LeanMeOut's DNP Journal

[LeanMeOut]

Well thanks to KOM, SV-1, Invid and a few others for their great DNP information and to Rambo for pushing me to make a journal, I decided to embark on a short low dose cycle of DNP. I just popped 200mg @ 12 PM Pacific time. I am going to do a 14 day 200mg ED cycle w/ T3 supplementation after day 8 @ 50mcg ED.


Here is my list of supplements for my cycle:


2-10 gram Potassium
ECY x 3
R-ALA - 300-400mgs w/ Biotin
2x Vitamin C @ 1000 mg
3x Vitamin E @ 400 IU
2x Multi Vitamin/Mineral
Calcium @ 1200mg ED
Taurine @ 500 mg ED
Benedril x 1 before bed


My daily diet breakdown will be something like this: 50% Protein, 30% Carbs, 20% Fats

I am going to be drinking 2 gallons of water a day plus crystal light, diet soda, and v8 juice. Wish me luck, I will update this journal daily possibly multiple times to let everyone know how I am doing and what sides I am encountering.


<<LMO>>

[LeanMeOut]

Workouts.....

Depending on how lethargic I am, I plan on lifting at least 4 days a week for higher reps and lighter weight just to fight off catabolism, and I also plan on doing atleast 20 minutes of cardio ED if possible.


<<LMO>>

[Steroids101]

I would suggest going with lower fat ratio's in the diet, but everything else looks spot on. Good luck bro!

[LeanMeOut]

I would suggest going with lower fat ratio's in the diet, but everything else looks spot on. Good luck bro!

OK Sounds good......Possibly then 50% protein, 40% carbsm 10% fat.


<<LMO>>

[rambo]

Looking good, I'm looking forward to monitoring your progress. You did tons of research and prep, and it will hopefully pay off.

[ImmmtheIceman]

looks good. ive been following invids dnp journal, and will do the same for yours. best of luck

[OSTIE]

Looks great LMO. Even though its far away, I am planning on running my next dnp cycle as month long cycle at 400mgs depending on bulking/more research/etc. Since I would be running it longer, I was going to do some research on running t3 with it.

My question is, what made you decide to run t3 after day 8 and what made you run it at 25mcgs?

Thanks and good luck,

-ost

[LeanMeOut]

Looks great LMO. Even though its far away, I am planning on running my next dnp cycle as month long cycle at 400mgs depending on bulking/more research/etc. Since I would be running it longer, I was going to do some research on running t3 with it.

My question is, what made you decide to run t3 after day 8 and what made you run it at 25mcgs?

Thanks and good luck,

-ost

Well most people say @ 200mgs you can run DNP for a whole month and have almost normal thyroid function.... but others say after a week it is basically shut down. Some people say to supplement with 50mcg after a week, so I basically decided to go in between both ideas of do 25mcg after day 8 and see how it goes. I figure at such a low dosage it wont do much damage and will ensure I am still having some thyroid function.


<<LMO>>

[Steroids101]

Dnp slows down conversion of t4 to t3 by about 80% (depends on a lot of factors) after around the 4-5 day, also t3 helps cures the sluggish feeling you feel on dnp. All in all supplementing with it is very beneficial, I personally would go a bit higher to maybe 50mcgs, but 25 is around the amount in your body normally anyways.

[ImmmtheIceman]

Well most people say @ 200mgs you can run DNP for a whole month and have almost normal thyroid function.... but others say after a week it is basically shut down. Some people say to supplement with 50mcg after a week, so I basically decided to go in between both ideas of do 25mcg after day 8 and see how it goes. I figure at such a low dosage it wont do much damage and will ensure I am still having some thyroid function.


<<LMO>>

good reasoning.

[iNvid]

Lookin good lmo, ill be keeping track of your progess. Hit you up in aim in a bit.

[OSTIE]

Thanks for the response.

Another question, I see you are going with a 50/40/10 ratio. This was similar to mine when I was on dnp . It was hard though reaching the amount of calories I wanted. Would you mind posting one of your daily diets if you get a chance thoughout your journal?

