Lose the back pain.com (review)

**sonar1234** · 10-30-2005, 08:45 AM

www.losethebackpain.com

Many here know that i have been plagued with back pain for nearly 4 years now.

I have gone to many so called professionnal from chiro, osteo, physio, massage therapy, acuponcture and more without any success.

I have even gone to a doctor that gave me some anti-inflamatory drugs.

All of theses professional treated the symptoms but never took the time to check in what the cause would be, its not in there benefits to do so either cause you are a walking bank of money for most of theses greedy assholes

I have decided to buy this dvd off the internet cause it offered some good approach to back pain finally, i do not have sciatica but i have upper and lower back pain.

I went back to the gym and starting training with light weights, then upped the charges imagining that training and cardio woud eventually get rid of my pain, fact of the matter is it got worst.

Most back pain that remain are causes by muscles imbalance, i will take my case for exemple.

I injured myself doing squats and deadlifts. Got worst going to a chiro with all that cracking and the guy did not know what he was doing either. Finally got my pelvic re-ajusted a year and a half after my injury so can you imagine all the muscle weakness that add installed itself in my body.

After that i went on a spree to finally clear the remaining muscle pain that was present, physio gave me dumb massages and come back later, address incorrect posture issues with dumb exercices and even more... i dont want to get into this too long and it will only pull out more frustration.

My case is that my pelvic is to far back, the cause is strong quads, strong chest and shoulders but very weak hamstrings, weak lower abs and weak upper back muscles.

The program tought me on how to evaluate myself looking in a mirror, hey best evaluation i add ever LOL, you also take 4 pictures of you one front on back and on both sides to be able to see where are the weakness.

I have to strech my quads with some very good exercices, strech my chest has well, strenghten my lower abs, my hamstrings and upper back.

So far so good the program looks very good it comes with a dvd explaining how to self evaluate yourself, a book that shows you what exercices to do for your cause.

You even get a free one month money back garantie if it does not work.

Anyways i am not doing a publicity for theses guys i am just gonna review this progam week by week and see if it can cure my back pain for ever.

I will only be doing the exercices that i am suppost to do, i will not train my chest quads nor delts, and that was my mistake, i was training my whole body so the strong muscles get stronger and are still stronger then the weak ones.

Also most people are prone to train quads a lot more the hamstrings has well.

If this program works i will be giving more info on everything and people will stop wasting there money going to so called professionnal and never healing and living life to its fullest.

***Doc.Sust*** · 10-31-2005, 01:34 PM

"If this program works i will be giving more info on everything and people will stop wasting there money going to so called professionnal and never healing and living life to its fullest."
yes i have a problem with such a damn dumb statement. do you actually think that all back pain can be cured fom a dvd of stretches you found online?!?!?give me a fckn break, listen there are many reasons and many diagnosis for back pain, and yes this may help you , but if you think this is a "cure all miracle" for all lowback pain" you are ignorant!! some one gets hit by a bus and has compression fractues in there cevical spine along with herniated discs and impinged nerve roots,you think your little book of stretches is going to fix this!?!?!? bullshit!! don't come here and try to bash medical profesionals as greedy a$$holes pal, not in my house!!! if your book worked so well , then there would be no back pain in the entire world and no need for any doctor, but as you can see this isn't so. so before you start telling people they shouldn't see a medical professional when they have low back pain, and a person ends up listening to you , and they dont see a doctor and then later have an abdominal aortic anneyurism rupture because they listened to your uneducated, bias, dumb ass oppininon, then you can have that on your concious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

**sonar1234** · 10-31-2005, 02:31 PM

Good i have a problem with dumb chiros, and i have went in 4 years to 2 chiros that made me worst, i got x rays, test and all.

BTW the program is working fine, even better then a simple 5 minute dumb manipulation that leave you pain free for 2 days then the pain sets back.

Chiros have a formation in marketing to make money, easy answers and more.

