First Cycle Test E

[Totalrecall24]

Hey guys and gals,

Today I started a 12 week cycle of just Test E .
My plan:
400/mg Week for 10 weeks
I have nolvadex for PCT
Arimidex is on its way for emergency's only if Gyno Appears but I do not expect this.

Age: 24
Weight: 150lbs
Height 5'8

Macros: 297g carbs
250 protein
73g fat

Nutrition is tough for me, my appetite has never been great but im hoping the test increasing hunger.

Wish me luck. Any advice is welcomed!

[Totalrecall24]

Today was first pin of 400mg Test E. I was nervous as hell and have a 23g 1.5inch syringe and at first the size of the needle freaked me out. But i got over it , loaded up the test e as instructed through several videos and went for it. I was shaky and am lucky my first pin came out ok, I aspirated and did not find any blood. It looks like many people actually split up there pins into twice a week of lets say 200mg but i perfer just to get it over with and my glute is only somewhat sore with slight discomfort but nothing unbearable. I have read that this will probably go away in a couple days and it will take some getting used to.

Attached you will find my photos taken just yesterday, I have been working out for about 9 months and have made solid gains but its time to go a step further and realize more. I understand that my frame should be developed over a longer time but I feel at least personally, that now is a good time to kick it up a notch.

[Totalrecall24]

Pictures taken 1/27/17 . Before test.

[kelkel]

Welcome TR.

You need to take some time and read this sticky thread and fill in the gaps in your plan. Don't sell yourself short, use adex from day one. It's to prevent problems from occurring in the first place, not after the fact. Some guys will never get gyno but it still does not mean the they don't need an AI. The more damaging effects of high estrogen are internal, not external.

And why, after only 9 months of working out do you feel you need to cycle? Why so impatient TR?

[Totalrecall24]

My experience with lifting is longer then 9 months. But it was never consistent. Ever since I was 17 I was lifting so I have been lifting for a long time. I have always had steroids in mind but new that because i couldnt stay consistent with working out and the fact that i was so young it wasnt the right time. But now I feel I have developed a good frame and am in a good place to begin using steroids correctly and responsibly. Minimizing negative effects and increasing benefits.

I appreciate your quick reply and opinion. I have a good understanding of PCT but what I do have trouble understanding managing estrogen while on the cycle. Maybe you can help me understand?

When it comes to AI i know there are several options. I have seen alot about arimidex , which is why i decided to get it but what are the proper dosages for someone just starting. I havent gotton blood tests before cycle but about 4 weeks in I will be getting one to make sure levels are where they should be.

Can you help me determine dosage for arimdex. And is Hcg necessary?

Thank you .

[Back In Black]

Read this

My First Cycle: Planning and Executing a Successful First Cycle

Then implement it all including the AI, HCG and add Clomid to your pct.

[Totalrecall24]

Yes it implements it all, but is all needed for a first cycle and only at 400 mg test? I know alot of ppl like stacking clomid with nolvadex but many seem happy with just nolvadex as opposed to clomid becuase of sides. I have a friend that is currently stacking test with another injection but he is only using tomoxifin cintrate, during and for pct, is that proper?

[Totalrecall24]

Day 2. Toward the end of day 1 I began to feel the soreness in location of my first pin. Today my right glute has been sore throughout the day but nothing to bad. You can feel it more when sitting or putting pressure on it but overall its fine and doesnt bother me much.

Lifted at gym this morning and did Back and Biceps. Walked in feeling good, the workout itself was average and the pump in back was no more then normal, Biceps didnt have much of a pump at all. My form and all is always good so today was just one of those days i guess.

Tomorrow is shoulders and Traps (my favorite areas)

I will post result pictures once a week .

My AI and Hcg should be here in no more then two weeks but I do have nolva on hand. Do you think I should use nolva while on cycle until my AI and Hcg arrive? If so what should be my dosage and when AI and HCG arrive what is your advice on them as far as dosage and timing.

Thanks alot!

[kelkel]

Yes it implements it all, but is all needed for a first cycle and only at 400 mg test? I know alot of ppl like stacking clomid with nolvadex but many seem happy with just nolvadex as opposed to clomid becuase of sides. I have a friend that is currently stacking test with another injection but he is only using tomoxifin cintrate, during and for pct, is that proper?

