from zero to hero !

**below zero** · 02-10-2007, 05:05 AM

The ambitions stays the same, my 'mission' stays the same. but the AAS will be dropped togheter with DNP and other meds.

Quited to day. Thanx guys.

Where can I start a result thread when im clean?
Its good to get critics.

// just a zero.

**below zero** · 02-10-2007, 05:06 AM

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**king6** · 02-10-2007, 08:49 AM

I think most people, myself included, will tell you to gain as much as you can natty and that you are not ready for a cycle. But if you must, then I would drop the fat naturally, and not use DNP especially while running a cycle.

**IBdmfkr** · 02-10-2007, 10:01 AM

You doing a cycle? haha

Get off your ass and start training properly and eating correctly, show some dedication that you can actually change your body naturally before you jump on drugs. People like you crack me up that get on cycles, gain a little size and then lose everything when they come off cycle.

Goodluck lol

**below zero** · 02-10-2007, 10:15 AM

I have no defence there..
That is the right way offcourse.
But I do know how to make it clean. I've been doing it for many years before.

about the DNP I have used it many times in many different ways before.

I can swear I have more knowlige and more experince than many other in here. Its just that I have put it on ice for many years.
And I also know that there are unbeliveble many people that has much greater knowledge than I do.
But I still got enough to go thru with this..

**IBdmfkr** · 02-10-2007, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by below zero

I have no defence there.. I know you don't you've let yourself go and think you can fix it with drugs.
That is the right way offcourse. So you realize that but choose to do otherwise?
But I do know how to make it clean. I've been doing it for many years before.
Then repeat that process and put in the work and achieve a good body again, there is no need for drugs at this point.
about the DNP I have used it many times in many different ways before.

I can swear I have more knowlige and more experince than many other in here. Its just that I have put it on ice for many years.
You may have knowledge but you have no dedication, you won't last long this time around either I suspect.
And I also know that there are unbeliveble many people that has much greater knowledge than I do.
But I still got enough to go thru with this..

Have fun with your cycle. I'd love to see pics at the end of your cycle and then 6months after your cycle, that is considering your even stay clean for that long afterwards.

I'd atleast go to the doctor and have bloodwork done before and after if I were you, atleast do one thing smart here.

**below zero** · 02-10-2007, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by IBdmfkr

Have fun with your cycle. I'd love to see pics at the end of your cycle and then 6months after your cycle, that is considering your even stay clean for that long afterwards.

I'd atleast go to the doctor and have bloodwork done before and after if I were you, atleast do one thing smart here.

i Did see a doctor before I started. did do al the bloodwork and will ofcourse do it again afterwards.
As I said Ive been doing this for many years before... for 11 years. six years later not even you would look like a BB

I will follow up with clean training... To be honest so is traing me... Not the other guy I was for 6 years.

**king6** · 02-10-2007, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by below zero

week:
1-4 DNP crystal starting with 300 mg and then will see.
2-6 Dianabol @ 50 mg ED
4-? Teto cyp @ 500mg EW
4-? tren E @ 400 mg EW

I didn't even fully look at your cycle. But now I have to take issue. We have established that you should not be juicing. But you are a grown man and you can make your own decisions. With that in mind I will try to help you correct this cycle. It is very simple. Drop everything except the Test C. Run Test cyp for 12 weeks @ 250mg twice a week. Don't use tren , you are not ready. 400mg/week of tren e is a lot for a beginner. And you mentioned you want to keep your water weight down, so then why are you running Dbol ? I also don't see Nolva or an AI in there. I would drop the Dbol as well. DNP is not a good idea just to burn fat. It is very dangerous if used incorrectly. Just drop the fat with diet and cardio. Even if you have used DNP before that is not a good reason to use it now.

**king6** · 02-10-2007, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by below zero

six years later not even you would look like a BB

Have you even seen pictures of him?

I would heed his advice, he is a big dude.

**zodiac666** · 02-10-2007, 10:54 AM

how long had you been back into training before you started your cycle?

**pwerfll1** · 02-10-2007, 10:56 AM

lots of help bro

**IBdmfkr** · 02-10-2007, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by below zero

i Did see a doctor before I started. did do al the bloodwork and will ofcourse do it again afterwards.
As I said Ive been doing this for many years before... for 11 years. six years later not even you would look like a BB

I will follow up with clean training... To be honest so is traing me... Not the other guy I was for 6 years.

I wouldn't let myself go for 6 years but that's beside the point.
Have any pics of yourself 6years ago?

Btw, goodluck with the cycle. Looks like you have your mind made up.
If your wife knows so much about juicing, I'd suggest you ask her to help you setup a proper cycle. The one above doesn't even make sense.

DNP with an oral used for bulking? You won't use Deca because of the bloat but you'll use Dianabol ? lol
You're starting the Test cyp at week 4. That makes a lot of sense, do you know the difference between short and long esters.

**chest6** · 02-10-2007, 10:59 PM

You've got these pics. Have any pics at your peak when you "knew what you were doing?"