Now i know you are a chiro and unless your metod differs from any other you are in the same boat.

Unless you work with posture reajustement, target muscle imbalance, deep tissu massage and more it worstless.

Search the net everybody has bad experiences with chiros, the sad thing is that they keep you draging on and on and on i know people that have gone to chiros for 2 years none stop they still have pain.

Osteopath are the ones that people should go see, chiros got my pelvic so out of place the pain was worst, then the same idiot told me to come see him twice a week, when i went to the osteopath he told me do you know HOM MUCH PEOPLE WHO WENT TO A CHIROS I UNSCREW EACH DAY.

The program says to seek special advice, they rule out chiropratic cause to many people got nothing out of it.

I will still keep updates on this program its been 3 days now and i can say i feel a lot better.

**sonar1234** · 10-31-2005, 02:39 PM

I will bash chiro and professonals even in your basement, if you where professional you would not swear and act like one.

Physio, massage and more are not done to correct back pain and do not treat the symptoms they treat the pain, tell you that lower back pain is caused by weak lower abs and give you a bunch of useless streching crap.

In Canada the chiros have a petition going on cause medical doctors tell them that there diagnostic are worstless and that most people end up being worst.

Now get that in your conscience.

Now please dont talk to me anymore, i have a strong haterad against chiro, guess that all the horror stories i eard over the years plus my personal experience of a moron that is certified that worsten my case even more and this idiot still practice chiro and makes people even worst, i know a girls husband that has neck problem that got even worst after seeing that idiot.........

The world would be better off without chiros.
www.losethebackpain.com so far so good, back pain that keeps coming back is mostly related to posture and muscles imbalances that can be corrected by streching the stronger muscles and strengtening the weak one, this makes a lot more sense then going 1-2 times a week to some idiot for a dumb spin manipulation, and signing a life contract.

Hey i didnt say that the program did and he is right.

There si so much back pain cause poor people dont know where to turn to when they get the pain.

More update on this program next week.

***Doc.Sust*** · 10-31-2005, 02:47 PM

you are a moron hands down, and yes i do postural annalysis and deep tissue masage, i specialize in trauma and car accidents, and let me just tell you, just from the way you speak, you know nothing,uneducated and a jerkoff

***Doc.Sust*** · 10-31-2005, 02:49 PM

keep mouthing off to me pal and watch what happens... you won't be posting anything if you keep it up

***Doc.Sust*** · 10-31-2005, 02:57 PM

you are giving bad advice just because you had an experience with one doctor doesn't make you a medical professional, and nobody should order some program online and self diagnose the self. what you are telling people to do is moronic and many people can get hurt even worse by listening to you bias hatred. you show me literature that says a manipulation doesn't help more than a self help home online product, and i will give you credit. also chiro's and osteopath do the same manipulations, so show how little you know.

**sonar1234** · 10-31-2005, 03:32 PM

I will now add you to my ignore list, you are the moron and a chiro on top of all so you deserve the pie sir.

I am sure that my personal experiences will reflect a lot of people here that have been ongoing to such jerk has youself, would be quit funny to see what advise you give for posture and correction.

I have strong quads, weak hamstrings and been told to train my quads by specialist moron like you.

Train my lower back while the problem is not part from there.

I am a moron for not beleiving in such frauds and assholes like yourself putting what you eat on the table each night, how can you sleep well at night when you fraud so many good people.

**sonar1234** · 10-31-2005, 03:37 PM

BTW i know enought cause i have seen 5 different ostopaths, 2 accuponcutre, 2 chiros the worst frauds of them all sorry, 5 massage therapiste, 3 physio therapist.

And none of them could pin point my pain, kept giving me appointements each week til i got tired.

I add x rays for my spin, total evaluation, and the great book i bought tought me all that in less then 3 days i feel a lot less pain and strech the right muscles and strenghten the right ones.