Yes, it's needed if you want to optimize your recovery. 400 mg test shuts you down just as much as a gram of test does. Shut down is shut down. Just because other guys do things half-way doesn't mean you should.

Your friend is not to bright. Tamox is not an AI and will do nothing to control estrogen from rising. Follow the link provided as it's about the best guide for a first cycle that you'll find on the internet.

[Totalrecall24]

Yes, it's needed if you want to optimize your recovery. 400 mg test shuts you down just as much as a gram of test does. Shut down is shut down. Just because other guys do things half-way doesn't mean you should.

Your friend is not to bright. Tamox is not an AI and will do nothing to control estrogen from rising. Follow the link provided as it's about the best guide for a first cycle that you'll find on the internet.

Thank you for the advice. I appreciate it . Now my main problem is it will probably be a couple weeks before my AI and Hcg gets here. What should i do in the mean time?

[kelkel]

Why would it take that long? Peptide warehouses have AI's in an oral version and you'll receive it in a couple days. Order some in the meantime. You'll survive without hcg until yours arrives.

[Juced_porkchop]

Welcome TR.

You need to take some time and read this sticky thread and fill in the gaps in your plan. Don't sell yourself short, use adex from day one. It's to prevent problems from occurring in the first place, not after the fact. Some guys will never get gyno but it still does not mean the they don't need an AI. The more damaging effects of high estrogen are internal, not external.

And why, after only 9 months of working out do you feel you need to cycle? Why so impatient TR?

agreed.
it upsets me at times when i see people post along the lines "i dont get gyno so i dont use an AI" or "ill use AI if I get gyno"
AI use it much deeper than just gyno IMO
my tips (after reading the link given to you):

run test for 12 to 14 weeks 10 is borderline waste IMO

AI dose: start low and up if needed, id rec 0.25mg dex eod

run HCG the last 4-5 weeks of cycle leading up to BUT NOT into PCT at around 500iu 2x a week OR during your whole cycle, maybe at 250-500iu 2x week if you go that way

I rec clomid and nolva for pct, if you dont do as well with clomid sides then drop dose but id try to keep both in pct to some degree.

I feel you jumped the gun and started before you are ready to in terms of knowledge and physical stats, but atleast you are here asking questions and trying to learn so please keep up with that : )

good luck.

PS; Only expect about 9ml out of every 10ml bottle you have to play safe! many dont and dont account for the fact you lose some with every pin and end up not having enough gear to finish. what i mean is if you are taking 400mg ew and the gear is 200mg/ml and you are taking this for 10 weeks you need more than 2x 10ml bottles of test.... i mean you only need a couple extra ml at most, but at that point might as well make it the normal 3x 10ml bottles and go for 12-13wks till its all done IMO. just a tip in case you haven't thought about that.

[Totalrecall24]

agreed.
it upsets me at times when i see people post along the lines "i dont get gyno so i dont use an AI" or "ill use AI if I get gyno"
AI use it much deeper than just gyno IMO
my tips (after reading the link given to you):

run test for 12 to 14 weeks 10 is borderline waste IMO

AI dose: start low and up if needed, id rec 0.25mg dex eod

run HCG the last 4-5 weeks of cycle leading up to BUT NOT into PCT at around 500iu 2x a week OR during your whole cycle, maybe at 250-500iu 2x week if you go that way

I rec clomid and nolva for pct, if you dont do as well with clomid sides then drop dose but id try to keep both in pct to some degree.

I feel you jumped the gun and started before you are ready to in terms of knowledge and physical stats, but atleast you are here asking questions and trying to learn so please keep up with that : )

good luck.

PS; Only expect about 9ml out of every 10ml bottle you have to play safe! many dont and dont account for the fact you lose some with every pin and end up not having enough gear to finish. what i mean is if you are taking 400mg ew and the gear is 200mg/ml and you are taking this for 10 weeks you need more than 2x 10ml bottles of test.... i mean you only need a couple extra ml at most, but at that point might as well make it the normal 3x 10ml bottles and go for 12-13wks till its all done IMO. just a tip in case you haven't thought about that.

Hey , thanks for the reply. I appreciate advice and it doesnt take much to realize im an amateur at this but im working on it. We all have to start somewhere. Will continue to read other forums and learn

[Totalrecall24]

Day 3: Alright soo.. my first injection wasnt exactly smooth but i did get it done on saturday. for the last couple days my glute has been sore. Kinda feels like i just worked out my right glute really hard, seems like the oil has just been chilling in the same spot for a couple days and im easy when sitting down.