Thanks,

-ost

[LeanMeOut]

Well since it is day one and I have already eaten my 1st few meals...... he is a basic diet for today:


Meal 1: Protein Shake, Egg Whites, Oatmeal


Meal 2: Tuna, Mayo, Mustard


Meal 3: Lean Ground Beef, Broccoli, Fish Oil Tabs


Meal 4: Protein Shake, Almonds


PWO: Shake / Dextrose


PPWO: Chicken, Brown Rice


Bed: Shake, Flax Oil







Tomorrows Diet Will Look like this:


Meal 1: Shake, Oatmeal, Egg Whites

Meal 2: Chicken Breast, Gatorade/V8 Juice

Meal 3: Tuna, Mustard, Whole Wheat Bread x 2 slices

Meal 4: Protein Shake, 1 Apple refrigerated

PWO: Shake / Dextrose

PPWO: Chicken, Yam w/ Splenda

Bed: Shake w/ Flax


My off day will have probably 20% fat and 30% carbs as I don't see the need for such high ammounts of carbs on non workout days.....plus a lot of people have told me going overboard on the carbs on DNP is worthless. They said just keep a simple diet ratio of 50/30/20 and you'll see great results.

<<LMO>>

[slizzut]

Goodluck LMO! Stay safe, drink lots and lots of water!

[LeanMeOut]

Goodluck LMO! Stay safe, drink lots and lots of water!

You know it bro



<<LMO>>

[LeanMeOut]

Here is a quote from Einstein1905..... I think this pretty much sums up the debate on carbs while on DNP

I didn't word my response clearly....definitely take in maintenance levels of carbs, but some subscribe to the theory that high carbs will make using DNP more effective (by raising heat).....this just isn't true IMO. Low, but just sufficient, carbs and high protein is best.
By taking in lots of protein, you're providing a supply of amino acids, which will greatly inhibit protein catabolism, and the AA's will also serve as substrate for the mitochondria by conversion to acetyl CoA.
Your brain still wants glucose though, so take in some carbs.

I am going to follow this view

<<LMO>>

[Da Bull]

Look great bro...good luck,and I'll be following this closely!!

[LeanMeOut]

Look great bro...good luck,and I'll be following this closely!!

Thanks DB...... and yes I am a stupid focker for doing DNP right now because it is still like 110 outside ED lol. But I plan on staying in doors as much as possible, and when I do go out I will be in an A/C car


<<LMO>>

[LeanMeOut]

Well I was just surfing on another board and came across this post by one of the most knowledgable DNP experts out there...... this is what he had to say about T3 supplementation and I plan on following this instead of what I posted earlier:

I assume you're referring to the T-3? I think you should use 50-100mcg, the body produces about 75mcg naturally so you're just trying to keep your normal thyroid levels up.
Regards,
-H-

<<LMO>>

[TRIBOL]

good luck bro.

TrIBOL

[Dally]

Well I was just surfing on another board and came across this post by one of the most knowledgable DNP experts out there...... this is what he had to say about T3 supplementation and I plan on following this instead of what I posted earlier:






<<LMO>>

I was just wondering if Mallet would have any way of confirming that for ya man, or at least giving his input on that.

Maybe pm the dude, if you havn't already and see what he says?

later man and of course ... all the best.

[LeanMeOut]

I was just wondering if Mallet would have any way of confirming that for ya man, or at least giving his input on that.

Maybe pm the dude, if you havn't already and see what he says?

later man and of course ... all the best.

Good idea man...... I will do that.


And thanks


<<LMO>>

[SV-1]

OK Sounds good......Possibly then 50% protein, 40% carbsm 10% fat.


<<LMO>>

Hey bro, good luck.

I'd go between 50% protein/40% carbs/10% fat and 60% protein/30% carbs/10% fat. Whatever feels/works best for you.