Hey the last moron i went to see, a kinestologist told me to do some lungs, that i add weak hamstrings????? lunges work the quads has much has the hamstrings, he told me to do free weight body squats and that push ups where ok, my chest is strong my upper back is weak. Wow am i impressed.

Now i do some close pulley rows and a tone of chest streching that is correcting my upper back pain, i am streching my quads and doing some leg curls for my hamstrings and tragetting my lower abs with leg raises not full sit ups.

Smoke that up your pipe dude

**sonar1234** · 10-31-2005, 03:42 PM

And another thing i am not giving advise to anyone to do nothing here bro, has i have explained if you read my post carefully that this is my case, if someone has back pain i will tell them to go to there family doctor and he will rederect them to someone you can trust, take some x rays and more.

I am just a simple person that got really fed up about back pain and about all the so called specialist out there that will rip people of there money and give them the wrong directions.

I am willing give updates on my condition each week and with that program i got a 30 day money back garantee, if it works for me, then hell people can check out the website and judge for themselves, the program cost 60$ and thats the price of a treatment.

**sonar1234** · 10-31-2005, 03:47 PM

this is more suitable for chiros

***Doc.Sust*** · 10-31-2005, 04:01 PM

and this makes
you an expert hard guy?? you are deuche bag. lunges do work hamstrings by the way.
you have NO facts or proof of your claims. this is just an angry A$$HOLES uneducated oppinion soley based on bad experiences. so you bash chrio's kinesiologists,ostopaths, accupuncture docs,PT's and think you know better because you bought a book and dvd online than all these profesionals? get real!!!!!!and if you are so so smart why didn't you see an orthopedic like anyone with a brain would have if the problem didn't stop instead of going to 10 different practcioners?? keep it up pal, you are cruising for a bruising,

***Doc.Sust*** · 10-31-2005, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by sonar1234

this is more suitable for chiros

my friend, i smell a BAN coming real soon,

better say your goodbyes, your time is almost up! you are barking up the wrong tree,don't screw with the big dog if you don't want to get bit!

***Doc.Sust*** · 10-31-2005, 04:07 PM

the only dumb person i see here is you! you make biased claims based only on your limited intellect and poor judgement with no facts to back up your big fat mouth. i am warning you BACK OFF or your posting days are numbered Lash Larue!

***Doc.Sust*** · 10-31-2005, 05:28 PM

fianlly got the point? good now keep your mouth closed.

**956Vette** · 10-31-2005, 05:49 PM

easy killer. guys, dont make me close this thread

**OldPLer** · 10-31-2005, 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by Doc.Sust

and this makes
you an expert hard guy?? you are deuche bag. lunges do work hamstrings by the way.
you have NO facts or proof of your claims. this is just an angry A$$HOLES uneducated oppinion soley based on bad experiences. so you bash chrio's kinesiologists,ostopaths, accupuncture docs,PT's and think you know better because you bought a book and dvd online than all these profesionals? get real!!!!!!and if you are so so smart why didn't you see an orthopedic like anyone with a brain would have if the problem didn't stop instead of going to 10 different practcioners?? keep it up pal, you are cruising for a bruising,

WOW Doc, never seen you so fired up, I got your back.

**956Vette** · 10-31-2005, 07:47 PM

gotta say i love doc's passion

**Mealticket** · 10-31-2005, 10:14 PM

How bout posting up the pics you took?

**juicinator567** · 10-31-2005, 11:10 PM

and just so oyu know i am plagued with back pain too, i did the lose the back pain.com dvd thing and it did not ****in work at all. if your pain has been on for four years, this video of stretches wont cure it.

**sonar1234** · 11-01-2005, 08:53 AM

Sorry guys but the professionnals wont cure you either.

Has i said i will keep on doing it for at least a month and see.

I am not saying it will fix me or nothing, so far so good.

I just cant understand why so called professional cannot cure people and make them worst thats all.

**sonar1234** · 11-01-2005, 08:57 AM

juicinator567 what is your story about back pain how did you get it?

