A personal disaster

**dabigcheese** · 05-04-2005, 05:08 AM

Hi. I haven't posted very often here. I thought I'd share my experience with a cycle that I started last Saturday. I had done two cycles prior to this; both went reasonably well.

My new cycle was : Test Enanthate 700 mg/week, D-Bol 20 mg/day. My goal was to add about 20Lbs in a month.

It started well and I seemed to add about 4lbs in the first four days (not much water retention because I was using Nolva @40mg/day from day 1). On the fifth day, however, (i.e. yesterday) I could sense my pulse rising too high, so I didn't take D-bol which I had figured was the cause of it.

However, by yesterday evening my pulse was at 120 beats/min, resting. I panicked. I drove down to the local emergency centre and had myself checked in. They ran a few tests. The tests did not show anything worrisome. But my pulse rate remained high. I was discharged from hospital last night at about midnight and then came back home. Couldn't sleep and felt my pulse rising again. So I drove back to the hospital and got myself re-admitted. I have only just been released. My pulse is still close to 100 but dropping slowly.

I had to admit to the doc that I was on juice. He took the information in and then later had a conversation with me before discharging me. He asked me, predictably, never to touch steroids again.

I won't after this experience.

**shango88** · 05-04-2005, 05:48 AM

First thing that makes me think of is that the gear wasnt legit. I had a friend that went through a similar situation and it turned out what he was shooting was not test or even a steroid .
Did you have your gear tested?

**dabigcheese** · 05-04-2005, 06:11 AM

Shang,

Thats a very good question. The source from which I ordered it has never failed to deliver on time and quality. The Test I was using was British Dragon Test Cyp.

It was definitely Test because I felt an enormous increase in my libido.

**dabigcheese** · 05-04-2005, 06:13 AM

Originally Posted by shango88

First thing that makes me think of is that the gear wasnt legit. I had a friend that went through a similar situation and it turned out what he was shooting was not test or even a steroid .
Did you have your gear tested?

What was your friend shooting? I didn't get it tested although I guess I could.

The amazing thing is, the vial I was using was from my previous cycle. I had not finished the entire vial (its a 10ml vial @ 200mg/ml). And there were no adverse reactions the last time.

**shango88** · 05-04-2005, 06:22 AM

Originally Posted by dabigcheese

What was your friend shooting? I didn't get it tested although I guess I could.

The amazing thing is, the vial I was using was from my previous cycle. I had not finished the entire vial (its a 10ml vial @ 200mg/ml). And there were no adverse reactions the last time.

What my friend had turned out to be some sort of horse tranquilizer.
Your right that it doesnt make sense if you had already used the same vial, unless it got contaminated somehow. Anytime I hear something like this it just makes me think the gear is junk. Im not sure. I hope you feel better and it is probably a good idea to stop for awhile and let your body recoup.

**dabigcheese** · 05-04-2005, 06:47 AM

I haven't heard of Testosterone jacking up the heart rate like that. I have read tons of literature on Test. The closest any literature gets to this is on the question of Blood Pressure.

But I think if one can control (or prevent) salt and water retention by using Nolva or Clomid, one shouldn't really get high BP from test except in the most ridiculous dosages.

My BP was found to be absolutely normal consistently yesterday. But the heart rate was through the roof.

**Trackman 37** · 05-04-2005, 08:28 AM

Hey Bro, hope everything works out for you. I'm in week 7 of 12 of my first cycle using Test C at 500 mg per week. I got mine with a script through a pharmacy, I pay through the teeth but at least I know exactly what I'm putting into my body in case something does go wrong.

**dabigcheese** · 05-04-2005, 08:33 AM

Trackman,

Thanks. I do think though that I had the genuine article. This was a partially used vial (stored properly) that was used for this cycle. During the last cycle there were no such problems. The only difference is that I used 500 mg/week of TC in the previous cycle.

This time I used 700 mg/week.

**Trackman 37** · 05-04-2005, 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by dabigcheese

Trackman,

Thanks. I do think though that I had the genuine article. This was a partially used vial (stored properly) that was used for this cycle. During the last cycle there were no such problems. The only difference is that I used 500 mg/week of TC in the previous cycle.

This time I used 700 mg/week.

I'm no expert but what I have read I wouldn't think upping the dosage to that amount should have caused your pulse to race. At any rate you did the right thing having it checked out and maybe you have to give up the idea of AAS. There are worst things in life, I'm 38 and just doing my first cycle now, I could bench nearly 400 pounds while weighting 180 prior to the cycle so a lot can be accomplished without AAS if that is the route you need to take.

**fighteveryone** · 05-04-2005, 08:52 AM

anxiety may be the culprit. sometimes on juice i get anxiety attacks and i feel like my heart is going to explode.

any history of heart problems in your family?

**dabigcheese** · 05-04-2005, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by Trackman 37

I'm no expert but what I have read I wouldn't think upping the dosage to that amount should have caused your pulse to race. At any rate you did the right thing having it checked out and maybe you have to give up the idea of AAS. There are worst things in life, I'm 38 and just doing my first cycle now, I could bench nearly 400 pounds while weighting 180 prior to the cycle so a lot can be accomplished without AAS if that is the route you need to take.