[LeanMeOut]

Well it has been 9 hours now since I took the DNP and I am actually starting to feel a little hot. It is a strange sensation but it seemed to be caused after I took in my PWO w/ Dextrose in it. Either way I don't really feel anything so far. I will update again tomorrow


<<LMO>>

[SwoleCat]

Well thanks to KOM, SV-1, Invid and a few others for their great DNP information and to Rambo for pushing me to make a journal, I decided to embark on a short low dose cycle of DNP. I just popped 200mg @ 12 PM Pacific time. I am going to do a 14 day 200mg ED cycle w/ T3 supplementation after day 8 @ 50mcg ED.


Here is my list of supplements for my cycle:


2-10 gram Potassium
ECY x 3
R-ALA - 300-400mgs w/ Biotin
2x Vitamin C @ 1000 mg
3x Vitamin E @ 400 IU
2x Multi Vitamin/Mineral
Calcium @ 1200mg ED
Taurine @ 500 mg ED
Benedril x 1 before bed


My daily diet breakdown will be something like this: 50% Protein, 30% Carbs, 20% Fats

I am going to be drinking 2 gallons of water a day plus crystal light, diet soda, and v8 juice. Wish me luck, I will update this journal daily possibly multiple times to let everyone know how I am doing and what sides I am encountering.


<<LMO>>

Interesting.

~SC~

[LeanMeOut]

Interesting.

~SC~

I was waiting for you to view this thread lol..... I told ya I gotta try everything once


<<LMO>>

[SwoleCat]

I was waiting for you to view this thread lol..... I told ya I gotta try everything once


<<LMO>>

2 each his own brutha!

~SC~

[LeanMeOut]

2 each his own brutha!

~SC~

I know your very against the use of this compound but believe me when I say I have done numerous hours of research on it and talked to many experts about the safer, low dose approach to this substance. I like the fact that I can cut off some of the fat I don't want right now, and then have the anabolic rebound effect you get after DNP to gain some more lean mass before I start really dieting for the show


<<LMO>>

[SV-1]

Well it has been 9 hours now since I took the DNP and I am actually starting to feel a little hot. It is a strange sensation but it seemed to be caused after I took in my PWO w/ Dextrose in it. Either way I don't really feel anything so far.

Yeah that's the dextrose (high GI carb). It's a feeling that will become more pronounced the higher your body levels of DNP become.

[kingofmasters]

I assume you're referring to the T-3? I think you should use 50-100mcg, the body produces about 75mcg naturally so you're just trying to keep your normal thyroid levels up.
Regards,
-H-

Well for such an knowledgable DNP expert...

(Although I know him )

He should have known it is 75-100 mcg T4!!!!
(If I were you I would not take Advice from somebody who doesn't know anything on Thyroid-support).

Ratio T3:T4 is 1:4 (meaning 40 mcg T4 under optimal conditions can become 10 mcg T3)
so total is about 25 mcg Natural Production in a healthy human being!
Try 3,5-T2 to combat lethargy or for people who aren't prone to cardio-vasculardiseases (BP history in family etc.) Ephedrine/Cafeine/yohimbine!
(or the recipe as with the E/C/Y/G/A mentioned).

Not to mention that T3 supplied in small quantaties is very suppresive on your Thyroid!!
(So your doing more harm than good! --> Unless you are correcting your thyroid by for instance having a normal production of 30 mcg per day and on DNP having 20 mcg per day so you supplement 10 mcg!!
The only simple way to Correct your thyroid is by monitoring BBT
Halleluja Praise Mallet!).

Either go all out with T3 or leave it! (unless correcting it)!

And Animals Diet-approach is nonsense --> Like I said DNP is non-hormonal so shifting Nutrients would make no sense! (unless for the comfort-factor like feeling hot after carbs).

I'm Glad Einstein confirmed this...

Greets
Kingofmasters

[Steroids101]

Hey KOM, Im not sure who wrote this, but could you possibly explain how this could be wrong? I realize that dnp isn't hormonal, but what implacations does that have on wether or not you should change your diet?

Here's the proof as to WHY having a HIGH CARB intake while on DNP(if Kcal's are kept the same) is BETTER.

Before I start, Stew, Macro, Cockedzl, Andy etc...
THIS IS AN APPROXIMATION since all bodily processess
are ineffective andtend to entropy.(become chaotic)

Ok, Lets Use Bodybuilder 1 and Bodybuilder 2.