The muscle feels maybe inflamed? you can only see it raised a little when flexing glutes but it is not hot and not at all red. Ive massaged it lightly and put some heat on it and taken a couple hot showers but its pretty much unchanged. Will be keeping an eye on it the next few days to see if is start to go away.

Today i hit shoulders, hit them as good as i always do. Got a nice pump going and did some abs.

Leg day will either be tomorrow or wed. depending on how my schedule goes

[Totalrecall24]

Why would it take that long? Peptide warehouses have AI's in an oral version and you'll receive it in a couple days. Order some in the meantime. You'll survive without hcg until yours arrives.

Honestly, i have no idea where to get AIs that quickly . I looked up peptide warehouses but many require prescription or the AI is only in liquid form.

[Totalrecall24]

Day 4: Used today as a rest day. Tomorrow ile be hitting legs, we will see how my glute feels throughout and after as its still sore from injection Saturday. I feel like my appetite has increase, ive been more hungry then usual and I have been drinking alot more water throughout the day.

Came to the conclusion that due to the needle moving around so much my first injection, and i injected it really quick for the first time as well as the full 400mg in one shot . Being that I have a popped my "virgin" muscle cherry I feel my next injection will go much smoother.

Until tomorrow!

[Back In Black]

Honestly, i have no idea where to get AIs that quickly . I looked up peptide warehouses but many require prescription or the AI is only in liquid form.

Then order liquid.

And split your test dose to 200mg x 2 per week.

[Totalrecall24]

Then order liquid.

And split your test dose to 200mg x 2 per week.

I have some in pill form coming but wont last long. And yes i will be splitting up my pins from now on .

[Totalrecall24]

Day 5: Todays leg workout felt great. I walked in not feeling great about the idea of working out today after having yesterday off but after my sets of squats my adrenaline shot up.

My PIP is just about completely gone and saturday is my next pin which ile be splitting them up to 200mg each pin now to hopefully reduce PIP.

Life outside of the gym has been hectic with work and everything else i have going on so ive been waking up earlier to get in my breakfast and pack for a good lunch/snack until I get home.

Aside from a good workout today havent noticed any chances to body as far water weight or anything you expect with test. My weight is from 150lb starting to 152.6lb today which is probably just water but will continue to monitor it when I get to gym.

Ile be updating my post this saturday with some new pictures and what has taken place with next couple days and pin.

Until next time...

[Jack22]

Nice bro, just started my first cycle too. I chose test prop and the Pip is savage... ur lucky

[Totalrecall24]

Nice bro, just started my first cycle too. I chose test prop and the Pip is savage... ur lucky

Awesome, do you have a forum up to follow? And yah the pip in general was suprising for me. I didnt expect to feel it for days lol, Good luck to you and your cycle!

[Totalrecall24]

Day 8: My second pin was done earlier this morning around 9:30am. It went very well, my hand was much more steady and I was more cautious. After inserting I aspirated then pushed in 400mg of test e in about a 20sec time frame. I put preasure on the area right after and massaged it best i could, a little blood did come out but seeing how I aspirated I must of just went through a small vein. The blood stopped just about immediately and I went through my day, went to the zoo so I was able to walk around and hopefully that spread it out. I injected deeper into the muscle tissue this time and used all of the 1.5 inch needle. Massaging at that depth is a bit tougher so over the next few days ile apply heat to the area and massage best I can. It feels similiar to last injection so I have a feeling the pip will last the same amount of days and of course be a bit uncomfterable to sit down. I originally thought of just splitting up the injection but I feel it doesnt bother me to that point and i dont enjoy pinning so best to do it in just one shot.

Wed. I did legs
Thursday I rested
Friday I worked Chest and triceps really well and had a good pump but nothing out of the ordinary.
Yesterday I weighed in at 154.2 lbs.
I started 7 days ago on saturday and weighed 150lbs. Shortly after my first pin and following the next 4 days ago I drank a LOT of water, i felt consistently thirsty.
My appetite has increased now that I am getting full meals breakfast lunch and dinner.

As far as appearance I look the same. No change in mood/attitude. No sense of well being at least no more then usual.