Thats the route I want to take now. I have had a think about it and Ive decided it ain't worth it taking those risks. I mean I could switch to safer stuff like deca and in lower dosages for steady gains but then there's always a chance that the deca may also be spiked. I would never be able to eliminate the risks.

I am an extreme ectomorph. When i first started lifting I stood at 110 Lbs (Im 6 feet tall). The two cycles have let me move on to 160 Lbs. Id like to keep growing. But life isn't perfect I guess.

**dabigcheese** · 05-04-2005, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by fighteveryone

anxiety may be the culprit. sometimes on juice i get anxiety attacks and i feel like my heart is going to explode.

any history of heart problems in your family?

There is but its usually been because of unhealthy lifestyles and bad diets (plus no exercise).

Anxiety could be a culprit here. But the heart rate would have dropped quickly once I spoke to the doctor and he confirmed that the tests came out OK. It didn't. My current rate is still just a touch over 100. My normal rate (without juice or after coming off the juice) is about 73.

**dabigcheese** · 05-04-2005, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by fighteveryone

anxiety may be the culprit. sometimes on juice i get anxiety attacks and i feel like my heart is going to explode.

any history of heart problems in your family?

Do you check your pulse when you get the anxiety attacks?

**shango88** · 05-04-2005, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by fighteveryone

anxiety may be the culprit. sometimes on juice i get anxiety attacks and i feel like my heart is going to explode.

any history of heart problems in your family?

Good call.
Ive had anxiety attacks before also. My heart raced through the roof. I didnt even think of that. Ive never had them while on cycle tho.

**pyschomab** · 05-04-2005, 07:37 PM

wow !! take garlic pills!!

**powerbodybuilder** · 05-05-2005, 05:39 PM

Take some primo,masteron .

**dabigcheese** · 05-06-2005, 01:56 AM

Originally Posted by powerbodybuilder

Take some primo,masteron.

I thinking of Deca actually.

**TheDfromGC** · 05-06-2005, 06:03 AM

health always come first, get rid of the gear and see if u can figure out what went wrong, if u can, try and fix it or work around it, if not, stick to the protein powder and natural supplements

**damiongage** · 05-06-2005, 06:57 AM

soundslike anxiety to me...I get them some times. And I do not care what the docter says, I am not fine...I am going to die. Even though I never do. Try to get a xanax, a warm bath, and some Bob Marley.

If this solves your problem then it is anxiety.

**dabigcheese** · 05-08-2005, 08:36 AM

My pulse is back to 72 beats a min. I had injected 700 mgs of TE last Saturday (eight days ago precisely).

**groundandpoundpwr21** · 05-08-2005, 01:27 PM

6ft tall and 160 pounds? How old are you, you are probably way to young for this and at 6ft yuor genetic potential should take you to atleast 180 opr your diet is wrong and your malnurished. Second nolva does nothing for water retention! That first 4 pounds probably is water and that can raise your blood pressure, you want to keep the water off try adex or letro.

**Neo22** · 05-08-2005, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by dabigcheese

Shang,

It was definitely Test because I felt an enormous increase in my libido.

This makes me think your full of shit. YOu were on your 5th day and yet you already had an increase in libido from Cypionate ? We are not talking PROP here.

**dabigcheese** · 05-09-2005, 07:59 AM

Originally Posted by groundandpoundpwr21

6ft tall and 160 pounds? How old are you, you are probably way to young for this and at 6ft yuor genetic potential should take you to atleast 180 opr your diet is wrong and your malnurished. Second nolva does nothing for water retention! That first 4 pounds probably is water and that can raise your blood pressure, you want to keep the water off try adex or letro.

28. Have always been skinny. I was 120 lbs when I started lifting three years ago. I put on some muscle initially - about 5 lbs without steroids but not much else. Diet: about 3500-4000 cals daily - eat more than 270/280 grams of protein divided into six meals.

**dabigcheese** · 05-09-2005, 08:00 AM

Originally Posted by groundandpoundpwr21

6ft tall and 160 pounds? How old are you, you are probably way to young for this and at 6ft yuor genetic potential should take you to atleast 180 opr your diet is wrong and your malnurished. Second nolva does nothing for water retention! That first 4 pounds probably is water and that can raise your blood pressure, you want to keep the water off try adex or letro.

Blood Pressure never went over 124/85 throughout.

**dabigcheese** · 05-09-2005, 08:02 AM

Originally Posted by Neo22

This makes me think your full of shit. YOu were on your 5th day and yet you already had an increase in libido from Cypionate? We are not talking PROP here.

Libido has almost always begun to increase by the third or fourth day in my case. This is consistent with the two cycles I did before.

**PrimoPup** · 05-26-2005, 07:37 PM

Sounds to me like you talked yourself into having an Anxiety attack, and yes they can be scary, if there was anything wrong with you the ER would have never let you go.!!!