What professional help did you seek?

I add x rays and all that is spin and bone related is fine so makes a lot of sense that its muscle imbalance.

I was still training my quads and chest and the pain kept coming back, now that i am stretching them and training my hamstrings and back deltoids and lower abs i feel a bit better.

I will not lie i still have pain but that cannot be solve within 3 days.

**sonar1234** · 11-01-2005, 09:01 AM

The pics i took where not taken off a digital camera but a simple cam, i took 4 pictures has requested per the dvd.

front, back, left and right side. There i could notice that my head is forward way to much and that my pelvic is tilt backward which means that my quads chest and front deltoids are to strong compared to my hams, lower abs and upper back muscles that are weak. I have to admit that i never trained hams.

Since i started doing bootcamp and tae bo dvds i did plenty of free weight squats, which got my condition worst, following what the professional told me to do????????

Tell you what guys if this works for me i will post the program for free and the people with lower back pain can try it.

Its a 60$ value here.

**sonar1234** · 11-01-2005, 09:19 AM

For that doc sus or something, someone that is so defensive means that they do not have confidence i what they do. Sorry but this just shows me yet again that chiropratic is worthless.

I am not an expert, in now way either i am just your average joe that tried everything has of yet and chiros 2 of them got my worst then i was.

Has i said i went to all the pros for the back pain and always ended up paying money for worthless treatements but they never stopped giving me appointements even when they didnt know what i add.

The dvd is a smart approach to understanding your back pain, you still need to consult a professionnal for sure but its better to go seek someone that knows the muscular and can work with that.

Sad but i still havent found one good professional so i decided to try this dvd and try to cure myself.-

**sonar1234** · 11-01-2005, 11:16 AM

ANother thing in forgot to mention, posture, correct posture is very important either will standing and even worst while sitting.

Sadly the dvd does not cover this very important part of back pain.

I really like the other fact that the streching part has to be done from 3-5 times daily which is very good.

The muscular strenght part can be done each day once a day, i am currently doing it twice a day in the morning and at night.

***Doc.Sust*** · 11-01-2005, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by sonar1234

For that doc sus or something, someone that is so defensive means that they do not have confidence i what they do. Sorry but this just shows me yet again that chiropratic is worthless.

I am not an expert, in now way either i am just your average joe that tried everything has of yet and chiros 2 of them got my worst then i was.

Has i said i went to all the pros for the back pain and always ended up paying money for worthless treatements but they never stopped giving me appointements even when they didnt know what i add.

The dvd is a smart approach to understanding your back pain, you still need to consult a professionnal for sure but its better to go seek someone that knows the muscular and can work with that.

Sad but i still havent found one good professional so i decided to try this dvd and try to cure myself.-

i have alot more confidence in my skills then a $2 jip joint dvd, i am passionate because i i believe you say you know better than all medical profesionals, and i think you are gravely mistaken. i argue because i believe YOUR wrong and your advice can end up killing someone if they listen to you and don't see a health physician and it may end up being alot worse than a simple muscle strain. alll case are not like your specific case, they alll have different, not the same, and some are more serious then others. kidney problems, may also cause un-curable low back pain and is a hell of alot more serious then a sprain /strain. now if someone was so inclined to listen to you, they may put themselves in alot of danger. i DO NOT WANT TO SEE ANYONE BE NIEVE BY LISTENING TO FOOLISH ONE SIDED ,UNDOCUMENTED HORSE CRAP,and end up with a serious problem. this is why i will fight you tooth nail until the day i die!!!!! this isn't about you OR me its about PEOPLES SAFETY!!!! so put your ego aside. every case is unique, i help alot of people with pain every day and when i see something i cant help with or above me, i refer to an orthopedic, which you should have done if no one could get to the root of your problem.why didn't you? seems to me like common sense. its alot smarter than trying to self diagnoe yourself. you sit there like an authority on back pain and rehab and you have no credentials, no studies to back your ignorant comments, no rhyme or reason, just YOUR oppinion, which in my oppinion doesn't carry much weight. you bashed every medical professional on the planet, except for dentistry, and claim to know more than people who do this for a living. yes buddy we are all out to get you and steal your money, you are right sir!GIVE ME A BREAK! i appologize to the forum for going off like this, but i can't stand by and listen to such slander and unfactial nonsense. you attacked me as a person and my carrer, you have something to say to me, PM me andwill duke it out there poncho! all i want to say , for the last time , YOU ARE WRONG!!!!!