**below zero** · 02-11-2007, 03:11 AM

Originally Posted by king6

I didn't even fully look at your cycle. But now I have to take issue. We have established that you should not be juicing. But you are a grown man and you can make your own decisions. With that in mind I will try to help you correct this cycle. It is very simple. Drop everything except the Test C. Run Test cyp for 12 weeks @ 250mg twice a week. Don't use tren, you are not ready. 400mg/week of tren e is a lot for a beginner. And you mentioned you want to keep your water weight down, so then why are you running Dbol? I also don't see Nolva or an AI in there. I would drop the Dbol as well. DNP is not a good idea just to burn fat. It is very dangerous if used incorrectly. Just drop the fat with diet and cardio. Even if you have used DNP before that is not a good reason to use it now.

While on DNP I will hold water anyways. so thats why I dont mind dboll at that time. and btw I dont hold much water on dbal. but I do on deca .
I have nolva, but will only use it in case of gyno.
Who says its not good to cut on d-bal? many people yes but have everyone tried it? its ok for me.
I have all the knowlige of using DNP in a safe way. (as safe as it can be)

**below zero** · 02-11-2007, 03:25 AM

Originally Posted by IBdmfkr

I wouldn't let myself go for 6 years but that's beside the point.
Have any pics of yourself 6years ago?

Btw, goodluck with the cycle. Looks like you have your mind made up.
If your wife knows so much about juicing, I'd suggest you ask her to help you setup a proper cycle. The one above doesn't even make sense.

DNP with an oral used for bulking? You won't use Deca because of the bloat but you'll use Dianabol ? lol
You're starting the Test cyp at week 4. That makes a lot of sense, do you know the difference between short and long esters.

I know you probelbly wouldnt let go, but if.
I know you guys know what you are talking about. I read alot of yor posts.
as I said before there is nothing wrong with dbal for cutting. (once the water is gone.. But I hold water on DNP to...) after that I will try to keep water dowm as much as possible without AI. Got nolva on hand.
I would start test from week, but I got this for free if I waited.
Tren E I would start later with because I sweat as crazy at nights with tren. And it doesnt suite me while on DNP.

Everything you write to me I think about for real...

You see I would not normaly do like this.. I kinda paniced...
So this was my plan but the more time I get to think about it the more I realize It might not be worth it because I will get good results without AAS And others.

so I thinking about drop the long esters and maybe run something very short in the begining here.. My I want those legs to be 'symetric' with the rest of the body. prior legs for totally 8 weeks or so then drop everything?

Im keep thinking..

Thanx guys.

its totally ok.. even good.

**below zero** · 02-11-2007, 03:27 AM

I would be glad to post some old pics And I will try to as they're al with on old camera so I need to use a scanner or what its called...

I will try to.

**number twelve** · 02-11-2007, 04:23 PM

that would be very interesting to see what you used to look like.
from those pics u posted earlier, i would say you have never touched a weight and you should def stay natural for a while.

**Hellmaskbanned** · 02-11-2007, 05:27 PM

IMO, the only anabolic you should take is food.

Workout for 4 years and you might be ready for AS.

**bpm1** · 02-11-2007, 06:19 PM

seriously bro by your own admission you are always running to drugs for something you want. do yourself a favor and workout natty for at least a year, just so you can see what you can do ON YOUR OWN! bro most of us have worked out for years without anything but supps you can buy at a healthfood store. seriosly you need to know what it feels like to look in the mirror and know that YOU DID THAT ALL BY YOURSELF!, and to have guys ask if your roiding and just smile because you know you just work harder and eat better than they do. seriously you are cheating yourself if you dont at least try that way.

**goose** · 02-11-2007, 06:54 PM

Originally Posted by IBdmfkr

I wouldn't let myself go for 6 years but that's beside the point.
Have any pics of yourself 6years ago?

Btw, goodluck with the cycle. Looks like you have your mind made up.
If your wife knows so much about juicing, I'd suggest you ask her to help you setup a proper cycle. The one above doesn't even make sense.

DNP with an oral used for bulking? You won't use Deca because of the bloat but you'll use Dianabol ? lol
You're starting the Test cyp at week 4. That makes a lot of sense, do you know the difference between short and long esters.

Agreed,please listen to this guy.

Your going from zero to plain stupid.

**below zero** · 02-12-2007, 10:43 AM

back to my roots..

**below zero** · 02-12-2007, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by bpm1

seriously bro by your own admission you are always running to drugs for something you want. do yourself a favor and workout natty for at least a year, just so you can see what you can do ON YOUR OWN! bro most of us have worked out for years without anything but supps you can buy at a healthfood store. seriosly you need to know what it feels like to look in the mirror and know that YOU DID THAT ALL BY YOURSELF!, and to have guys ask if your roiding and just smile because you know you just work harder and eat better than they do. seriously you are cheating yourself if you dont at least try that way.

thanx.
back to old shool hardcore lifting and diets from other planets. done it before, just hope I can do it again...