Bodybuilder 1 eats 2000Kcal/day composed of 60% carbs,
30% protein, 10% fat

Bodybuilder 2 eats 2000Kcal/day composed of 40% fat/30%
protein/ 30% carbs (Basically a zone-type diet)

Now:

Carbs convert to glucose with 100% efficiency
Protein converts to glucose with 58% efficiency and the
rest is ketones.
Fat converts to glucose at 10% and the rest are ketones.

Ketones btw=Fats

DNP, btw BURNS DIETARY FAT BEFORE STORED FAT.
REMEMBER that fact!!!!!

So,

Bodybuilder 1 produces the following by-products:

60% carbs / 2000Kcal= 1200Kcal/4Kcal/g=300g glucose(carbs)
30% protein/2000Kcal= 600Kcal/4Kcal/g=150g protein,
*0.58%= 87g glucose and 63g ketones.
10% Fat/ 2000Kcal= 200Kcal/9Kcal/g= 22.g * 0.1%= 0.2g
glucose and 2g Ketones.

So, total for bodybuilder 1:

Total Glucose: 387.2g glucose
Total Ketones: 65g Ketones

Bodybuilder 2 produces the following by-products:

30% carbs/ 2000Kcal= 600/4= 150g glucose
30% protein/ 2000 Kcal = 600/4 = 150g protein * 0.58%= 87g
glucose and 67g ketones
40% Fat/ 2000Kcal = 800/9Kcal/g= 88.9g Fat = 8.9g glucose
and 80g ketones.

Total glucose: 245.9g glucose
Total Ketones: 147g Ketones


NOW, LETS COMPARE

HIGHER CARB:

Total glucose: 387.2g glucose
Total Ketones: 65g Ketones

HIGHER FAT:

Total glucose: 245.9g lucose
Total Ketones: 147g Ketones

WHAT DOES DNP ULTIMATELY DO? Render the conversion of
glucose to ATP into HEAT PRODUCTION.

So, bodybuilder 1: Carbs= Heat
Ketones= 65g*7Kcal/g= 455Kcal

And, Bodybuilder 2: Carbs= Heat
Ketones= 147g*7Kcal/g= 1017.5Kcal

(Ketones btw=oxidized fatty acids that yield 7Kcal/gram)

NOW, can you see the MASSIVE DIFFERENCE!!!!!!

Bodybuilder1 WILL CREATE an EXTRA 562.5Kcal
deficit just by macro-nutrient manipulation.
Thats approx. 124% more calories dissipated than
bodybuilder 2. That means MORE ADIPOSE TISSUE
BURNT FOR FUEL.

Therefore, following a high-carb diet while on DNP will increase
adipose tissue burning through caloric dissipation.

Godspeed

[slizzut]

Well for such an knowledgable DNP expert...

(Although I know him )

He should have known it is 75-100 mcg T4!!!!
(If I were you I would not take Advice from somebody who doesn't know anything on Thyroid-support).

Ratio T3:T4 is 1:4 (meaning 40 mcg T4 under optimal conditions can become 10 mcg T3)
so total is about 25 mcg Natural Production in a healthy human being!
Try 3,5-T2 to combat lethargy or for people who aren't prone to cardio-vasculardiseases (BP history in family etc.) Ephedrine/Cafeine/yohimbine!
(or the recipe as with the E/C/Y/G/A mentioned).

Not to mention that T3 supplied in small quantaties is very suppresive on your Thyroid!!
(So your doing more harm than good! --> Unless you are correcting your thyroid by for instance having a normal production of 30 mcg per day and on DNP having 20 mcg per day so you supplement 10 mcg!!
The only simple way to Correct your thyroid is by monitoring BBT
Halleluja Praise Mallet!).

Either go all out with T3 or leave it! (unless correcting it)!

And Animals Diet-approach is nonsense --> Like I said DNP is non-hormonal so shifting Nutrients would make no sense! (unless for the comfort-factor like feeling hot after carbs).

I'm Glad Einstein confirmed this...

Greets
Kingofmasters

Thats good advice, king.. you kno ur ****.