Gym is open until 7pm tonight so if i can get some school work done in time and have a sitter Ile be doing back and biceps today.

I will be focusing more on getting abs into each workout, i tend to forget about them sometimes.

Until next time! Wish me luck.

[rt4man]

You should really listen to the knowledgeable members that told you to order the liquid AI...Lets hope you don't grow tits while you wait for your pill form. I think spending 50 bucks is better than having tits for the rest of your life. You are cutting corners. Take the Clomid AND the Nolva for PCT. Take the HCG and the AI while on cycle...you do not want to half ass this. It is your body, you could permanently screw yourself up. You need to take all the compounds listed to give your body the best chance at recovering from this. If you do not do things right your balls can shrink, you can grow tits, and you could be on TRT for the rest of your life. The extra money is well worth it.

[Totalrecall24]

You should really listen to the knowledgeable members that told you to order the liquid AI...Lets hope you don't grow tits while you wait for your pill form. I think spending 50 bucks is better than having tits for the rest of your life. You are cutting corners. Take the Clomid AND the Nolva for PCT. Take the HCG and the AI while on cycle...you do not want to half ass this. It is your body, you could permanently screw yourself up. You need to take all the compounds listed to give your body the best chance at recovering from this. If you do not do things right your balls can shrink, you can grow tits, and you could be on TRT for the rest of your life. The extra money is well worth it.

Understood. And will act on the advice.

[Totalrecall24]

Day 10 : The pip for my second pin has been pretty rough, its just an uncomfortable not, its raised a little bit but no redness or anything to suspect anything bad. I was very careful and much better then the first time.

Along with the pip I have been experiences a heat waves, mostly upper body and head have been sweating and getting hot but I have no fever. I have read this is common with test e so im not concerned but its a pain in the ass to have to deal with. I have to wear a suit and tie to work monday thru friday and today it was definitely hot but I got through it noticiably sweating only a little bit. It got worse the further the day got.

I went to the gym for shoulders today and worked them out well. Didnt feel the heat waves at all while working out probably because i was just naturally hot from working out .

My weight is now at 157.2lbs. A big 7.2lb gain from day 1 . Not sure where its all going because it doesnt look like im retaining much water, its not noticeable at least which is good.

Here are some pics as of today .

[Jack22]

Nice weight gain man! Do you think it's from an increase in food or can you feel the test yet? Also the ai will help a lot if your nipples get sore. Mine started to get a little sore right before my scheduled adex dose and now they feel fine

[Totalrecall24]

Nice weight gain man! Do you think it's from an increase in food or can you feel the test yet? Also the ai will help a lot if your nipples get sore. Mine started to get a little sore right before my scheduled adex dose and now they feel fine

I would say the food is playing a very small part because i have never been above 155.5lbs. Nomatter my nutrition and amount of working out. So ide say its the test e already. Ive seen that in some cases test e takes 4-6 weeks to really notice changes. Im suprised to see the gain so quickly so it will be interesting to see how the next 8 weeks plays out. I havent felt any changes from estrogen or anything like that and am taking an AI, so i dont expect any sides and hopefully i dont get any.

[Totalrecall24]

Day 11: I am so happy today because the PIP from my pin saturday is gone and i didnt have any heat. Im going to change my Pins to fridays so that the two days that i have pain and am running hot are while im not working and i can push through the gym easier.

Today im resting tomorrow ile be doing legs!

Back to work on chest on Friday.

[USVet81]

Hey man. Just a few really silly things to hopefully help. I don't throw these out to offend in any way but like you said, you're new to this. When I was reading about your PIP and the soreness and whatnot I couldn't help but think of the possibility of getting an infection if your process for pinning isn't right. In the last year I have given myself a shot in the ass more than 100 times. I've had soreness once. In my case it's not common but maybe that's because I get pharma grade gear... I dunno. If you haven't already make sure you invest in a box of alcohol pads. Each time you pin use a pad to clean the rubber stopper on top of your bottle and a separate pad to clean your ass cheek before you pin. Once I pull my drawing needle out of the bottle I wipe any solution that comes out off again with the first swab before I store it for the next few days. After you switch from your drawing needle to your pinning needle and inject make sure to use the second swab to sterilize the injection site once more. Like I said, only going through this because you mentioned you're new to it and not everybody gets lessons in infection control from their source or friends. After seeing a dudes delt get infected and become septic (and largely be surgically removed as a result) I am careful.