**sonar1234** · 11-01-2005, 02:46 PM

Dear Doc.Sust can you please let it go, this is going no where and i put you in my ignore list so i cannot see whatever you are posting.

I am no expert in back pain and just trying the dvd program which works fine for now.

Thanks

***Doc.Sust*** · 11-01-2005, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by sonar1234

Dear Doc.Sust can you please let it go, this is going no where and i put you in my ignore list so i cannot see whatever you are posting.

I am no expert in back pain and just trying the dvd program which works fine for now.

Thanks

glad to hear, and since i am on your ignore list then you won't see this, i am right and you are wrong. case closed! you admit to not being an expert in back pain, well then don't try to give advice on a subject you know nothing about and in the process try to imply that i don't know what i am talking about!

**OldPLer** · 11-01-2005, 04:56 PM

I am going to say one more thing, it was funny at first because anyone with any sense would realize that Sonar was so wrong. Doc has helped a lot of people here, he knows his stuff and anyone who has been on this forum knows that. I have a friend who had back problems, he kept blaming it on DLs, then moving furniture etc etc. Bottom line, he went to Chiro who sent him immediately to another Dr. who sent him to hospital. He is now in MD Anderson undergoing chemo for sarcoma. Back pain can not be ignored. He was tough guy who ignored things and we all thought it was just normal back soreness but it would not go away. End of my discussion on this.

***Doc.Sust*** · 11-01-2005, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by OldPLer

I am going to say one more thing, it was funny at first because anyone with any sense would realize that Sonar was so wrong. Doc has helped a lot of people here, he knows his stuff and anyone who has been on this forum knows that. I have a friend who had back problems, he kept blaming it on DLs, then moving furniture etc etc. Bottom line, he went to Chiro who sent him immediately to another Dr. who sent him to hospital. He is now in MD Anderson undergoing chemo for sarcoma. Back pain can not be ignored. He was tough guy who ignored things and we all thought it was just normal back soreness but it would not go away. End of my discussion on this.

thank you oldPler, thank you so much!!! that is exactly my point!!!you hit the nail on the head. a true testimonial. an osteo sarcoma is a malignant bone tumor that can KILL a person if not treated. yet another example of why you do not self diagnose. i am sure the chiro saw this on the x-ray and immediately refered him to an orthopedic. proof is in the pudding

**Mealticket** · 11-01-2005, 05:32 PM

Seriously...you can tell all that rom a picture......I wanna see!

**sonar1234** · 11-01-2005, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by Mealticket

Seriously...you can tell all that rom a picture......I wanna see!

I am having a hard time understanding why you want to see pictures?

The point of this tread is simply to start a review on a program that i have ordered from the internet which attacks back pain in a different angle that i have never really eard off before.

My pelvic is tilted, my head is forward in front. What is the point of the pictures? seriously?

If people are not interested in this approach then its ok i will just stop posting the progess i make right away and forget it.

I do beleive that people might have gone true what i have gone true paying money without results, living each day with pain, hoping that some day getting back to a normal life...........

**sonar1234** · 11-01-2005, 07:37 PM

OldPLer i add very bad experiences with chiros what can i say.

You say that Muscles imbalance cannot be a proper cause for back pain?

Any pain has to be investigated, has back pain, has my fathers cancer that he will surely die from within a month. Dont you think i am dumb enought to tell someone not go get professional advise, thing is its hard to find someone good, i know i been out there for 4 years going from one specialist to another.