[kingofmasters]

Hey KOM, Im not sure who wrote this, but could you possibly explain how this could be wrong? I realize that dnp isn't hormonal, but what implacations does that have on wether or not you should change your diet?

Well if Diet-aids are hormonal, nutrientshifting is positive depending on Hormones affected!
For instance if a certain compound raises Insuline, it would be stupid to follow a high-fat diet if the subject wants to cut!!
If it raises Cortisol it would be stupid NOT to supply enough glucose and water (to lower the potential catabolism from the Cortisol) etc.
Somewhere along the way a lot of myths have sneaked in regarding
DNP usage like the metabolism boost that I explained
(the Story about 3% boost by ephedrine and 75% by DNP which is false).

Here's the proof as to WHY having a HIGH CARB intake while on DNP(if Kcal's are kept the same) is BETTER.

Before I start, Stew, Macro, Cockedzl, Andy etc...
THIS IS AN APPROXIMATION since all bodily processess
are ineffective andtend to entropy.(become chaotic)

Ok, Lets Use Bodybuilder 1 and Bodybuilder 2.

Bodybuilder 1 eats 2000Kcal/day composed of 60% carbs,
30% protein, 10% fat

Bodybuilder 2 eats 2000Kcal/day composed of 40% fat/30%
protein/ 30% carbs (Basically a zone-type diet)

Now:

Carbs convert to glucose with 100% efficiency
Protein converts to glucose with 58% efficiency and the
rest is ketones.
Fat converts to glucose at 10% and the rest are ketones.

Ketones btw=Fats

DNP, btw BURNS DIETARY FAT BEFORE STORED FAT.
REMEMBER that fact!!!!!

So,

Bodybuilder 1 produces the following by-products:

60% carbs / 2000Kcal= 1200Kcal/4Kcal/g=300g glucose(carbs)
30% protein/2000Kcal= 600Kcal/4Kcal/g=150g protein,
*0.58%= 87g glucose and 63g ketones.
10% Fat/ 2000Kcal= 200Kcal/9Kcal/g= 22.g * 0.1%= 0.2g
glucose and 2g Ketones.

So, total for bodybuilder 1:

Total Glucose: 387.2g glucose
Total Ketones: 65g Ketones

Bodybuilder 2 produces the following by-products:

30% carbs/ 2000Kcal= 600/4= 150g glucose
30% protein/ 2000 Kcal = 600/4 = 150g protein * 0.58%= 87g
glucose and 67g ketones
40% Fat/ 2000Kcal = 800/9Kcal/g= 88.9g Fat = 8.9g glucose
and 80g ketones.

Total glucose: 245.9g glucose
Total Ketones: 147g Ketones


NOW, LETS COMPARE

HIGHER CARB:

Total glucose: 387.2g glucose
Total Ketones: 65g Ketones

HIGHER FAT:

Total glucose: 245.9g lucose
Total Ketones: 147g Ketones

WHAT DOES DNP ULTIMATELY DO? Render the conversion of
glucose to ATP into HEAT PRODUCTION.

So, bodybuilder 1: Carbs= Heat
Ketones= 65g*7Kcal/g= 455Kcal

And, Bodybuilder 2: Carbs= Heat
Ketones= 147g*7Kcal/g= 1017.5Kcal

(Ketones btw=oxidized fatty acids that yield 7Kcal/gram)

NOW, can you see the MASSIVE DIFFERENCE!!!!!!

Bodybuilder1 WILL CREATE an EXTRA 562.5Kcal
deficit just by macro-nutrient manipulation.
Thats approx. 124% more calories dissipated than
bodybuilder 2. That means MORE ADIPOSE TISSUE
BURNT FOR FUEL.

Therefore, following a high-carb diet while on DNP will increase
adipose tissue burning through caloric dissipation.

Godspeed

While he is right about the Nutrienteffeciency
(Well Carbs to Glucose is <100% effeciency and actually 100 gram Protein in optimal conditions yields 55 grams of Glucose) but this applies to any diet!!!
(Why I Posted studies, You know I love talking about proteins!! , about High-protein Diets being the most effective for people who lost weight to maintain that state) It just is that he:

1) Puts it too simple (I wish the human body would be as simple as that!!)