Next thought for Jack22 and just to put it out there. Realize that at day 7 or day 10 or day 15 you're probably not seeing any impact from test e yet. I think the half life of e is about 10.5 days. It will take time to build your syrum levels up. A seven point weight gain in a week can be entirely attributed to liquid and food. Gaining 1 lb of muscle would require 3500 calories over maintenance with none of those going to fat. Ideally I hope for 1.5 to 2 lbs a week of lean gains once everything is rolling. Even then I am battling the calories that go to far vs muscle. You mentioned you saw no change in definition. Again, that's probably because you're weight gain is mostly food and/or water so far. The human body can hold 10-15 lbs of junk in your intestines and colon. Remember the benefit of something like test is really in helping you workout longer so you can put your muscles under stress for a greater period of time. Without increasing resistance and/or workout length gains would be more minimal. Personally I notice improvements regarding recovery between 2-3 weeks but real gains are somewhat slow until after week 4.

I wish you the best with this. Just be patient and make sure you get that AI figured out. Your bodies estrogen level is absolutely climbing whether you see it or not. If you cross that line in your body you'll get big ole puffy nips and start growing boobies. Took my daughter to a water park this summer and saw a few skinny dudes with that situation going on. I knew right away what it was. You don't want that to happen... Surgery is required to remove that breast tissue if it develops. You can't diet away boobs.

Best of luck to you.

[Totalrecall24]

Hey man. Just a few really silly things to hopefully help. I don't throw these out to offend in any way but like you said, you're new to this. When I was reading about your PIP and the soreness and whatnot I couldn't help but think of the possibility of getting an infection if your process for pinning isn't right. In the last year I have given myself a shot in the ass more than 100 times. I've had soreness once. In my case it's not common but maybe that's because I get pharma grade gear... I dunno. If you haven't already make sure you invest in a box of alcohol pads. Each time you pin use a pad to clean the rubber stopper on top of your bottle and a separate pad to clean your ass cheek before you pin. Once I pull my drawing needle out of the bottle I wipe any solution that comes out off again with the first swab before I store it for the next few days. After you switch from your drawing needle to your pinning needle and inject make sure to use the second swab to sterilize the injection site once more. Like I said, only going through this because you mentioned you're new to it and not everybody gets lessons in infection control from their source or friends. After seeing a dudes delt get infected and become septic (and largely be surgically removed as a result) I am careful.

Next thought for Jack22 and just to put it out there. Realize that at day 7 or day 10 or day 15 you're probably not seeing any impact from test e yet. I think the half life of e is about 10.5 days. It will take time to build your syrum levels up. A seven point weight gain in a week can be entirely attributed to liquid and food. Gaining 1 lb of muscle would require 3500 calories over maintenance with none of those going to fat. Ideally I hope for 1.5 to 2 lbs a week of lean gains once everything is rolling. Even then I am battling the calories that go to far vs muscle. You mentioned you saw no change in definition. Again, that's probably because you're weight gain is mostly food and/or water so far. The human body can hold 10-15 lbs of junk in your intestines and colon. Remember the benefit of something like test is really in helping you workout longer so you can put your muscles under stress for a greater period of time. Without increasing resistance and/or workout length gains would be more minimal. Personally I notice improvements regarding recovery between 2-3 weeks but real gains are somewhat slow until after week 4.

I wish you the best with this. Just be patient and make sure you get that AI figured out. Your bodies estrogen level is absolutely climbing whether you see it or not. If you cross that line in your body you'll get big ole puffy nips and start growing boobies. Took my daughter to a water park this summer and saw a few skinny dudes with that situation going on. I knew right away what it was. You don't want that to happen... Surgery is required to remove that breast tissue if it develops. You can't diet away boobs.

Best of luck to you.

Hey USVET81,

Thank you for the post. Every bit of advice is well taken. I have read many different experiences with pip, from no pain to alot of pain. Each person with pain asking the same question "is it possible of infection?" Many of these questions are followed by the same person answering the question themselves over time. Eventually the pain dissipates, and lump or swelling goes away and everything is good to go. Ive realized that everybody asks different to steroids . I am extremely careful with my pins, after the first pin being a little shaky my second pin was perfect, including making sure everything and everywhere is sterile. I have no plans for an infection so am and will be taking every precaution there is to prevent one. I understand how important AI thanks to many peoples input and advice, I am currently taking .25mg eod (this seems like a typical dosage as i learn how my body reacts) I plan on blood tests around week5-6 to see whats all going on. I think the pain from the pip could def be that its not "pharma grade" as far as i know. I dont know if its appropriate to say name of company on these posts but if i can please let me know and I will share.