Getting bullshit answer each time, telling me i have bad posture and to imagine a string going true my body, keep my shoulders straight, while sitting imagine that tummytuck touches my lower back, isnt that crap to your ears.

Work my lower back muscle, run, start doing your regular thing again??????????? got me worst.

One week your sacrum has moved the next ho its weird its ok now.

I am not saying that this dr sus or something is not good, i just add bad experiences with chiro and grown to not like them a lot.

If this dr sus would have terrible back pain and would have gone to see someone that would have made him worst, and you ear that this person is still practicing what would you think of that person.

Exactly you would not like there profession.

Why in 4 years could i never find someone to cure my back pain someone that has studied pain.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ this is one big reason why.

**sonar1234** · 11-01-2005, 07:39 PM

Now this is going no where so i will leave Mr Sus give you advise and he might be that good, and i will keep on doing my training and hope that this time it will be the right thing.

I will stop bothering people about this and shut myself up for good, thats what you get for trying to help out people theses days

***Doc.Sust*** · 11-02-2005, 09:27 AM

Originally Posted by sonar1234

Now this is going no where so i will leave Mr Sus give you advise and he might be that good, and i will keep on doing my training and hope that this time it will be the right thing.

I will stop bothering people about this and shut myself up for good, thats what you get for trying to help out people theses days

if you didn't present yourself as "the all knowing god" of low back pain, and condemn every medical practiconer in the book( especialy mine that specializes in low back pain, )then maybe someone would have taken you seriously. instead you went on a rampage saying because you had bad experiences with multiple medical profesionals,and you bought a half hour dvd.that you were now an authority on how to treat all back pain. it how you present yourself.in my case i didn't handle this situation the best, and i again apologize to everyone here on the board for loseing my cool. but i couldn't let you rub my nose in mud and every other doctor or medical professional on this board. yes there are bad docs every where,and yes many cases are hard to diagnose, but it doesn't mean that we are all out to get you and steal your money like pirates. now i can account many many success stories of chiropractic,physio therapy,accupuncture , massage, osteopathic medicine,and kinesiology. your one example does not discredit the billions of success stories that these professions together have treated. if you were correct, than none of these professions would exist because people would have stoped going along time ago if all of these did not work. now i am done with this thread.

**sonar1234** · 11-03-2005, 06:09 PM

Ok then dr sust i will appolodize for going on my rampage if you only understand my pain for 4 years now.

You are totally right that someone with a buldging disk or herniate the program will do nothing and i am 100% with you here.

It is just behond me that i have been to so many specialist and still have the pain, i am not the type of person that will not listen to what a specialist tells me.

I have add x rays twice for my back and neck, i have add a filmed xray has well, and i just dont get it why the professional that i went too did not see my pelvic needed to be reajusted. It was like that for well over a year, til i went to a osteo and just by touch he saw that my pelvic needed to be reajusted, has soon has he did that the pain that was in my lower back in the spin went away, of course with time and very bad posture i needed to strenghten the muscles that where weak.

This is where i tried physio, and all the rest, hell someone even told me that i was eating too much sugar and was the cause of my pains and this same person gave me some orthics for my feet that did nothing?

Can you see my frustration now Dr sust, i do understand that i have been rude and more but this is 4 years of my life, i cannot run, i plan to get back into martial arts but i cant, hell i simply go for a hiking with my girlfriend and when the hike is a bit hard the next day i have pains like hell.

My condition is called : Forward tipped pelvic which is caused by and imbalance between hip flexor and glutes, quardiceps an hamstrings, lower back and lower abdomen.

Weak muscles are:
Hamstrings
Glutes
Lower abs

Tight muscles are:
hip flexor
quadriceps
lower back

I need to strech the lower back, hip flexor, quadriceps

I need to strengthen lower abs, glutes, hamstrings

the other condition mentionned is forward head and shoulders

I also have streches and strengh training for this.

