Continue cycle or no?

[nate10]

Ok so i have been dealing with shoulder issues for almost 3 years (left shoulder) begging it wasnt bad , last 2 years has gotten worst, have seen 2 different orthos and done therapy twice once last year and once this year both for 3 months. Rested for 3 months while icing and taking nsaids , but nothing helped docs kept sayn it was tendities/ bursitis / impigment due to weak back muscles and stronger pecs muscles, well past year i have been doing back2x week and doing only few pec exercises once a week. And doing rehab and postural/ lower trap exercises to try and fix but still no problem, so i decided to try a cycle with deca . Did 2 test only in the past before injury. Well im on week 9 of 500mg test e week and 400mg deca a week. For 14 weeks (only 12 weeks of deca) my shoulder has been feeling 80% better while on cycle, but i still went to a new doc that is known to be really good today and he looked at my new xray and did some tests and me and looked at my old mri from 2 years ago that the old docs said there wasnt anything. Well this new doc saw something weird witch hes not 100% but almost sure it might be a partial or even full lebral tear. Im getting an mri with artogram done next week to make 100% sure then maybe if yes im getting a artroscopic surgery to repair. Anyways so should i stay on and keep pushing on what i can , specialy that i got terrible calves that i really wana bring up , and those i can lift even after surgery, so i can use this last month of cycles to rlly kill my calves and legs and back to help with muscle imbalance? Or should i stop now and start pct in 2 weeks? Now for people who has done something similar, how long after surgery were u back at lifting 100% and how soon could i start a cycle to help heal faster and try regain what i had faster , of like test andd deca? Wish i could get hgh but rlly hard almost imposible as anyone knows to get ur hands on it.



also i forgot. If someone has dealt with something similar or same, how did u deal with downtime, as in to keep as much as possible in weight and nt get fat? And keep a clean diet with maintaince cals and stuff?

[Chauffeur]

I would strongly advise against pushing through the pain in the gym. All that's going to do is put more stress on your labrum, which can (and likely will) cause further damage to the glenohumeral joint.

Further damage = a more extensive repair when you have surgery.

A more extensive repair = a longer and possibly more painful recovery, as well as increasing the likelihood that your shoulder, once healed, may never be what it once was.

The outcome for reasonably sized tears can be very good if you see a good surgeon, but extensive labral tears that require more than just a few anchors to secure it dramatically increase your chances of having some limitations when you've finally "recovered".

I'm speaking from experience here. I ignored my pain and just kept truckin along in the gym. I avoided some exercises, and I was dumb enough to think that a routine change would be enough.

Well, one day that all ended. The pain I experienced that day was some of the worst I've ever experienced. My arm then became a lifeless appendage that I drug around for a week until I got in to have my surgery.

My surgeon was a shoulder specialist, and he stated that he had only seen this type of tear in textbooks...and in cases of severe trauma. Almost never on his OR table.

To make a long story short...

It required 8 anchors to secure it back into place. I also destroyed a shit ton of cartilage that had to be cleared out.

Recovery sucked and I got fairly depressed for awhile. After 7 long months of rehab I was cleared by my doc and PT.

My shoulder works ok now, but I have many limitations.

Moral of the story, pushing through the pain is not worth it.

[nate10]

I would strongly advise against pushing through the pain in the gym. All that's going to do is put more stress on your labrum, which can (and likely will) cause further damage to the glenohumeral joint. Further damage = a more extensive repair when you have surgery. A more extensive repair = a longer and possibly more painful recovery, as well as increasing the likelihood that your shoulder, once healed, may never be what it once was. The outcome for reasonably sized tears can be very good if you see a good surgeon, but extensive labral tears that require more than just a few anchors to secure it dramatically increase your chances of having some limitations when you've finally "recovered". I'm speaking from experience here. I ignored my pain and just kept truckin along in the gym. I avoided some exercises, and I was dumb enough to think that a routine change would be enough. Well, one day that all ended. The pain I experienced that day was some of the worst I've ever experienced. My arm then became a lifeless appendage that I drug around for a week until I got in to have my surgery. My surgeon was a shoulder specialist, and he stated that he had only seen this type of tear in textbooks...and in cases of severe trauma. Almost never on his OR table. To make a long story short... It required 8 anchors to secure it back into place. I also destroyed a shit ton of cartilage that had to be cleared out. Recovery sucked and I got fairly depressed for awhile. After 7 long months of rehab I was cleared by my doc and PT. My shoulder works ok now, but I have many limitations. Moral of the story, pushing through the pain is not worth it.

ok thanks man, this sucks but at least he said it dsnt seem like nothing to bad, mri next week will tell. But yea im cutting my cycle short and then pct . Gonna try keep diet clean as much as i can, and do some cardio when posible, 20lbs going to the trash ahh sucks :/

[chopsui]

I've read that because testosterone and steroids cause such rapid growth, it can cause issues like this where certain muscles are trained and grow very fast while others are not and stay weak, causing an imbalance that ends up causing pain/injury.

My advice would be to take it down a few notches man. Not only should you be very very conservative in the gym, being injured isn't exactly the best way to make progress in the gym either. It's kind of pointless because you wont get the results and should things get worse, you will lose ALL your gains because you might get to a point where you can't even lift.

Go easy, finish your cycle but rest man, your body is telling you that you've pushed it past the limit. I'd listen, and take care of the problem. Best of luck with your injury man, find the right doctors and go at it until you get it sorted out. I speak from experience.

[nate10]

I've read that because testosterone and steroids cause such rapid growth, it can cause issues like this where certain muscles are trained and grow very fast while others are not and stay weak, causing an imbalance that ends up causing pain/injury. My advice would be to take it down a few notches man. Not only should you be very very conservative in the gym, being injured isn't exactly the best way to make progress in the gym either. It's kind of pointless because you wont get the results and should things get worse, you will lose ALL your gains because you might get to a point where you can't even lift. Go easy, finish your cycle but rest man, your body is telling you that you've pushed it past the limit. I'd listen, and take care of the problem. Best of luck with your injury man, find the right doctors and go at it until you get it sorted out. I speak from experience.

thanks man and yea i just decided to do only 2 more weeks on test only so the deca clears then wait 2 weeks then pct. im not working out anymore , only doing legs twice a week now, waiting for my mri next week then my ortho review of the mri to decide exactly what im going to do.

[Chauffeur]

thanks man and yea i just decided to do only 2 more weeks on test only so the deca clears then wait 2 weeks then pct. im not working out anymore , only doing legs twice a week now, waiting for my mri next week then my ortho review of the mri to decide exactly what im going to do.

Good luck man. Sounds like you're doing the right thing.

I think it's important to note that while an MRI with arthrogram is a fairly accurate way to detect the presence of a tear, it's not going to give your doctor the full picture in terms of the extent of the injury. He won't be able to know the details until he gets in there.