I dont no how to account for my weight gain if it takes that amount of time to really see the effect from test e. Like i said earlier I have never been over 155.5lbs in my life, nomatter how much i have eaten in the past i have not been able to exceed that weight. Based on that fact i have to contribute some of the credit to test e, maybe it could be placebo? Its very possible. But only time will tell and ile be sure to continue posting progress.

Thank you everyone for your input and advice.

[Back In Black]

Day 11: I am so happy today because the PIP from my pin saturday is gone and i didnt have any heat. Im going to change my Pins to fridays so that the two days that i have pain and am running hot are while im not working and i can push through the gym easier.

Today im resting tomorrow ile be doing legs!

Back to work on chest on Friday.

Again, PIN TWICE A WEEK NOT ONCE.

[rt4man]

And if you pin twice a week it will be less, and it will hurt less. It also makes your levels more stable and is easier on the body. Inject twice a week, once on friday and then again on tuesday. Less PIP.

[Totalrecall24]

And if you pin twice a week it will be less, and it will hurt less. It also makes your levels more stable and is easier on the body. Inject twice a week, once on friday and then again on tuesday. Less PIP.

I was going to start pinning twice but I hate the idea of 2 shots. But your right i need to split it up especially for the stable levels. I will start the split friday and inject again tuesday like you say.

Thanks Back in Black and Rt4man

[Totalrecall24]

Day 18

Weight is at 156.2lbs

Aside from what felt like heat stroke for a few hours yesterday ive been pretty good. '

Havent really felt or seen any noticable changes as of yet.

Im really interested at week 5 to get blood work done, maybe this stuff is bunk but wont find out till then. Not much to report.

[Couchlock]

Day 18

Weight is at 156.2lbs

Aside from what felt like heat stroke for a few hours yesterday ive been pretty good. '

Havent really felt or seen any noticable changes as of yet.

Im really interested at week 5 to get blood work done, maybe this stuff is bunk but wont find out till then. Not much to report.

Oh you won't notice much till at least 4 to 5.

Week 7 and 8 my strength seemed to just about tripple.

Give it time,

Im,interested in what brand or ugl your using, let me know via thread or pm

[Totalrecall24]

Day 29: Current weight is 157lbs. Not to much to report other then i have cut my pins in half. .7 ml of test e 300 on friday and the other .7 on tuesday (today) . This has made a HUGE difference on my bodys negative reaction to the test . I get a little warm on the second day so im expecting thursday to feel hotter then normal but its only for a couple hours then im good as new. This has made a world of difference in my activity level because doing what pin at 400mg test took a toll by the time the second day came around after the pin. I was breaking out terribly in a sweat, the pip was pretty rough and it was a pain. Thank you for the advice about splitting it in to two. i should have listened earlier.

I have felt like my muscles are fuller. I just feel that they are more ballooned out and putting pressure on my skin . Maybe filled with water but ultimately its a good feeling and gets me pumped for the gym. My energy level once in the gym skyrockets and I am able to get out some more sets and reps so ile be gradually moving up in weight at this point.

Looking forward to the rest of the cycle.

Happy to report that there are no sides aside from the hot few hour moments. Hopefully it stays that way.

[Totalrecall24]

Day 42:

I am growing like a weed. No sides, No problems. Just on the roller coaster ride to gains. What do you guys think?

[Totalrecall24]

Oh you won't notice much till at least 4 to 5.

Week 7 and 8 my strength seemed to just about tripple.

Give it time,

Im,interested in what brand or ugl your using, let me know via thread or pm

The gains are finally here. These next 4 weeks should be gravy.

[Couchlock]

The gains are finally here. These next 4 weeks should be gravy.

Yeah man looking great. Lean and cut. With some good size. That's a perfect physique scheme.

I personally don't like the bloated 225 lb look a lot of guys are after.

[redz]

Bloated 225 lol I can't even get that low anymore.