Its like saying: Don't eat for a week and you will shed fat
(Yes offcourse you will shed fat!!, but you will also catabolize muscles).

So He doesn't keep in account:
1) Proteins used for enzymesystem, Hormonalsystem and Immunesystem
(So the "maintanence" Proteinintake).
2) Possible Anabolism
(So when training hard you can actually build muscletissue)
3) Possible Catabolism
4) Ketones use in body
(and the PH-factor in blood that should be restored not to mention the fatigue it can cause).
5) Exerted Calcium etc.

The list goes on....

The Writer puts all too simple...

And although i see his point for a part (although he glorifies his calculations)!
The thing he says is CARBS = HEAT (and so he doesn't take in account the other "unneeded" nutrients like fats and carbs!!).
Is he forgetting that the caloric defict on DNP is so great that almost all surplus on intake is burned as well? (unless following either an extremely HIGH calories diet with an extremely LOW dose DNP dosage).

If I were him I would use the old laws of Ergogenetics for dieting...
Meaning the effeciency that he talks about is how he should keep his diet for optimal fatburning (Protein is most ineffecient for energy so it should be highest, followed by fat and then Carbos; especially Fast Carbos!).
(Why the 1980's High Carb+Low fat diets SUCKED )

But seeing the practical reasons of getting hypo, and the nauseated state one can become in along with the foul taste in mouth and the soothing of the so-called cravings (which I never had) We do Medium Carbs...
And then more as a precautionary thing (and because of its ineffeciency as to be stored as adipose tissue) we use High Protein to combat catabolism (It's more because the lethargy and the lack of motivation to train that Protein has to be high!).

So Ultimateley for Practical Reason and as always SV-1 is da man!
HIGH protein/Medium carbs/Low fat

Greets
Kingofmasters

[Steroids101]

Well if Diet-aids are hormonal, nutrientshifting is positive depending on Hormones affected!
For instance if a certain compound raises Insuline, it would be stupid to follow a high-fat diet if the subject wants to cut!!
If it raises Cortisol it would be stupid NOT to supply enough glucose and water (to lower the potential catabolism from the Cortisol) etc.
Somewhere along the way a lot of myths have sneaked in regarding
DNP usage like the metabolism boost that I explained
(the Story about 3% boost by ephedrine and 75% by DNP which is false).

Ahhhh, ok I understand what you meant now. Whenever I hear the word "hormone" I immediatly think of sex hormones, lol!

[kingofmasters]

Thats good advice, king.. you kno ur ****.

Thanks bro, I appreciate the support...

[SV-1]

So Ultimateley for Practical Reason and as always SV-1 is da man!
HIGH protein/Medium carbs/Low fat

Greets
Kingofmasters

Thanks bro. But I don't think me coming to that conclusion through trial and error makes me da man.

[LeanMeOut]

Well I am still here.......


Day 2, just took my second dosage. I don't feel a thing yet honestly.... just a little heat after my oatmeal this morning that's about it. No real sweating yet, and I slept like a baby last night. So on we will go......... I'll post later as this second dosage kicks in


<<LMO>>

[Da Bull]

Very nice thread so far...with KOM adding his thoughts,just makes this thread richer!

[LeanMeOut]

Well there should be approximately 326mg of DNP in my blood right now.....honestly I still feel fine and I am not hot or sweating yet. It has been 8 hours since the second dosage..... I will post back again in a few hours before bed


<<LMO>>

[LeanMeOut]

Well today is day 3, took my 3rd dose of 200mg.

So far I have not seen any real side effects and I am still not sweating when I am in doors and in the a/c with my fan on. I have been sleeping great at night, and no real heat sensations from carbs. Just slight ammounts of heat and that's it. I am still going to stick with my doseage of 200mg though because I can definitely feel it working as I am already down a few pounds and my stomach is constantly burning because I am hungry. Other than that no sides thus far..... I will update later. I should have about 405mg of DNP in my blood today.


<<LMO>>