You need to understand that my only goal is to finally eliminate back pain and i never said i was a god of lower back pain, and from all i have been told i am still confused has hell about this issue.

Only thing i can tell you is that this program seems to be working fine.

I went back to the gym this week, and have included close pulley rows, hammer back machine, leg curls and seated leg curls, reverse peckdeck.

And i do the streches 2 times a day and some of the streches like quads strech and chest strech up to 5 times a day.

I am crossing my fingers that this will work in the end.

Please understand once again that living with pain day in and day out, plus having the frustration of going from one professional to the other without results can really make people mad.

I really hope that this will explain a bit more what i am going true each day and have been for 4 years.

**Mealticket** · 11-04-2005, 12:00 AM

Originally Posted by sonar1234

Ok then dr sust i will appolodize for going on my rampage if you only understand my pain for 4 years now.

You are totally right that someone with a buldging disk or herniate the program will do nothing and i am 100% with you here.

It is just behond me that i have been to so many specialist and still have the pain, i am not the type of person that will not listen to what a specialist tells me.

I have add x rays twice for my back and neck, i have add a filmed xray has well, and i just dont get it why the professional that i went too did not see my pelvic needed to be reajusted. It was like that for well over a year, til i went to a osteo and just by touch he saw that my pelvic needed to be reajusted, has soon has he did that the pain that was in my lower back in the spin went away, of course with time and very bad posture i needed to strenghten the muscles that where weak.

This is where i tried physio, and all the rest, hell someone even told me that i was eating too much sugar and was the cause of my pains and this same person gave me some orthics for my feet that did nothing?

Can you see my frustration now Dr sust, i do understand that i have been rude and more but this is 4 years of my life, i cannot run, i plan to get back into martial arts but i cant, hell i simply go for a hiking with my girlfriend and when the hike is a bit hard the next day i have pains like hell.

My condition is called : Forward tipped pelvic which is caused by and imbalance between hip flexor and glutes, quardiceps an hamstrings, lower back and lower abdomen.

Weak muscles are:
Hamstrings
Glutes
Lower abs

Tight muscles are:
hip flexor
quadriceps
lower back

I need to strech the lower back, hip flexor, quadriceps

I need to strengthen lower abs, glutes, hamstrings

the other condition mentionned is forward head and shoulders

I also have streches and strengh training for this.

You need to understand that my only goal is to finally eliminate back pain and i never said i was a god of lower back pain, and from all i have been told i am still confused has hell about this issue.

Only thing i can tell you is that this program seems to be working fine.

I went back to the gym this week, and have included close pulley rows, hammer back machine, leg curls and seated leg curls, reverse peckdeck.

And i do the streches 2 times a day and some of the streches like quads strech and chest strech up to 5 times a day.

I am crossing my fingers that this will work in the end.

Please understand once again that living with pain day in and day out, plus having the frustration of going from one professional to the other without results can really make people mad.

I really hope that this will explain a bit more what i am going true each day and have been for 4 years.

Weren't you going to put Doc S on your ignore list like........30 p osts ago!!!

**sonar1234** · 11-04-2005, 07:48 AM

Merci à tous pour le bon support que j'ai reçu ici, je vous souhait tous une bonne journée, même à mon ami ticket de repas.

**sonar1234** · 11-04-2005, 10:37 AM

mealticket i really hope you never suffer back pain in your life. You must have some weird fantasy about me has well wanting to see my pictures so bad and in am in boxers has well.

I have been hard on the doc but the explained why.

**KeyMastur** · 11-04-2005, 10:59 AM

not all back pain is a cause of imbalanced muscles. sure it's a starter. for me, i have spondy - now i have to keep my mid-section well balances or i get out of whack and i'm down for a few weeks - which does me no good cause of my "job"

many people do think they can just go to a chiro and they'll be cured. wrong.