged at 10 minutes? Or maybe I listened wrong lol

how about we just say ten to twenty minutes depending on patient tolerance. now the universe is at peace!!!lol!!!!

**liftergirl** · 10-21-2005, 10:14 AM

amen to that

(and if you start to lose feeling, of course, stop ! )

**manc** · 10-23-2005, 06:13 AM

sorry im confused..so i ice for 10 min rest for ten? so how many ten min applications all in all? every day or more

**liftergirl** · 10-23-2005, 09:06 AM

ice for ten minutes, rest for ten, then repeat. as many times a day as you want.

**decadbal** · 10-23-2005, 10:18 AM

i had the exact opposite.. i had 3 damaged tendons, and one tear.. sucsk, im just now gettin back to normal with it

**liftergirl** · 10-23-2005, 12:33 PM

decdbal- ouch! that is a hard rehab. how long ago???

**manc** · 10-23-2005, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by liftergirl

ice for ten minutes, rest for ten, then repeat. as many times a day as you want.

Thanks liftergirl..will this heal it or just ease it?

**liftergirl** · 10-23-2005, 04:25 PM

Well, that depends. If you use ice combined with nsaids and rest, if it's a simple tendonitis, then it will heal over time. But, the thing that concerns me is the "snapping" you had; if it's more complex than tendonitis, then you won't find relief from that combo.....so it's hard to say without examining you myself.

**needmorestrength** · 10-23-2005, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by liftergirl

Well, that depends. If you use ice combined with nsaids and rest, if it's a simple tendonitis, then it will heal over time. But, the thing that concerns me is the "snapping" you had; if it's more complex than tendonitis, then you won't find relief from that combo.....so it's hard to say without examining you myself.

Get it checked out.. its one thing to ask on a board, on sight diagnosis could be completly different!! Do yourself a favour!

***Doc.Sust*** · 10-24-2005, 09:23 AM

if you have health insurance take advantage of it!

**liftergirl** · 10-24-2005, 11:14 AM

most definately! this sounds like it could be more complex than a simple strain....and doing it sooner rather than later would be a LOT easier!

**manc** · 10-24-2005, 12:24 PM

i am seein a top physio now for my torn ligament around my knee,its hard to get an appoint with him and my knee was more important for work reasons.
not insured.
and the hospitals are a waist of time,im 6 months in about my knee with them,an all i had is xray an blood test,free health care in uk,but as we all know if you aint payin.you aint gettin seen quick.
i been private before,BUPA,.shoulder injury,waist of time,cost a fortune and in the end the physio i see now fixed it.he is the best thats why its hard to see him.he used to be dorian yates training partner,a lot of famous athletes an spots men go to him.i was just wonderin if ther was anythin i could do myself when i read about icing..thanks for all your replies

**manc** · 10-24-2005, 02:17 PM

and also how does the iceing work

**decadbal** · 10-24-2005, 02:21 PM

i injured mine about 2 months ago.. it still hurts, but after lettin it rest and goign to the DR, its alot better..

***Doc.Sust*** · 10-24-2005, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by manc

and also how does the iceing work

off the top of myhead, ice decreeases pain and inflamation,also stopsthe injury from spreading. allows the muscles over time to break the spasm

**liftergirl** · 10-25-2005, 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by Doc.Sust

off the top of myhead, ice decreeases pain and inflamation,also stopsthe injury from spreading. allows the muscles over time to break the spasm

pretty much. it basically decreases the amount of inflammation and numbs the superficial nerves in the area so you have decreased pain. it also decreases the amount of blood flow there so fewer inflammatory cells go to the area.....and helps the muscle loosen up so the spasms dont occur...

**needmorestrength** · 10-25-2005, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by liftergirl

pretty much. it basically decreases the amount of inflammation and numbs the superficial nerves in the area so you have decreased pain. it also decreases the amount of blood flow there so fewer inflammatory cells go to the area.....and helps the muscle loosen up so the spasms dont occur...

Excatly, simply said, reduces inflammation! lol

**manc** · 10-26-2005, 04:13 AM

thanks everyone.
my back prob comes an goes,so yesterday it started tightening up,did the ice thing an iseems to be ok this morn.so did the ice do that ya think?

***Doc.Sust*** · 10-26-2005, 08:32 AM

Originally Posted by manc

thanks everyone.
my back prob comes an goes,so yesterday it started tightening up,did the ice thing an iseems to be ok this morn.so did the ice do that ya think?

without a doubt!ice is one of the best rehab tools, best part is it is free and available to all. bad part is you have to be disciplined and make sure that you use the ice and not slack off and forget about it.

**liftergirl** · 10-26-2005, 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by Doc.Sust

without a doubt!ice is one of the best rehab tools, best part is it is free and available to all. bad part is you have to be disciplined and make sure that you use the ice and not slack off and forget about it.

if you can get someone to help you with the ice massages, it helps a lot! keep it up! glad it's working

any luck finding a D.O. to do a release therapy?

***Doc.Sust*** · 10-26-2005, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by liftergirl

if you can get someone to help you with the ice massages, it helps a lot! keep it up! glad it's working

any luck finding a D.O. to do a release therapy?

don't forget us D.C.'s can do it too!!!hahaha just make sure you find one who actually practices this technique.

**liftergirl** · 10-26-2005, 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by Doc.Sust

don't forget us D.C.'s can do it too!!!hahaha just make sure you find one who actually practices this technique.

lol...so sorry! a lot of the D.C's where i'm from dont do it a lot....so we have to get the D.O's to do it....guess they should just make an appointment with you , huh? glad youre able to help people with the technique---it's awesome!

and works SO well!

***Doc.Sust*** · 10-26-2005, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by liftergirl

lol...so sorry! a lot of the D.C's where i'm from dont do it a lot....so we have to get the D.O's to do it....guess they should just make an appointment with you , huh? glad youre able to help people with the technique---it's awesome!

and works SO well!

honestly i don't do the A.R.T. i do a basterdized version, but i am not proficent or certified. that is why i recomend everyone who goes for A.R.T, that the person you are seeing has taken the programs to do it . not every D.C. or D.O. knows how to do this, and this is no exception even tomyself. if some one came ti me and asked for A.R.T. i would refer them out.

**manc** · 10-26-2005, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by liftergirl

if you can get someone to help you with the ice massages, it helps a lot! keep it up! glad it's working

any luck finding a D.O. to do a release therapy?

whats a D.O liftrgirl

**liftergirl** · 10-26-2005, 10:56 AM

doctor of osteopathy....a bit differnt than a medical doctor....or at least, they used to be...osteopathic medicine was orginally based on doing more training regarding the musculoskelatal system...but the thing is, DO's and MD's are pretty similar in today's world. Primary Care MD's are more focused on musculoskelatal stuff than they used to be and DO's are doing more non-musculoskelatal training. However, MD's who are like, radiologists, anesthesiologists, psychiatrists, and other specialists, dont' do much musculoskelatal training. Primary MD's do...or at least, some of us do.

DO's are also trained in doing Osteopathic Manipulative Treatment (OMT)...which MD's are not certified in (we can learn it from colleagues, but are not allowed to charge for it). This is where they are trained to do stuff like A.R.T. that Dr Sust was referring to; and some D.C's (like Dr Sust) do specific versions of that manipulative treatment.

Make sense?